Gaza was not “occupied.” The Israelis left lock, stock and barrel in 2005. Since then, the elected leaders of Hamas have used the land as a launching pad to attack Israel. If the Gazans are poor, blame their leaders. The world has poured in millions to help them and it’s all gone to their tunnels and war machine. “Gaza delenda est.”
The "leaders" of Hamas are crime lords who steal from their people and have offshore bank accounts and ritzy apartments in Dubai while the people live in poverty. The whole situation is tragic, to me. The rest of the Arab world are as complicite, too.
Are you just thinking out loud? Thanks for the insight. What is your source for asserting Gazans are poor? But their leaders, who are merely supposed and therefore not actually Gazan are not poor? I can't remember the word for that particular kind of sophistry. Someone?
If you bothered to look at the link you'd see the source is the US Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis, which maintains stats on all the world economies for the US government.
"You make me laugh" a common affliction among village idiots, who laugh at what they don't understand.
The Romans ousted the Israelites and the Judeans from the Holyland and told them under no uncertain terms "don't come back"! The Palestinians are simply enforcing the will of the Romans.
Wow. There's a lot to this. I will do the shortest meaningful comment I can.
1) "From the river to the sea" means "kill all the Jewish people." Whether Jewish person or Arab person or something else - all have been in the region for milliennia and rightfully lay claim to ground in the region.
1a) I track "One for Israel", a group of Messianic Christians in Israel consisting entirely of Jews, Arabs and others. They are not trying to kill each other. Can anybody take a hint?
2) The war in Ukraine was caused ENTIRELY by the political hacks in the state department who sit with elevated pinkies sipping port and telling each other how eevil Mr. Putin is. Sasha is right about Brandon. Mr. Trump would NEVER have allowed this to happen and the relatives of all those people in Ukraine and Russia who died can blame our elites, the democrat party and Brandon for putting NATO on Mr. Putin's border after we PROMISED not to do that.
Meanwhile, that idiot Blinken is making noises about favoring Ukraine to join NATO. That's like waving a red cloak at Putin. What the hell are they smoking in DC?
Yeah I was disgusted when I heard that. That is blatantly defying Putins wishes and makes me think the west truly does want a war with Russia. Friggin maniacs!
And those political hacks are getting stinking rich off these wars’ slush funds. Look at Pelosi’s and others vast net worth, all due to insider trading and skimming.
For those who wish to support funding Ukraine or Israel - great, do so out of your own personal charity. Please do not coercively tax the rest of us who do not wish to fund foreign wars.
There are still American citizens held as hostages by the Gazans. If we had a president with balls we would bomb that place into the Stone Age until our hostages are returned. And we don’t negotiate with terrorists, unless we want more of them.
“Bomb that place into the Stone Age” is a euphemism for genocide. That makes you a promoter of genocide. Can you Guess what we call people who promote genocide? Begins with an N And has a Z In it.
You are 100% wrong dear and I'm no kid. Furthermore I have never met a good Jew in my 57 years. Second, I think that the Jew claim of of a "Zion" region that they are entitled to by God is just an act and tricky justification. And Palestine?,,,most of them are never going to get out of the dark ages and will always be a war like people.
Yes - the same funding rule should apply to government funding the real genocide - abortion. Should include no government funding for gov proxies as well.
Yeah the idea that it's 'stolen land' is a childish point that people make. It's idiotic. Land has been stolen since time immemorial. To think otherwise is to imagine a world where everyone is sitting around singing kumbaya which is ridiculous. Political boundaries are dictated by power politics, period. If not an actual war then it's done by a recognition of the power of the various factions involved. So the people saying such things against Israel, all they're saying is they wanted someone else to have the land. And they're effectively endorsing myriad attempts to eradicate Israel by their Arab neighbors.
That said, it doesn't mean we have to co-sign every single Israeli action. Israel is such a tricky issue. So many people who I find otherwise very smart seem way off base when it comes to Israel. John Mearsheimer, Glenn Greenwald, Darryl Cooper. To name a few. They may make some cogent points but overall they seem to be misguided on that subject.
When it comes to Ukraine I think we've just been utter fools with NATO expansion. It's just empire building in Eastern Europe. It's an own goal with what has happened; it was foreseeable that Putin would invade. We knew it was a red line. You could argue well who cares about Ukraine, we're just in it for the US, which is highly debatable, but let's just say you want to look at it only from our perspective. Even in that view it's a bad look because this war makes us look like a bad ally to have; we led them into this war, and it has been a tragedy for that country. We've taken foolish decisions against Russia financially that damage our credibility with the global reserve currency. Overall it is hurting us more than it is Russia. Who knows where it will lead but it has been stupid. I agree that Afghanistan was the ultimate impetus, and it would not have happened if Trump were in office.
Yeah it's hard to believe they're actually this stupid. I think in reality they just have an obsessive focus on the West and colonizing it; the non west they could care less about.
Yeah it's just pure self interest. It's only possible because normies are nice enough to put up with endless accusations of racism for shit they had nothing to do with. Nobody alive today should be penalized for slavery or Jim crow. Maybe there's some old Democrat from the south alive who participated. But in reality it's collective punishment and it's pure evil.
All Ukraine needs to do is realize that the USA pays Russia to ferry astronauts to and from the ISS. We were never serious and Ukraine has paid a very high price for frivolity.
Yes, the Russians deduced somewhere along the line that China could put ten million 20-year-old soldiers on the border every year. No weapon system can overcome that.
If Hamas is defeated another Hamas group will form. It’s a religious war and will only in with death to Israel and America. Check out the Quran, the Holy Book of Hamas. Lots of answers there. But it’s all funded by the elites.
do you ever consider the fact that it might be a political war and not some "clash of civilizations" that many paint it as?
For one, I've "checked out" the Quran and it is not inherently violent and anyone who attempts to paint it that way tends, in my experience at least, to either have not read it and ignorantly repeat talking points or they have read it and intentionally cherry pick portions to fit their narrative. The problem with the latter is it could also be done with the Bible (Numbers 31:17–18 comes to mind).
Further, calling it a religious problem implies irrationality and furthers the idea that human actors act essentially randomly or that the entirety of Hamas is incited to act only by bloodthirsty Jew-hatred. The problem with this line of thinking is that human beings tend to act rationally and their intent can usually be discerned by a simple analysis.
We heard the same thing regarding Osama Bin Laden / Al-Qaeda. Every neoconservative out there was quick to tell us "they hate us for our freedom", which for people who see the world the way you do is a perfectly acceptable answer. Luckily, every mainstream media outlet will parrot the narrative with daily affirmations that you are morally correct and there is no further need to question the morality of the inevitable military response. "They're backwards people, we just need to bring the seed of democracy to this land of rapacious savages" has a nice sounding ring to it and you can go on with your daily life knowing our illustrious elites are taking care of the problem. Some people may read Osama Bin Laden's "Letter to America" and find out the real reason they hate us, none of which have to do with our freedom and most of which are directly related to their freedom from US meddling in their land. But that message will never spread because there will always be people like you to smear them as terrorist sympathizers, being funded by Al-Qaeda, and dismiss the message by dismissing them as anti-American.
With Hamas, it's essentially all the same things. Much is made of Hamas's charter and their intent to eliminate all Jews in the reason. Yet nothing is ever made of the revised 2017 Charter:
"Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity."
But, of course, the media and Israel have long been manufacturing consent for war and have such dehumanized Palestinian life that it is very common to hear things like "there is no such thing as Palestinian life". As such, many are programmed to instinctively reject Hamas's revision as inherently dishonest (those tricky Palestinians!) or reject any attempted separation between Zionism and Judaism, which is another often overlooked part of this entire conflict and the political developments regarding antisemitism in the United States. If you conflate two distinct things, hatred towards one morphs into hatred towards the other. Hatred of Zionism is political. Hatred of Judaism is religious.
It is not Just hamas. there are at least six other similar groups fighting there when i last counted. Hamas just happens to be the one Israel Chose to fund, to support. to prop up as the all important political boogeyman.
I am also. I am also against nations that are killing tens of thousands of innocent women and children. Can you join me on that seemingly traditional moral position?
And I am against religious death cult that use millions of innocent civilians as shields over their hunkered down positions whilst holding hostages. Seems a bit immoralish to me.
Then you’d lose the war. Because the enemy wouldn’t think twice about it. Hiroshima, Dresden come to mind. Glad you weren’t in charge for those hard decisions.
While I agree with you on substance about those other wars, I think Libertarian is motivated by actual humanitarianism rather than hatred of Jews. I have had a lot of back and forth with him on this topic.
I am not a leftist. I do not judge people by their stated intentions but the the quality of their arguments and the outcomes.
If Libertarian was motivated by actual humanitarianism, he would not have missed Hamas commitment to genociding EVERY SINGLE JEW in the world.
If Libertarian was motivated by actual humanitarianism, he would not have missed in addition to genocide of Jews, actual goals of Hamas in regards of Palestinian Arabs, which are not different from the goals of Stalin and Mao. While Palestinian Arabs in Gaza suffer, Hamas leaders have been stealing aid and transferring what has not been used for its first goal, genocide of Jews, into their bank accounts:
Haniyeh $5Bln
Marzouk $3Bln
….
Mashaal $5Bln
The list is long. 🙁
If Libertarian was driven by humanitarianism, he would be fighting for the those in destitute and peace, not enrichment of murderous terrorist exploitators of Palestinian Arabs.
Sorry, for seeing REALITY as it is not what “Libertarian” sells to you.
Inventive doesn't convince anyone and it drives away people like me who otherwise agree. For the record, in an earlier thread, I made the exact point you did about the wars elsewhere but without the insults.
It depends. It’s great to have diehard more principles about other peoples conflicts. Until those other people come to rape your wife to death and burn your children alive, and post their videos on the internet bragging about it. How do you expect to have peace with that brand of malevolence? War always devolves into tribalism. Unless you’re planning to die for your principles. The future belongs to the those that show up.
Not that it matters but my world view is the same. War is awful and only great leaders would prevent them. Biden has enabled the war mongers and neocons and world peace loses. Its all tragic, unsettling and exhausting.
Israel is not committing genocide by defending itself. That is absurd. You accuse Israel of exactly what Hamas is actually guilty of -- do you realize that is what "From the river to the sea" means? They want to eliminate Israel and the Jews, wipe them out from the Jordan River to the Med. Sea. That's insane, and that's genocidal.
And I most certainly will unashamedly recount the promises that God has made in His word.
And you’re a fool who lacks common sense and a sense of morality. You’re too densely befuddled to understand how disastrous it’s going to be for Israel to be a global pariah and this will also damage America since we’re the ones who provided them with the 2,000 lb bombs used to turn Gaza into rubble with tens of thousands of Gazans buried in the rubble. This is evil.
So much for not having the hijacking of everything you post becoming about the “Gaza war’.
I tell myself I’m not going to engage, but I find myself calling out lies as I’m quite upset by the anti-Semites here.
The only reason this war is different is because… Israel. Israel is the only country on the planet that has its very existence questioned, and the only country that is held to a different standard. No one cares about what happens to civilians anywhere else and they don’t care about the Palestinians at all, but I digress.
Sasha, I remember you saying that your father was Jewish. In Germany, the Nazis would not care whether you were religious, identified as Jewish or anything else. They would come after you . Back then there was nowhere to go. Now we have Israel. The current antisemitism is so hot that many Jews are leaving European countries and moving to Israel, where they feel safer than they do in Europe. If things continue here the way they’re going, it could get worse for us and Israel is the only place that will take us in. Israel has to exist.
I didn’t care about Israel much my most of my life, but I understand things differently now and I did go there. It’s beautiful and amazing and the history is literally written in stone. People can say whatever they want, but they can’t argue with archaeology. The country is mostly secular. They turned a desert into an oasis, and when they gave Gaza to the Palestinians in 2005, they immediately burned down all the green houses. It could’ve been an oasis. Instead, it’s a killing machine.
I think a trip to Israel is extremely necessary for you. I. Order to make ant criticisms of THE ONLY DEMOCRACY in tbe middle East it is important you bear witness. There are no "gay lgbtq++++++ centers in tbe Arab world that promote transgendrrs. There are no Jews in any of the Arab countries and most importantly Palestine was never a. ARAB NATION. I ask you to name who was the king or Prime Ministor of Palestine? What currency did they have? What artifacts other than menorah and Hebrew tablets have been dug up from the earth? Have the Palestinians created anything gthat is notable or that has benefitted humanity? Where are the Arab nation in taking in refugees during the Rafah cleaning out of HAMAS? The people of Gaza and HAMAS are one of the same. Tbey wear civilian clothing, they have oner 100 " hospitals" for a population under 4 million. Los Angeles has under 20 major hospitals fir a population of over 5 million. These are not medical centers. Tbey are terrorist military centers. The lies about Gaza are so abundant and abhorrent as are tbe numbers of deaths in Gaza. There is no way to distinguish soldiers from human shields. Martyrdom is a gift..they love death. What happens to Israel will happen to us. Look at MichigAn..a stronghold of Anti Amerucan supporters of ISIS AND HAMAS.
The lack of historical research and questioning of tbe sources and sympathy for the devil is terribly tragic.
Go to Israel and then speak. Your opinion ions are based on others opi ions and I. Today's world of propaganda and lies seeing is believing.
I agree but the consequence should not be Israel’s killing of 30,000 innocent civilians, wounding 70,000 and making homeless a million Christians and Muslims. Cuz that’s ethnic cleansing and genocide.
First of all, I'd take Hamas's numbers with a grain of salt.
Second, they admitted that 30,000 is what they called all losses. They didn't distinguish between civilians and military.
Neither did you: You just called all 30,000 "innocent civilians" rather than what's more accurate. "a mix of soldiers and civilians."
Which is inevitable when you do urban fighting. Especially with cowards like Hamas that use the strategy to hide behind women and children, because the casualties of women and children helps their propaganda effort.
13,000 killed, wounded and made homeless, total is acceptable. That would be a 10 to 1 ratio. 1,300 Israeli victims of 7Oct times 10 = 13,000. 10xI=Total Acceptable P where I is Israeli and P is Palestinian. I answered clearly; what is your acceptable number and rationale?
Christians have been leaving the Arab world for decades due to the intense hatred, bigotry and persecution they face there. Muslims in the Arab world are very cruel to Christians there. Christians are forced to leave.
I personally know Christian Arab immigrants in the US (including Coptic Christians) who support Israel's fight against Hamas murderers and terrorists. These people personally suffered due to Muslim violence in their homelands.
We have zero national security interest in Ukraine. Ukraine is as corrupt as they come. Ukraine and Russia have a history that goes back to the 8th century. When the Soviet a Union allowed the reunification of Germany we promised the leaders of the Soviet Union not to expand NATO eastward the words used was not one inch. We have failed to stand by our word and have expanded NATO 1000 miles to the East. Putin has warned many times Ukraine being a part of NATO is not acceptable. We funded and conspired with people in Ukraine to overthrow the government that was democratically elected in 2014. We should never be there we have secret CIA bases in Ukraine we have secret biolabs in Ukraine. None of these should be there. After the start of the war Ukraine and Russia had worked out a peace deal between themselves we interfered and scuttled it. It’s time to stop funding this insane war. It’s time to bring our troops home. Europe needs to grow a pair and prepare to defend themselves if they fear Russia. Putin claims he has no desire to conquer other countries. Have no reason to believe him but again we have zero national security interests in Ukraine. They are not a democracy the president has declared him ruler and suspended elections. He attacks Christian churches there. He jails political rivals.
Ukraine is about as anti-democratic as the Democratic party with its performative "democracy". I wonder if it's a product of Obama admin identity politics at the time. Ukraine has great journalists and freedom loving people, its populist movement could've become a role model for Russia and other countries in the region. Yet, it's also home for pretty unsavory nationalism and divisive racism (Ukrainians are "European" hence superior, Russians are "Asian" hence inferior), toxic towards parts of Ukraine and potential allies in Russia. It expressed desire to join NATO long before the current conflict, more as a status symbol than a necessity, and it become a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the same fashion, Zelensky showing off in front of Congress seems to be more important than peace. Jailing "correct" political rivals is how democracy looks like!
You're all heat and no light. A kind of black heat is what you losertarians seem to specialize in.
The pilgrims didn't want to fight. They wanted to settle peaceably. The Indians wouldn't have it and so it came to blows. The pilgrims had the gonads and they did it with out any help from you useless losertarians.
While Ukraine wasn't the aggressor, NATO definitely was and Ukraine chose to be their agent. A promise was made with German reunification that there would be no more NATO expansion. That was broken repeatedly. The bear got tired of being poked and here we are. The longer perspective of history is that invasions in that area have happened repeatedly. Russia has certainly invaded E. Europe before and after the Bolshevik revolution. On the other hand, every nation in NATO except Iceland has been involved in at least one invasion of Russia. Poland took Moscow twice, came along when Napoleon did and got as far as Kiev and Smolensk as late as 1920. Sweden and the Ottomans were constantly warring with Russia. I think it makes sense to start the clock in 1989-91 when the Soviet empire collapsed and NATO started its expansion.
It's not about promises but literarily losing military positions to NATO, such as access to the Black Sea! Russia rented a port of Sebastopol in Crimea from Ukraine for its military fleet for many years. When Georgia and Ukraine expressed desire to join NATO, Russia attacked first Georgia then annexed Crimea because it was losing access to the Black Sea to NATO. When Biden came to power, he promised to return Crimea to Ukraine. Crimea was vulnerable as wasn't connected by land to Russia, so, the current war gained the strip of land to access Crimea. I don't believe Putin wants the entire Ukraine, leave alone Europe, what for? The situation could've been resolved diplomatically by recognizing Crimea (which doesn't want back to Ukraine, it used to be a part of Russia and was lumped with Ukraine by a Soviet leader fiat) but everybody starts screaming "Crimea is Ukraine", "genocide", "Putin is Hitler", "Trump is Hitler" and forget it.
US would lose at least 200,000,000 people in first 7 days of a nuke war Russia. Entire East and West coast would cease to exist. Sheeple have no idea. Cockroaches would survive though.
All out war for sure and it would get worse with the secondary effects. But the Russians have a different doctrine than us and it would depend on our response to a Russian strike.
Currently reading about it in Calincourt's memoir. But my point was that the Poles came with him. They were generally regarded as the best of his non-French troops.
Polls have been giving a hard time to Russia way before that. And Polish -Lithuanian Kingdom, no matter how short lived, have been one of the most powerful in history
The PLC was the superpower in E. Europe in early modern times. Only real challenge was from Sweden because both countries were ruled by different branches of the Vasa dynasty who each thought they should have the whole thing.
It has echoes in the current Ukraine war and historic anti-Semitism in Ukraine. What is now W. Ukraine was called Ruthenia in those days and it was effectively ruled by absentee and rapacious Polish magnates. They employed Jewish tax and rent collectors which was not appreciated by the peasants. In the way of people everywhere, the peasants blamed the minions rather than the oligarchs. E. Ukraine was Cossack with Turks in the south.
Let me sum this up and cut through the BS. You see this situation differently because you have an affinity for one side, whereas you have an affinity for neither side in the Ukrain-Russia mess, so it's easier to see how you're being manipulated.
And I don't think any if those you mentioned really think the Israelis are going to give the land back, but they keep taking more and more land. Really, how would it go over if Canada suddenly decided to annex New England or Mexico to annex California? I'm guessing you wouldn't be too keen.
In my opinion, too bad, so sad. The Palestinians have only themselves to blame. They elect Hamas to run their country. 50 to 70 years in the making the only reason that there is not peace is because the Palestinians (the government they elect) will not allow it. Their goal is the eradication of the Jews forever. Once that goal is over, there will be “peace.” All the Jews dead is what Palestine and most of the Arab world consider “peace.” The two part solution—hilarious. It is not the Jews, it is not the Israelis that block the solution. It is the Palestinians, it is the Muslims. Get over yourself. Wake the F up.
I'll remember that when the Arabs go after Israel. Too bad, the Israelis did it to themselves. Not my problem.
And I notice that no Muslims are after Jews in any other part of the world except Israel. I wonder why that is. Could it be that it has something to do with a disagreement about a site that Zionist Jews have decided they need control of but is holy to three different religions? You have no understanding of the religious importance of the region nor its full history.
Would you like to know what true anti-semitism is? Deciding that Jews are a monolithic group and that they all are genocidal maniacs living in the Levant rather than the diverse group they are living all over the world, many of them very anti-Zionist.
Are you deaf, dumb and blind to the growing and dangerous Jew hatred brewing in Minneapolis, Detroit, etc? Muslims are after Jews all day bee the world. Sounds like you approve.
Given that I see so much disingenuous conflation of actual anti-semitism (I love it how you all now using "Jew hatred" instead of "anti-semitism" because you've beat that word to death) and simply either disagreeing with funding Israel or disagreeing with what Israel is doing or supporting freedom for Palestinians (none of which is actual anti-semitism), until I see some actual numbers that don't conflate all that under the label of "Jew hatred," I think you're full of s--t.
All of Israel is the size of New Jersey. Meanwhile Arab Muslims control the nearly entirety of the Middle East and North Africa. So who is doing the annexation?
I have no ties to Israel or am Jewish and I’m sorry but when they were attacked years ago they kindly gave back some land to make peace but time and time again are attacked. Hamas doesn’t want peace. Muslims want to destroy Israel and America. You need to read up. In fact you could say all of the land in the Middle East was Colonized by Muslims. Look how many other religions live in the ME besides Islam, not many
That might seem like a non sequitur, but think about the implications of that for the "story" you've been told. Did Muslims colonize and conquer? Yup, but so did Christians. They took over whole continents, in the Americas and Australia, and they tried very hard to colonize Asia and Africa, but found much more resistance. And the number of people they killed and enslaved along the way makes what the Muslims did child's play. But yet we don't run around mistrusting the motive of modern Christians.
As for Hamas not wanting peace? Perhaps. But neither does Israel. They want land and an excuse to kill its current residents. That would be why they were funding Hamas.
“ As for Hamas not wanting peace? Perhaps. But neither does Israel. ”
One obtuse statement after another. First obviously FALSE claim that Israel would never give land back, even though Israel gave land back.
Now this. Israel MADE Peace with Egypt and Jordan AND gave land back and offered more, which both declined. I wonder why? ( Not really, I know why, just want Jew-haters s continue exhibiting their stupidity)
Hamas? Broke one ceasefire after another. Why would not Hamas break ceasefire if it has in writing in its Charter that its goal not only destroy Israel, but exterminate EVERY last Jew all over the world.
If you had an ounce of integrity, you’d admit your Jew-hate.
Isreal doesn't want peace. They have never made any meaningful attempts to deal in good faith with the Palestinians. And to my knowledge, Israel has never given land *back* to the Palestinians. They're grabbing it even now. Egypt is a country, not an occupied people living within what Israel considers its larger borders. Trust me, Israel didn't want to do give the land back to Egypt. Had it been up to them, they would have kept the land. Nixon saved their behinds in the 1967 War and I suspect that was the price of American help.
“Isreal doesn't want peace. They have never made any meaningful attempts to deal in good faith with the Palestinians.”
Another obtuse, empty statement worthy of a Jew-hater.
Meaningful attempts? Like Jordan in 1970? Remember that meaningful attempt killing tens of thousands and kicking out hundred of thousands of Palestinian terrorists?
Or like Lebanon in 1986? Remember that meaningful attempt killing tens of thousands and kicking out hundred of thousands of Palestinian terrorists?
Or like Kuwait in 1991? Remember that meaningful attempt kicking out ALL 440,000 of Palestinian Arabs?
Don’t remember? I thought so. Jew-hater’s memory is very specific.
Now, when Hamas broke the ceasefire for the n-th time, Israel is making the most serious peace offer ever, just like Muslim countries have done before it.
“ Nixon saved their behinds in the 1967 War and I suspect that was the price of American help.”
🤣 Nixon saved Israel’s behind in 1967 war? The war which lasted the whole 6(!!) days and ended with Israel by the capitals of each of the attackers’ capitals? 🤣🤡
Nixon was NOT even the President in 1967. For ignorant Jew-haters facts do not matter.🤡
“ And to my knowledge, Israel has never given land *back* to the Palestinians.”
Your kniwledge is lacking. Israel made offers of land+ time-and-time again. The latest attempts, Israel offered in 2000 and 2008 different variations of 97% of what Terrorist Palestinian Arabs have been asking for. Every time offers have been met with wars. 🤡🤡🤡
Wars what terrorist know. Wars what terrorist understand. Wars what terrorist do. Wars what terrorist die from. Hamas turn has come.
🤡🤡 Name Muslim countries which do not consider ORDINARY Palestinian Arabs as the second class and offer as much rights and as high standard of living as Israel offers its ORDINARY Palestinian Arabs.
What a sorry, ignorant, Jew-hating clown you are.
Why don’t you go to Gaza to defend your favorite murderous people? 🤡🫶🏻🕊
Seriously, you sound more like a typical leftist with every sentence you write. You accused Sasha is being biased based on her identity. And now you challenge me to prove she’s not biased?
Prove to me that it is not her bias driving her conclusions. Unless you're willing to admit right off the bat that it is her bias, in which case, I'm fine. Because that's exactly what I said.
I don’t know why you think you can issue demands that other people must follow. It doesn’t make you look smart, it just makes you seem hysterical.
You have already decided your views are completely correct and incontestable. You’ve made that clear. So now you can tell yourself that nobody was able to counter your brilliant points. Have at it; it’s what you were going to do anyway.
Libertarian, the Substack app on my old iPhone is hurting my thumb trying to select so I can copy and paste.
I would just refer you back to the opening paragraph, talking about “cutting through the BS” to declare that Sasha has an affinity for one side because of her background.
Precisely; if a nation killed 33,000 Jews, wounded another 70,000 Jews and made homeless a million more Jews; every single journalist in America would scream it was genocide. But they don’t simply because they define genocide as something Israel is incapable of and only the lives of Jews are of value. Israeli genocide of Palestinian Christians and Muslims don’t matter at all.
Have you done a count on how many people have been killed by Christian crusades or even the American "interventions"?
And I find it funny how you lump all Muslims together and put them all under Hamas but get upset that one particular group of Muslims (Hamas) does the same thing to Jews. You really need to decide what your principles are.
And I have no hatred for Jews. I'm just fine with Jews. Homicidal maniacs hiding behind religion are a completely different story.
On the other hand, maybe you should just have the integrity to admit that you see Muslims as vermin.
One would hope that New England would not randomly fire rockets into Canada, nor would they do cross border raids indiscriminately killing Canadians. If they did, It would not surprise me if Canada at some point did invade them. As to Mexico, we already have a long standing cross border war going on between the USA and the Mexican government. There is no doubt Mexico would do it if they could. They say they want to all the time.
Israel has taken more land ONLY when attacked in wars.
As a matter of fact it gave up land and even offered more, - like Gaza back to Egypt, which Egypt refused, -like West Bank to Jordan, which Jordan refused. I wonder why? -, FOR PEACE.
There was peace with both countries since.
Tens of thousands of Terrorist Palestinian Arabs have been killed and hundreds of thousands kicked out of Jordan in 1970. Genocide? Neah. No Jews, No problem!
Tens of thousands of Terrorist Palestinian Arabs have been killed and hundreds of thousands kicked out of Lebanon in 1986. Genocide? Neah. No Jews, No problem!
All 440,000 Palestinian Arabs have been kicked out of Kuwait in 1991. Genocide? Neah. No Jews, No problem!
It’s only when Jews fight for their lives against the enemy commuted in writing in its Charter to exterminating EVERY Jew not only in Israel, but also all over the world when Jew-haters and their useful idiots come out of woodwork with all their might.
“More than one in four Indians live in poverty, the highest rate of any racial group in the United States.”
Why is this? The article you link to says this: "Poverty is not an Indigenous trait. Rather, tribal economies enabled their citizens to thrive for thousands of years. Tribal economies can thrive again. The federal government simply needs to start treating tribes like the sovereigns they are and always have been."
That doesn't ring true for me. Indian casinos, for example, rake in millions of dollars a year, if not in a month. Where is all the money going? Something doesn't add up.
There was an old quote I recently read that said basically that Indian poverty is what you get when you let the US government completely control your life.
Gaza was not “occupied.” The Israelis left lock, stock and barrel in 2005. Since then, the elected leaders of Hamas have used the land as a launching pad to attack Israel. If the Gazans are poor, blame their leaders. The world has poured in millions to help them and it’s all gone to their tunnels and war machine. “Gaza delenda est.”
The "leaders" of Hamas are crime lords who steal from their people and have offshore bank accounts and ritzy apartments in Dubai while the people live in poverty. The whole situation is tragic, to me. The rest of the Arab world are as complicite, too.
Ditto Biden and U.S. government. Crime lords all. As far as the eye can see. Which side are on, sucker.
Gazans are poor, but not their supposed leaders. Sure, there is support among the Gazans, but they did not launch the war out of poverty.
Actually Palestinian citizens participated in Oct 7th lots of video footage of it too.
100 experts in not ever being in the CIA signed a letter certifying Oct 7th was a CIA OP.
Could you provide that letter, please?
Thanks!
So you make fake claims?
I had this nagging feeling. 🤡
Are you just thinking out loud? Thanks for the insight. What is your source for asserting Gazans are poor? But their leaders, who are merely supposed and therefore not actually Gazan are not poor? I can't remember the word for that particular kind of sophistry. Someone?
"What is your source for asserting Gazans are poor? "
GDP/capita in Gaza and West Bank combined is under $4,000. Compared to $60,000 for Canada; that's poor
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NYGDPPCAPCDPSE
You're source!!!!!???? For example, you're my source but what is your source? GOOGLE? You make me laugh.
If you bothered to look at the link you'd see the source is the US Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis, which maintains stats on all the world economies for the US government.
"You make me laugh" a common affliction among village idiots, who laugh at what they don't understand.
The Romans ousted the Israelites and the Judeans from the Holyland and told them under no uncertain terms "don't come back"! The Palestinians are simply enforcing the will of the Romans.
Wow. There's a lot to this. I will do the shortest meaningful comment I can.
1) "From the river to the sea" means "kill all the Jewish people." Whether Jewish person or Arab person or something else - all have been in the region for milliennia and rightfully lay claim to ground in the region.
1a) I track "One for Israel", a group of Messianic Christians in Israel consisting entirely of Jews, Arabs and others. They are not trying to kill each other. Can anybody take a hint?
2) The war in Ukraine was caused ENTIRELY by the political hacks in the state department who sit with elevated pinkies sipping port and telling each other how eevil Mr. Putin is. Sasha is right about Brandon. Mr. Trump would NEVER have allowed this to happen and the relatives of all those people in Ukraine and Russia who died can blame our elites, the democrat party and Brandon for putting NATO on Mr. Putin's border after we PROMISED not to do that.
And "they" complain about MAGA voters. sheesh.
Meanwhile, that idiot Blinken is making noises about favoring Ukraine to join NATO. That's like waving a red cloak at Putin. What the hell are they smoking in DC?
If Hunter is their shining example of good citizenship, most likely it's crack.
They are trying to start a war with him, but he is very cautious, as if sensing that.
Either they are trying to start a war to hide something or he is in their way of on global government for Earth.
Not only making noises, I think Blinken brought it to NATO as the US vote.
Yeah I was disgusted when I heard that. That is blatantly defying Putins wishes and makes me think the west truly does want a war with Russia. Friggin maniacs!
And those political hacks are getting stinking rich off these wars’ slush funds. Look at Pelosi’s and others vast net worth, all due to insider trading and skimming.
For those who wish to support funding Ukraine or Israel - great, do so out of your own personal charity. Please do not coercively tax the rest of us who do not wish to fund foreign wars.
There are still American citizens held as hostages by the Gazans. If we had a president with balls we would bomb that place into the Stone Age until our hostages are returned. And we don’t negotiate with terrorists, unless we want more of them.
We never even hear their names!
“Bomb that place into the Stone Age” is a euphemism for genocide. That makes you a promoter of genocide. Can you Guess what we call people who promote genocide? Begins with an N And has a Z In it.
And you see no irony in your logic.
After Oct 7 atrocities, genocide is starting to sound pretty good.
This is how bombing into the Stone Age was done against Nazi Germany; end result was 79 years of peace.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_War_II#Second_RAF_raid_27/28_July
Some Libertarian you are.
And yet I have no doubt you really are a fancy Nancy Zionist in favor of genocide.
You are 100% wrong dear and I'm no kid. Furthermore I have never met a good Jew in my 57 years. Second, I think that the Jew claim of of a "Zion" region that they are entitled to by God is just an act and tricky justification. And Palestine?,,,most of them are never going to get out of the dark ages and will always be a war like people.
Yes - the same funding rule should apply to government funding the real genocide - abortion. Should include no government funding for gov proxies as well.
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Quoting the great Scott Adams, "I'm on the side that doesn't want to kill me next".
That’s how Hitler got Allie’s too.
That is how everyone got allies.
Yeah the idea that it's 'stolen land' is a childish point that people make. It's idiotic. Land has been stolen since time immemorial. To think otherwise is to imagine a world where everyone is sitting around singing kumbaya which is ridiculous. Political boundaries are dictated by power politics, period. If not an actual war then it's done by a recognition of the power of the various factions involved. So the people saying such things against Israel, all they're saying is they wanted someone else to have the land. And they're effectively endorsing myriad attempts to eradicate Israel by their Arab neighbors.
That said, it doesn't mean we have to co-sign every single Israeli action. Israel is such a tricky issue. So many people who I find otherwise very smart seem way off base when it comes to Israel. John Mearsheimer, Glenn Greenwald, Darryl Cooper. To name a few. They may make some cogent points but overall they seem to be misguided on that subject.
When it comes to Ukraine I think we've just been utter fools with NATO expansion. It's just empire building in Eastern Europe. It's an own goal with what has happened; it was foreseeable that Putin would invade. We knew it was a red line. You could argue well who cares about Ukraine, we're just in it for the US, which is highly debatable, but let's just say you want to look at it only from our perspective. Even in that view it's a bad look because this war makes us look like a bad ally to have; we led them into this war, and it has been a tragedy for that country. We've taken foolish decisions against Russia financially that damage our credibility with the global reserve currency. Overall it is hurting us more than it is Russia. Who knows where it will lead but it has been stupid. I agree that Afghanistan was the ultimate impetus, and it would not have happened if Trump were in office.
Speaking of “stolen lands” how about the Muslims conquests and Ottoman Empire?
All of history has been one giant shifting of nations over nations from the beginning.
Yeah it's hard to believe they're actually this stupid. I think in reality they just have an obsessive focus on the West and colonizing it; the non west they could care less about.
Sacking it is more like it, then turning into another unlivable hellhole.
Yeah it's just pure self interest. It's only possible because normies are nice enough to put up with endless accusations of racism for shit they had nothing to do with. Nobody alive today should be penalized for slavery or Jim crow. Maybe there's some old Democrat from the south alive who participated. But in reality it's collective punishment and it's pure evil.
All Ukraine needs to do is realize that the USA pays Russia to ferry astronauts to and from the ISS. We were never serious and Ukraine has paid a very high price for frivolity.
"The winner is the one who outlives, outlasts, and outplays the others. " You forgot "out-reproduces."
Yes, the Russians deduced somewhere along the line that China could put ten million 20-year-old soldiers on the border every year. No weapon system can overcome that.
I know for a fact nukes overcome that in less than a day. Btw WWI killed millions and that was with technology more than 100 years old now.
If Hamas is defeated another Hamas group will form. It’s a religious war and will only in with death to Israel and America. Check out the Quran, the Holy Book of Hamas. Lots of answers there. But it’s all funded by the elites.
do you ever consider the fact that it might be a political war and not some "clash of civilizations" that many paint it as?
For one, I've "checked out" the Quran and it is not inherently violent and anyone who attempts to paint it that way tends, in my experience at least, to either have not read it and ignorantly repeat talking points or they have read it and intentionally cherry pick portions to fit their narrative. The problem with the latter is it could also be done with the Bible (Numbers 31:17–18 comes to mind).
Further, calling it a religious problem implies irrationality and furthers the idea that human actors act essentially randomly or that the entirety of Hamas is incited to act only by bloodthirsty Jew-hatred. The problem with this line of thinking is that human beings tend to act rationally and their intent can usually be discerned by a simple analysis.
We heard the same thing regarding Osama Bin Laden / Al-Qaeda. Every neoconservative out there was quick to tell us "they hate us for our freedom", which for people who see the world the way you do is a perfectly acceptable answer. Luckily, every mainstream media outlet will parrot the narrative with daily affirmations that you are morally correct and there is no further need to question the morality of the inevitable military response. "They're backwards people, we just need to bring the seed of democracy to this land of rapacious savages" has a nice sounding ring to it and you can go on with your daily life knowing our illustrious elites are taking care of the problem. Some people may read Osama Bin Laden's "Letter to America" and find out the real reason they hate us, none of which have to do with our freedom and most of which are directly related to their freedom from US meddling in their land. But that message will never spread because there will always be people like you to smear them as terrorist sympathizers, being funded by Al-Qaeda, and dismiss the message by dismissing them as anti-American.
With Hamas, it's essentially all the same things. Much is made of Hamas's charter and their intent to eliminate all Jews in the reason. Yet nothing is ever made of the revised 2017 Charter:
"Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity."
But, of course, the media and Israel have long been manufacturing consent for war and have such dehumanized Palestinian life that it is very common to hear things like "there is no such thing as Palestinian life". As such, many are programmed to instinctively reject Hamas's revision as inherently dishonest (those tricky Palestinians!) or reject any attempted separation between Zionism and Judaism, which is another often overlooked part of this entire conflict and the political developments regarding antisemitism in the United States. If you conflate two distinct things, hatred towards one morphs into hatred towards the other. Hatred of Zionism is political. Hatred of Judaism is religious.
I converted to Islam back in the 80s. There are none so blind as those who cannot see.
It is not Just hamas. there are at least six other similar groups fighting there when i last counted. Hamas just happens to be the one Israel Chose to fund, to support. to prop up as the all important political boogeyman.
Could be right. Another never ending war. But Islam never stops. It’s their right.
Only with forced pacification will the wars in the middle east end.
https://open.substack.com/pub/edwin797/p/why-islam-will-likely-win-the-forever?r=fudlq&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
Good read. Eventually the west wakes up. Better to keep Islam in their utopian origin countries.
I am against people that chant “death to America”. And also commies.
I am also. I am also against nations that are killing tens of thousands of innocent women and children. Can you join me on that seemingly traditional moral position?
And I am against religious death cult that use millions of innocent civilians as shields over their hunkered down positions whilst holding hostages. Seems a bit immoralish to me.
I’m against that too but I sure wouldn’t kill and wound 100,000 women and children because of it.
Even Hamas does not make this high claim, not even half … not even quarter.
It takes an alt-Jew-hater to lie this bad. 🙁🤷♂️🕊
Then you’d lose the war. Because the enemy wouldn’t think twice about it. Hiroshima, Dresden come to mind. Glad you weren’t in charge for those hard decisions.
So you are against USA and allied troops for killing hundreds of thousands if not millions of Germans?
So you are against USA for killing hundreds of thousands if not millions of North Koreans?
So you are against USA for killing millions Vietnamese?
So you are against USA and allied troops for killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis?
So you are against USA and allied troops for killing 50,000 Afghani civilians?
I am certain you are also against:
5.5M killed in Congo: 🥱
500K killed in Syria 🥱
500K killed in Sudan 🥱
400K killed in Yemen: 🥱
300K killed in Iraq: 🥱
250K killed in Afghanistan:🥱
30K killed in Gaza: GENOCIDE!!!
Now, do provide links where you protested all the above please.
No Jews, no news. You care about Gaza only because of your Jew-hate.
While I agree with you on substance about those other wars, I think Libertarian is motivated by actual humanitarianism rather than hatred of Jews. I have had a lot of back and forth with him on this topic.
I am not a leftist. I do not judge people by their stated intentions but the the quality of their arguments and the outcomes.
If Libertarian was motivated by actual humanitarianism, he would not have missed Hamas commitment to genociding EVERY SINGLE JEW in the world.
If Libertarian was motivated by actual humanitarianism, he would not have missed in addition to genocide of Jews, actual goals of Hamas in regards of Palestinian Arabs, which are not different from the goals of Stalin and Mao. While Palestinian Arabs in Gaza suffer, Hamas leaders have been stealing aid and transferring what has not been used for its first goal, genocide of Jews, into their bank accounts:
Haniyeh $5Bln
Marzouk $3Bln
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Mashaal $5Bln
The list is long. 🙁
If Libertarian was driven by humanitarianism, he would be fighting for the those in destitute and peace, not enrichment of murderous terrorist exploitators of Palestinian Arabs.
Sorry, for seeing REALITY as it is not what “Libertarian” sells to you.
Inventive doesn't convince anyone and it drives away people like me who otherwise agree. For the record, in an earlier thread, I made the exact point you did about the wars elsewhere but without the insults.
Inventive? Insults? Could you point to what you have in mind in my response to your comment, please?
It depends. It’s great to have diehard more principles about other peoples conflicts. Until those other people come to rape your wife to death and burn your children alive, and post their videos on the internet bragging about it. How do you expect to have peace with that brand of malevolence? War always devolves into tribalism. Unless you’re planning to die for your principles. The future belongs to the those that show up.
Not that it matters but my world view is the same. War is awful and only great leaders would prevent them. Biden has enabled the war mongers and neocons and world peace loses. Its all tragic, unsettling and exhausting.
To quote Asimov in his 'Foundation' trilogy "War is the last refuge of the incompetent." That's a core belief for me.
It does matter; we need more people protesting all the wars we fund and foment.
…” only great leaders would prevent them”, or see them to their successful conclusion.
Israel is not committing genocide by defending itself. That is absurd. You accuse Israel of exactly what Hamas is actually guilty of -- do you realize that is what "From the river to the sea" means? They want to eliminate Israel and the Jews, wipe them out from the Jordan River to the Med. Sea. That's insane, and that's genocidal.
And I most certainly will unashamedly recount the promises that God has made in His word.
Israel would be committing genocide if they let their enemies kill them.
Justifying genocide by calling it self-defense is insane. Shame on you.
You're a fool. Its life and death. Its war. No room for your lame feelings. You either live or you die.
And you’re a fool who lacks common sense and a sense of morality. You’re too densely befuddled to understand how disastrous it’s going to be for Israel to be a global pariah and this will also damage America since we’re the ones who provided them with the 2,000 lb bombs used to turn Gaza into rubble with tens of thousands of Gazans buried in the rubble. This is evil.
So much for not having the hijacking of everything you post becoming about the “Gaza war’.
I tell myself I’m not going to engage, but I find myself calling out lies as I’m quite upset by the anti-Semites here.
The only reason this war is different is because… Israel. Israel is the only country on the planet that has its very existence questioned, and the only country that is held to a different standard. No one cares about what happens to civilians anywhere else and they don’t care about the Palestinians at all, but I digress.
Sasha, I remember you saying that your father was Jewish. In Germany, the Nazis would not care whether you were religious, identified as Jewish or anything else. They would come after you . Back then there was nowhere to go. Now we have Israel. The current antisemitism is so hot that many Jews are leaving European countries and moving to Israel, where they feel safer than they do in Europe. If things continue here the way they’re going, it could get worse for us and Israel is the only place that will take us in. Israel has to exist.
I didn’t care about Israel much my most of my life, but I understand things differently now and I did go there. It’s beautiful and amazing and the history is literally written in stone. People can say whatever they want, but they can’t argue with archaeology. The country is mostly secular. They turned a desert into an oasis, and when they gave Gaza to the Palestinians in 2005, they immediately burned down all the green houses. It could’ve been an oasis. Instead, it’s a killing machine.
One correction, Chana. Not anti-Semites, because Arabs are also Semites.
Jew-haters. Preciseness is important 💪🫶🏻🕊
True.
I think a trip to Israel is extremely necessary for you. I. Order to make ant criticisms of THE ONLY DEMOCRACY in tbe middle East it is important you bear witness. There are no "gay lgbtq++++++ centers in tbe Arab world that promote transgendrrs. There are no Jews in any of the Arab countries and most importantly Palestine was never a. ARAB NATION. I ask you to name who was the king or Prime Ministor of Palestine? What currency did they have? What artifacts other than menorah and Hebrew tablets have been dug up from the earth? Have the Palestinians created anything gthat is notable or that has benefitted humanity? Where are the Arab nation in taking in refugees during the Rafah cleaning out of HAMAS? The people of Gaza and HAMAS are one of the same. Tbey wear civilian clothing, they have oner 100 " hospitals" for a population under 4 million. Los Angeles has under 20 major hospitals fir a population of over 5 million. These are not medical centers. Tbey are terrorist military centers. The lies about Gaza are so abundant and abhorrent as are tbe numbers of deaths in Gaza. There is no way to distinguish soldiers from human shields. Martyrdom is a gift..they love death. What happens to Israel will happen to us. Look at MichigAn..a stronghold of Anti Amerucan supporters of ISIS AND HAMAS.
The lack of historical research and questioning of tbe sources and sympathy for the devil is terribly tragic.
Go to Israel and then speak. Your opinion ions are based on others opi ions and I. Today's world of propaganda and lies seeing is believing.
Being a democracy doesn’t give Israel, or any other nation, to kill tens of thousands of Christian and Muslim women and children.
Neither do they have license to murder, kidnap, and rape 1200 Jews without consequence.
I agree but the consequence should not be Israel’s killing of 30,000 innocent civilians, wounding 70,000 and making homeless a million Christians and Muslims. Cuz that’s ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Yeah, except you and Hamas are full of shit.
First of all, I'd take Hamas's numbers with a grain of salt.
Second, they admitted that 30,000 is what they called all losses. They didn't distinguish between civilians and military.
Neither did you: You just called all 30,000 "innocent civilians" rather than what's more accurate. "a mix of soldiers and civilians."
Which is inevitable when you do urban fighting. Especially with cowards like Hamas that use the strategy to hide behind women and children, because the casualties of women and children helps their propaganda effort.
Seems to work on you.
No need to get bitchy with personal attacks, dear.
When you treat someone like stupid, lying, making sh!t up, why are you getting all so sensitive when out in your Jew-hating place sweetly?
How many are acceptable?
13,000 killed, wounded and made homeless, total is acceptable. That would be a 10 to 1 ratio. 1,300 Israeli victims of 7Oct times 10 = 13,000. 10xI=Total Acceptable P where I is Israeli and P is Palestinian. I answered clearly; what is your acceptable number and rationale?
As many as it takes. That is up to those leading the Palestinians. Maybe just all of them.
Oh, I LOVE this obtuse argument: “ I agree but the consequence should not be Israel’s killing of 30,000 innocent civilians, wounding 70,000”
First, even Hamas does NOT make such a false statement on the numbers of killed and wounded
Second, do enlighten us rubes, what should be the consequence? 🤡🤡🤡
Christians have been leaving the Arab world for decades due to the intense hatred, bigotry and persecution they face there. Muslims in the Arab world are very cruel to Christians there. Christians are forced to leave.
I personally know Christian Arab immigrants in the US (including Coptic Christians) who support Israel's fight against Hamas murderers and terrorists. These people personally suffered due to Muslim violence in their homelands.
We have zero national security interest in Ukraine. Ukraine is as corrupt as they come. Ukraine and Russia have a history that goes back to the 8th century. When the Soviet a Union allowed the reunification of Germany we promised the leaders of the Soviet Union not to expand NATO eastward the words used was not one inch. We have failed to stand by our word and have expanded NATO 1000 miles to the East. Putin has warned many times Ukraine being a part of NATO is not acceptable. We funded and conspired with people in Ukraine to overthrow the government that was democratically elected in 2014. We should never be there we have secret CIA bases in Ukraine we have secret biolabs in Ukraine. None of these should be there. After the start of the war Ukraine and Russia had worked out a peace deal between themselves we interfered and scuttled it. It’s time to stop funding this insane war. It’s time to bring our troops home. Europe needs to grow a pair and prepare to defend themselves if they fear Russia. Putin claims he has no desire to conquer other countries. Have no reason to believe him but again we have zero national security interests in Ukraine. They are not a democracy the president has declared him ruler and suspended elections. He attacks Christian churches there. He jails political rivals.
Ukraine is about as anti-democratic as the Democratic party with its performative "democracy". I wonder if it's a product of Obama admin identity politics at the time. Ukraine has great journalists and freedom loving people, its populist movement could've become a role model for Russia and other countries in the region. Yet, it's also home for pretty unsavory nationalism and divisive racism (Ukrainians are "European" hence superior, Russians are "Asian" hence inferior), toxic towards parts of Ukraine and potential allies in Russia. It expressed desire to join NATO long before the current conflict, more as a status symbol than a necessity, and it become a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the same fashion, Zelensky showing off in front of Congress seems to be more important than peace. Jailing "correct" political rivals is how democracy looks like!
Agree. Let those who want to fight in Ukraine have the balls to go over and do it themselves.
You're all heat and no light. A kind of black heat is what you losertarians seem to specialize in.
The pilgrims didn't want to fight. They wanted to settle peaceably. The Indians wouldn't have it and so it came to blows. The pilgrims had the gonads and they did it with out any help from you useless losertarians.
You parrot the talking points echoing in your skull. It's not very enlightening.
“ We have zero national security interest in Ukraine. Ukraine is as corrupt as they come.”
Yea, but our “honorable” swampy elites want to get a bite at a corrupt porky dish
While Ukraine wasn't the aggressor, NATO definitely was and Ukraine chose to be their agent. A promise was made with German reunification that there would be no more NATO expansion. That was broken repeatedly. The bear got tired of being poked and here we are. The longer perspective of history is that invasions in that area have happened repeatedly. Russia has certainly invaded E. Europe before and after the Bolshevik revolution. On the other hand, every nation in NATO except Iceland has been involved in at least one invasion of Russia. Poland took Moscow twice, came along when Napoleon did and got as far as Kiev and Smolensk as late as 1920. Sweden and the Ottomans were constantly warring with Russia. I think it makes sense to start the clock in 1989-91 when the Soviet empire collapsed and NATO started its expansion.
It's not about promises but literarily losing military positions to NATO, such as access to the Black Sea! Russia rented a port of Sebastopol in Crimea from Ukraine for its military fleet for many years. When Georgia and Ukraine expressed desire to join NATO, Russia attacked first Georgia then annexed Crimea because it was losing access to the Black Sea to NATO. When Biden came to power, he promised to return Crimea to Ukraine. Crimea was vulnerable as wasn't connected by land to Russia, so, the current war gained the strip of land to access Crimea. I don't believe Putin wants the entire Ukraine, leave alone Europe, what for? The situation could've been resolved diplomatically by recognizing Crimea (which doesn't want back to Ukraine, it used to be a part of Russia and was lumped with Ukraine by a Soviet leader fiat) but everybody starts screaming "Crimea is Ukraine", "genocide", "Putin is Hitler", "Trump is Hitler" and forget it.
Julia, I appreciate the unique, detailed and clear insights you bring to the conversation.
I am terrified of Blanken’s recent threat that the Ukraine will join NATO.
Reasonable possibility that Russia will engage in nuclear preemption. Then what? Thinking one move ahead is not a winning strategy.
US would lose at least 200,000,000 people in first 7 days of a nuke war Russia. Entire East and West coast would cease to exist. Sheeple have no idea. Cockroaches would survive though.
All out war for sure and it would get worse with the secondary effects. But the Russians have a different doctrine than us and it would depend on our response to a Russian strike.
Dr Strangeglove still relevant today.
Same here. It’s unforgivable that he would say that. The Deep State absolutely must be removed from power.
Napoleon got all the way to Moscow. You can read about it in the Lermintov’s Borodino.
Currently reading about it in Calincourt's memoir. But my point was that the Poles came with him. They were generally regarded as the best of his non-French troops.
I have no idea about this side of 1812 war.
Polls have been giving a hard time to Russia way before that. And Polish -Lithuanian Kingdom, no matter how short lived, have been one of the most powerful in history
The PLC was the superpower in E. Europe in early modern times. Only real challenge was from Sweden because both countries were ruled by different branches of the Vasa dynasty who each thought they should have the whole thing.
It has echoes in the current Ukraine war and historic anti-Semitism in Ukraine. What is now W. Ukraine was called Ruthenia in those days and it was effectively ruled by absentee and rapacious Polish magnates. They employed Jewish tax and rent collectors which was not appreciated by the peasants. In the way of people everywhere, the peasants blamed the minions rather than the oligarchs. E. Ukraine was Cossack with Turks in the south.
Let me sum this up and cut through the BS. You see this situation differently because you have an affinity for one side, whereas you have an affinity for neither side in the Ukrain-Russia mess, so it's easier to see how you're being manipulated.
And I don't think any if those you mentioned really think the Israelis are going to give the land back, but they keep taking more and more land. Really, how would it go over if Canada suddenly decided to annex New England or Mexico to annex California? I'm guessing you wouldn't be too keen.
I would welcome Canada or Mexico annexing those places.
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Hey no fair!!! I live in New England and I don't want to be canadian!!! They all have bad mullets and goofy accents.
You would be welcome in America
C’mon, man. If Canada takes over the New England you will notice no difference 😁🫶🏻🕊
Lol! Fair point. Ours are wicked superior though. Would certainly be a pretty funny looking battle.
Ordinary Soviets used to joke: they wanted to announce wars to the Western countries and immediately give in.
Nothing Hamas has done for decades is defensible.
Neither is what Israel is doing now.
Kinda obtuse comment.
Israel is fighting a mortal enemy which swore in writing in its Charter to exterminate not only Israel but also EVERY Jew all over the world.
5.5M killed in Congo: 🥱
500K killed in Syria 🥱
500K killed in Sudan 🥱
400K killed in Yemen: 🥱
300K killed in Iraq: 🥱
250K killed in Afghanistan:🥱
No Jews, no news.
30K killed in Gaza: GENOCIDE!!!
You care about Gaza only because of your Jew-hate. Have integrity to admit it.
You're a little late for the Holocaust.
I think she is talking about the Holocaust that Israel is now inflicting on Palestinian Christians and Muslim women and children.
Yeah. That's not a holocaust, and she spews ignorance by making that comparison.
I know. It pisses people like her off when Jews fight back on their enemies.
Must hate Purim.
C’mon, Jonah, you are talking to professional Jew-hating trolls.
In my opinion, too bad, so sad. The Palestinians have only themselves to blame. They elect Hamas to run their country. 50 to 70 years in the making the only reason that there is not peace is because the Palestinians (the government they elect) will not allow it. Their goal is the eradication of the Jews forever. Once that goal is over, there will be “peace.” All the Jews dead is what Palestine and most of the Arab world consider “peace.” The two part solution—hilarious. It is not the Jews, it is not the Israelis that block the solution. It is the Palestinians, it is the Muslims. Get over yourself. Wake the F up.
I'll remember that when the Arabs go after Israel. Too bad, the Israelis did it to themselves. Not my problem.
And I notice that no Muslims are after Jews in any other part of the world except Israel. I wonder why that is. Could it be that it has something to do with a disagreement about a site that Zionist Jews have decided they need control of but is holy to three different religions? You have no understanding of the religious importance of the region nor its full history.
Would you like to know what true anti-semitism is? Deciding that Jews are a monolithic group and that they all are genocidal maniacs living in the Levant rather than the diverse group they are living all over the world, many of them very anti-Zionist.
Are you deaf, dumb and blind to the growing and dangerous Jew hatred brewing in Minneapolis, Detroit, etc? Muslims are after Jews all day bee the world. Sounds like you approve.
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Could not have said it better.
May add, her ignorant, obtuse drivel is for dummies.
Always wondered, how exciting, inspiring it might feel to be a leader of useful idiots 🤷♂️💪🤡🤡🤡
Given that I see so much disingenuous conflation of actual anti-semitism (I love it how you all now using "Jew hatred" instead of "anti-semitism" because you've beat that word to death) and simply either disagreeing with funding Israel or disagreeing with what Israel is doing or supporting freedom for Palestinians (none of which is actual anti-semitism), until I see some actual numbers that don't conflate all that under the label of "Jew hatred," I think you're full of s--t.
All of Israel is the size of New Jersey. Meanwhile Arab Muslims control the nearly entirety of the Middle East and North Africa. So who is doing the annexation?
You are waaay too logical. Time to cancel you 😁🫶🏻🕊
I have no ties to Israel or am Jewish and I’m sorry but when they were attacked years ago they kindly gave back some land to make peace but time and time again are attacked. Hamas doesn’t want peace. Muslims want to destroy Israel and America. You need to read up. In fact you could say all of the land in the Middle East was Colonized by Muslims. Look how many other religions live in the ME besides Islam, not many
You do know that Netanyahu funded Hamas.
That might seem like a non sequitur, but think about the implications of that for the "story" you've been told. Did Muslims colonize and conquer? Yup, but so did Christians. They took over whole continents, in the Americas and Australia, and they tried very hard to colonize Asia and Africa, but found much more resistance. And the number of people they killed and enslaved along the way makes what the Muslims did child's play. But yet we don't run around mistrusting the motive of modern Christians.
As for Hamas not wanting peace? Perhaps. But neither does Israel. They want land and an excuse to kill its current residents. That would be why they were funding Hamas.
“ As for Hamas not wanting peace? Perhaps. But neither does Israel. ”
One obtuse statement after another. First obviously FALSE claim that Israel would never give land back, even though Israel gave land back.
Now this. Israel MADE Peace with Egypt and Jordan AND gave land back and offered more, which both declined. I wonder why? ( Not really, I know why, just want Jew-haters s continue exhibiting their stupidity)
Hamas? Broke one ceasefire after another. Why would not Hamas break ceasefire if it has in writing in its Charter that its goal not only destroy Israel, but exterminate EVERY last Jew all over the world.
If you had an ounce of integrity, you’d admit your Jew-hate.
Isreal doesn't want peace. They have never made any meaningful attempts to deal in good faith with the Palestinians. And to my knowledge, Israel has never given land *back* to the Palestinians. They're grabbing it even now. Egypt is a country, not an occupied people living within what Israel considers its larger borders. Trust me, Israel didn't want to do give the land back to Egypt. Had it been up to them, they would have kept the land. Nixon saved their behinds in the 1967 War and I suspect that was the price of American help.
“Isreal doesn't want peace. They have never made any meaningful attempts to deal in good faith with the Palestinians.”
Another obtuse, empty statement worthy of a Jew-hater.
Meaningful attempts? Like Jordan in 1970? Remember that meaningful attempt killing tens of thousands and kicking out hundred of thousands of Palestinian terrorists?
Or like Lebanon in 1986? Remember that meaningful attempt killing tens of thousands and kicking out hundred of thousands of Palestinian terrorists?
Or like Kuwait in 1991? Remember that meaningful attempt kicking out ALL 440,000 of Palestinian Arabs?
Don’t remember? I thought so. Jew-hater’s memory is very specific.
Now, when Hamas broke the ceasefire for the n-th time, Israel is making the most serious peace offer ever, just like Muslim countries have done before it.
“ Nixon saved their behinds in the 1967 War and I suspect that was the price of American help.”
🤣 Nixon saved Israel’s behind in 1967 war? The war which lasted the whole 6(!!) days and ended with Israel by the capitals of each of the attackers’ capitals? 🤣🤡
Nixon was NOT even the President in 1967. For ignorant Jew-haters facts do not matter.🤡
“ And to my knowledge, Israel has never given land *back* to the Palestinians.”
Your kniwledge is lacking. Israel made offers of land+ time-and-time again. The latest attempts, Israel offered in 2000 and 2008 different variations of 97% of what Terrorist Palestinian Arabs have been asking for. Every time offers have been met with wars. 🤡🤡🤡
Wars what terrorist know. Wars what terrorist understand. Wars what terrorist do. Wars what terrorist die from. Hamas turn has come.
🤡🤡 Name Muslim countries which do not consider ORDINARY Palestinian Arabs as the second class and offer as much rights and as high standard of living as Israel offers its ORDINARY Palestinian Arabs.
What a sorry, ignorant, Jew-hating clown you are.
Why don’t you go to Gaza to defend your favorite murderous people? 🤡🫶🏻🕊
This is the equivalent of the left shouting “racist” as if it is an actual argument.
Prove to me that I'm wrong.
Seriously, you sound more like a typical leftist with every sentence you write. You accused Sasha is being biased based on her identity. And now you challenge me to prove she’s not biased?
Prove to me that it is not her bias driving her conclusions. Unless you're willing to admit right off the bat that it is her bias, in which case, I'm fine. Because that's exactly what I said.
I don’t know why you think you can issue demands that other people must follow. It doesn’t make you look smart, it just makes you seem hysterical.
You have already decided your views are completely correct and incontestable. You’ve made that clear. So now you can tell yourself that nobody was able to counter your brilliant points. Have at it; it’s what you were going to do anyway.
It's not a demand. You're trying to prove a point. So prove it or shut up.
Jude, I don’t see that Gajewski made any comment about Stone being biased on her identity. Can you paste it in please?
Libertarian, the Substack app on my old iPhone is hurting my thumb trying to select so I can copy and paste.
I would just refer you back to the opening paragraph, talking about “cutting through the BS” to declare that Sasha has an affinity for one side because of her background.
HeyJude, forget professional Jew-hating trolls. Take a sad song and make it better! 😉😁🫶🏻🕊
Kinda obtuse comment.
Israel is fighting a mortal enemy which swore in writing in its Charter to exterminate not only Israel but also EVERY Jew all over the world.
5.5M killed in Congo: 🥱
500K killed in Syria 🥱
500K killed in Sudan 🥱
400K killed in Yemen: 🥱
300K killed in Iraq: 🥱
250K killed in Afghanistan:🥱
No Jews, no news.
30K killed in Gaza: GENOCIDE!!!
You care about Gaza only because of your Jew-hate. Have integrity to admit it.
Well they can have CA back.
I'm kind of with you there. I wouldn't fight too hard to keep it.
Precisely; if a nation killed 33,000 Jews, wounded another 70,000 Jews and made homeless a million more Jews; every single journalist in America would scream it was genocide. But they don’t simply because they define genocide as something Israel is incapable of and only the lives of Jews are of value. Israeli genocide of Palestinian Christians and Muslims don’t matter at all.
Precisely, obtuse comment.
Israel is fighting a mortal enemy which swore in writing in its Charter to exterminate not only Israel but also EVERY last Jew all over the world.
5.5M killed in Congo: 🥱
500K killed in Syria 🥱
500K killed in Sudan 🥱
400K killed in Yemen: 🥱
300K killed in Iraq: 🥱
250K killed in Afghanistan:🥱
No Jews, no news.
30K killed in Gaza: GENOCIDE!!!
You care about Gaza only because of your Jew-hate. Have integrity to admit it.
Have you done a count on how many people have been killed by Christian crusades or even the American "interventions"?
And I find it funny how you lump all Muslims together and put them all under Hamas but get upset that one particular group of Muslims (Hamas) does the same thing to Jews. You really need to decide what your principles are.
And I have no hatred for Jews. I'm just fine with Jews. Homicidal maniacs hiding behind religion are a completely different story.
On the other hand, maybe you should just have the integrity to admit that you see Muslims as vermin.
One would hope that New England would not randomly fire rockets into Canada, nor would they do cross border raids indiscriminately killing Canadians. If they did, It would not surprise me if Canada at some point did invade them. As to Mexico, we already have a long standing cross border war going on between the USA and the Mexican government. There is no doubt Mexico would do it if they could. They say they want to all the time.
Well, that depends. Has Canada been pushing settlements into it for the last eighty years and chipping away at its land?
Has New England been running a hot war against Canada for the last 80 years trying to drive them into the sea or kill them off? Asking for a friend.
Did Canada settle their land and purge the New Englanders from the area? Asking for a friend.
« And I don't think any if those you mentioned really think the Israelis are going to give the land back,…»
Ignorance is a bliss!! Israel GAVE land back AND offered way more.
It’s just that Jew-haters and ignorant useful idiots keep their blinders close to their eyes and ears
Israel has taken more land ONLY when attacked in wars.
As a matter of fact it gave up land and even offered more, - like Gaza back to Egypt, which Egypt refused, -like West Bank to Jordan, which Jordan refused. I wonder why? -, FOR PEACE.
There was peace with both countries since.
Tens of thousands of Terrorist Palestinian Arabs have been killed and hundreds of thousands kicked out of Jordan in 1970. Genocide? Neah. No Jews, No problem!
Tens of thousands of Terrorist Palestinian Arabs have been killed and hundreds of thousands kicked out of Lebanon in 1986. Genocide? Neah. No Jews, No problem!
All 440,000 Palestinian Arabs have been kicked out of Kuwait in 1991. Genocide? Neah. No Jews, No problem!
It’s only when Jews fight for their lives against the enemy commuted in writing in its Charter to exterminating EVERY Jew not only in Israel, but also all over the world when Jew-haters and their useful idiots come out of woodwork with all their might.
🤯🤬🤷♂️🫶🏻🕊
Totally off topic but this caught my attention:
“More than one in four Indians live in poverty, the highest rate of any racial group in the United States.”
Why is this? The article you link to says this: "Poverty is not an Indigenous trait. Rather, tribal economies enabled their citizens to thrive for thousands of years. Tribal economies can thrive again. The federal government simply needs to start treating tribes like the sovereigns they are and always have been."
That doesn't ring true for me. Indian casinos, for example, rake in millions of dollars a year, if not in a month. Where is all the money going? Something doesn't add up.
Plus they were late to alcohol and don’t metabolize it well.
If you took all the Federal expenditures made for Indians and just distributed it, they would be the richest ethnic group in the country.
There was an old quote I recently read that said basically that Indian poverty is what you get when you let the US government completely control your life.