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Regina Filippone's avatar

Sasha , Isreal left Gaza in 2005 . It’s not β€œ occupied β€œ at all. If they stopped attacking Israel , she would leave them alone.

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Richard's avatar

I confess to being a Zionist though I am not either Jewish or evangical. Israel is simply the only place that Jews can be safe which was the original point of Zionism. Originally, it was France but Dreyfus. Then it was Germany but Nazis. Then it was the US but Democrats. So now it is only Israel.

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Danimal28's avatar

It is also the only safe space for Arabs in the Middle East.

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Tom Potts's avatar

Amen, peace, shalom, Saleem. That is what we all wish for now. Americans call it peace.

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Tom Sparks's avatar

I believe the opposite. I have Jewish friends who talk about emigrating to Israel. I tell them I worry about too many Jewish eggs being in one basket. (Iran WILL get The Bomb. ) That they should remain in the U.S., under America’s nuclear umbrella, and help us fight Critical Social Justice, and its attendant antisemitism together.

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Richard's avatar

Your ideas are plausible. It is a question of prediction which is always hard. Since I don't trust the US government to protect US citizens, I certainly don't trust them to protect Isreal. I think Jews are wiser to trust Israel's nuclear umbrella. The ongoing war in Ukraine may result in a nuclear war that would involve the US but probably not Isreal. The Iranians possibly would be crazy enough to strike Isreal but I don't see anyone else doing so.

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Tom Sparks's avatar

I think the Iranians would use a proxy. Then the US would have a real dilemma on its hands. We don’t have indisputable proof that Iran annihilated Israel so we cannot strike.

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Richard's avatar

Doesn't matter what we do. Israel will strike.

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Tom Potts's avatar

Me too… I have been there many times and love them. I am a Reformed Protestant Christian.

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Dena's avatar

Why is Israel the only country not allowed to protect itself from enemies who want to annihilate it?

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Leslie Villarreal's avatar

American conservatives and Trump can hardly protect themselves against government fuckery either

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De Tokeville's avatar

Sasha, you're cool as fuck. Carry on.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

This might be the third best handle I’ve seen on substack. Behind β€œClever Pseudonym” and β€œFukitol”.

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De Tokeville's avatar

Thankin ye.

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Bat Man's avatar

Notice none of the Hamas loving deviants are going over to help anyone out themselves.

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Sherry's avatar

Let’s realize that the numbers that are out there are not correct as the UN even had to admit. So don’t go throwing BS numbers around! Hamas are the ones that are using the women and children, elderly, etc as their shields so they are to blame. As long as they want to wipe Isreal off the face of the earth there will never be a 2 state solution. Interesting is also the fact that none of the other Middle East countries will take the Palestinians in. They are the ones that started this war and thousands of the Palestinians cheered it. I’m not Jewish but am 100% backing them. That’s what happens when you start a war. But let’s get the numbers correct please.

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William Conner's avatar

I truly don't believe this is difficult, Israel is in the right. We're supposed to believe that the Palestinian sympathizers, if faced with the same circumstances, would find a more just or humane way to respond than what we've seen from Israel?

Your enemy will tell anyone who listens, that they will not rest til you are erased, no exceptions, they commit pure acts of evil gleefully, so proud of their evil they record it and brag to their families (I don't recall even the Nazis advertising their evil) they make no contention about hiding amongst the weak and the children, nor do they deny being funded by terrorist entities, yet somehow Israel's response is too strong, not careful enough.

But what about the innocents dying? It is truly heartbreaking, but it will always be far worse when evil is allowed to go unchecked because the good can't distinguish feelings from truths.

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Andras Boros-Kazai's avatar

Humans make war. And also love. In both, "innocents" die: Statistics.

Heartbreak for some, shrug for others = All humans. No "evils" on Earth.

All done "for a cause."

Except Hamas and ilk: No cause at all, just death-wish.

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MsRhuby's avatar

I'll not argue for or against either side because both sides are in error to some degree. Both sides lack problem-solving skills. War should never be an option. Lord have mercy! Open the eyes of their hearts.

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Anthony Davidson's avatar

Unfortunately, if you are attacked, war is the only option.

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peggy bean's avatar

Sorry to have to go, Sasha. I can't support anyone who is pro genocide. I'll miss you.

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Tom Potts's avatar

By by. Enjoy sharia law.

Dang, why don’t our schools teach actual real history? From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli. The actual battle hymn of the US Marines. Tripoli. Islamic pirates. Thomas Jefferson dealt with them making hostages of our merchants ships. Actual American history that matters. Muslims have been our mortal enemies for more than 200 years.

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Libertarian's avatar

Peggy, you are not alone. This from The Guardian today; β€œLast week, I resigned from my post at the United States Department of the Interior, becoming the first Jewish politically appointed administration official to publicly resign in protest – and in mourning – of President Biden’s endorsement of genocide in Gaza, where more than 35,000 Palestinians have been murdered. β€œ. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/28/biden-israel-gaza-policy

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Seva's avatar

β€œCNN interview on Israel’s worsening global image.” (6 min)

Antony Loewenstein. May 26, 2024

https://youtu.be/KsAUwm1Kl_0?si=V3Bs0OLrZlpYVIIV

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Libertarian's avatar

Thanks, Seva. Fascinating to see massive cognitive dissonance in action.

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Richard's avatar

It isn't worsening. Europeans have always hated Jews. This is just the latest excuse.

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Tom Potts's avatar

The thing about worsening global image. Means nothing whatsoever to principled people. May YHWH bless Israel and keep the IDF safe from harm. Shalom. Saleem, and Peace. Now. Hamas leaders need to walk out of hell and present themselves to the Isreali justice system now. To save and preserve their women and children now. Will they do this? We will see. I hope they choose Saleem. We will see what they do now. Every single day they don’t do this, delays the reconstruction of Gaza. After they surrender, then the Abraham Accord Partners of Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Egypt should take control on the ground. To rebuild Gaza into a vacation paradise on the Mediterranean Sea.

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Donald F Winterstein's avatar

Those who lament all the Palestinian loss of life may need a reminder of how wars are fought when your opponents are fanatics impervious to reason and the suffering of their fellow countrymen. Hitler was one such fanatic, and leaders of Hamas are equally fanatical or more so.

I spent 2Β½ years in Germany in the early 1960s as a soldier in the US Army. Wreckage of World War II was still being cleared. I took advantage of the opportunity to visit several large German cities.

Dresden was not the only city that was flattened with loss of human life in the tens of thousands. Museums in many of these cities displayed meticulously detailed 3D city models showing the city before the war and immediately after. The degree of flattening and the implied loss of civilian life frankly overwhelmed me. Yet American and British authorities were simply pursuing victory the only way they knew.

And recall that it took two A-Bombs to get the fanatical Japanese to give up.

Do college students know better how to wage an existential war? Should we seek their advice?

Israel’s Netanyahu and advisors know better than almost any American outside the professional military about how to wage an existential war. Let’s acknowledge that.

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Tom Potts's avatar

Thank you. To da.

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Tom Potts's avatar

I visited the Berlin Holocaust museum with my Isreali colleague about 15 years ago. It was mostly underground then. I love Israelis. They have lot’s of common sense.

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Anthony Davidson's avatar

Very surprised to hear that β€œThe dominant voices are very much anti-Israel.” How can anyone defend rape, murder, and kidnapping? Did Hamas follow the β€œlaws of war” when they attacked Israel? But Israel is expected to--why? Answer: Because Israel is a civilized government and Gaza is ruled by a criminal organization that murders any political opposition--so different rules apply. I’m not Jewish, just opposed to rape, murder, etc.

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Seva's avatar

β€œThe Israeli-Gaza War Did Not Start on Oct 7.” (15 min)

Glenn Greenwald. Feb 25, 2024

https://youtu.be/wO4hxzidrhc?si=FTGnGq96Tyr5IFep

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Richard's avatar

If you are looking for a starting date, the most robust is in 1939 when the Mufti aligned with the Nazis. From that point forward, it was probably unfixable.

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DMiglio's avatar

The interview was fun to watch as is most of Jerry Seinfeld's work. Bari Weiss is an expert interviewer and she displays that again here.

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Libertarian's avatar

I’ll work to refrain from posting about Gaza on essays that are not about this subject. Since this post is about Gaza, I’ll just say it seems hypocritical to criticize Hamas for saying they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth but never to criticize Israel for actually wiping Palestinians off the face of the earth via genocide of over 30,000 dead, 100,000 wounded and 1,000,000 homeless and starving. And now I am done with the arguments because they don’t actually talk about numbers and can never admit Israel has already committed genocide. It seems to me that nearly every Jewish writer,including Sasha, cannot bring themselves to admit Israel is in the wrong and instead claim that Israel can kill as many innocent women and children as they like. And now to follow Sasha’s lead; I am done with the arguments.

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Sasha Stone's avatar

The numbers of dead aren't accurate - half were Hamas leaders. As I said, I understand why people seek to criticize Israel for war crimes. I don't see it that way because of what happened on Oct 7.

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MrKudzu's avatar

You have a horribly warped sense of humanity and justice if you value the lives of one group of people over another, God sees no such distinction.

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Kandy's avatar

wrong.

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Richard's avatar

The number of dead is also irrelevant. It's a war and people get killed. Don't start a war if that is a problem.

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Kurt's avatar

Right Sasha, those numbers are all wrong.

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Seva's avatar

β€œI don't see it that way because of what happened on Oct 7.”

β€œThe Israeli-Gaza War Did Not Start on Oct 7.” (15 min)

Glenn Greenwald. Feb 25, 2024

https://youtu.be/wO4hxzidrhc?si=FTGnGq96Tyr5IFep

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Libertarian's avatar

I said I wasn’t going to argue further here and I’m not.

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William Conner's avatar

On this one, we will agree to disagree Libertarian. What I like about you, as always, is you realize that if we can't have a respectful exchange of ideas, our country is sunk. I will never hear you say, "racist!" and walk away.

I prefer we focus on the volumes of things we agree upon! Good night, good neighbor.

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Libertarian's avatar

Take care, Bill and hope to see you in the next essay.

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Seva's avatar

I can supply you with a lot of good info to fight with if you decide to change your mind. I live online and see things every day from our best public intellectuals that are quite good and useful for warfare against those who oppose us. No denying that.

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Matt L.'s avatar

Libertarian, what’s your thoughts on Palestinians not assimilating into countries of Israel, Jordan, Lebanon and Israel? Should they not do that? Further, why does the UN have a special carved out agency since 1949 (UNRWA) dedicated to Palestinian cause/rights - including classifying every Palestinian birth in West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem as a β€˜refugee’ for the past 70 years? This, in comparison to every other refugee group on the planet who all fall under another umbrella refugee relief agency (UNHCR). I say piss or get off the pot. In my current thinking, the UN has kept this issue alive by continually funding the UNRWA. Pull the plug on that agency, only then can Palestinian assimilation begin?

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Libertarian's avatar

Hey Matt, I said I wasn’t going to argue/debate this further so I am respectfully declining. Take care, amigo.

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Seva's avatar

Are you saying you’re just going to silently sit on the sidelines while we get dragged into a global WW3 with Israel and America vs Russia, China, Iran and the rest of the world against us!?

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Libertarian's avatar

Hi Seva, I am saying I am not going to argue further in this particular posting and that I’ll stay on topic in future postings. I will be more vocal elsewhere. I do respect the author’s preference to keep comments on topic ( ie related to the subject she’s publishing about). This is their livelihood and they need to make money and not lose subscribers. I hope you won’t think less of me, Marine; I am not giving up the fight, just moving it about a little. Take care, amigo.

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Seva's avatar

I understand. I don’t understand at all though how so many here can see the Palestinians as savage animals who need to be crushed and swept out of civilized Israel. I saw a video earlier today on β€œRising” where they interviewed a reporter from CNN who was in Israel. They asked her what things are like now in Israel. She said it’s in a state of crisis where every day they relive Oct 7. She said they’re in a constant state of war where they’re being attacked by Hezbollah in the north and still by Hamas in the south plus they know the world is turning against them. Israel cannot survive this endlessly grinding disaster. Many here don’t understand this. They think America will help them destroy their enemies and then life will return to normal. America though can’t even beat Russia in Ukraine. And the world knows it.

Ukraine War: β€œIneffective” US Weapons Caused Ukrainian Soldiers Deaths. (6 min)

Firstpost. Vantage with Palki Sharma. May 28, 2024

https://youtu.be/qCozLIFmqXU?si=p9Dw8GzwUoF9Bd6u

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Richard's avatar

The Middle East isn't the likely source of global war. Ukraine is.

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Seva's avatar

Both are likely to lead us to WW3 which the criminally insane pigs who rule us very much want since they’re ghouls who love death and destruction. Humanity cannot survive this level of stupidity and flat out insanity. Only AI can save our sinking ship. Soon you will realize this as you watch our rotting society and fallen world sliding ever closer to the abyss.

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Richard's avatar

Agree about the likely outcome but think you are overly optimistic about AI. Stories continue to accumulate about the "criminally insane pigs who rule us" using AI to further their efforts.

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GabeReal's avatar

No I would say it’s the opposite. Ukraine is not the potential cause of global war but Israel and the Middle East definitely is.

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Richard's avatar

Worst case in Middle East is Iran and Israel start flinging nukes. Isreal badly hurt and Iran destroyed. No one else gets involved.

Worst case in Ukraine is NATO starts using long range weapons to hit targets in Russia. Then we get to find out whether Putin is bluffing. He wasn't the last time. Depending on what he does, this could easily escalate to all out war. WMD on NATO targets inside Ukraine would be my guess. Chemical, perhaps. Then what?

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Matt L.'s avatar

Respect ya Libertarian, for sure.

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Gary W.'s avatar

Suppose armed paramilitary troops crossed our southern border, outright killed a couple thousand Americans, tortured some to death, and carried away hostages. Resonable people would support a military response that ensured it wouldn't happen again any time soon.

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Libertarian's avatar

I said I wasn’t going to argue further here and I’m not.

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Richard's avatar

To scale up Oct 7 to the US size, would involve tens of thousands of killings.

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Gary W.'s avatar

True.

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Susan Vonder Heide's avatar

You might want to look up the word "genocide" which refers to deliberately trying to wipe out a people group. Defending one's country after a horrible terrorist attack and accidently killing civilians that the terrorists are using as human shields after doing your best to warn civilians to get out of certain areas is not genocide.

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Libertarian's avatar

I am refraining from arguing further here to respect what I understand to be Sasha’s preference on how to manage her Substack.

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Richard's avatar

I will honor your ceasefire. However, it does not apply to other people's posts. I also try to avoid hijacking posts though I sometimes struggle when the topic is Ukraine.

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Rebel Rooster's avatar

When one side of this conflict has F-35 / F-16 fighter jets, tanks, Apache attack helicopters, 155mm Howitzers (all supplied and paid for by US taxpayers) and the other side has hang-gliders, a few pipe bombs and a couple of beat up Toyota pickups, this isn't a "War" it's something else. Maybe genocide isn't the correct term but how about extermination? Empire building? Slaughter?

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Seva's avatar

How about β€œmass murder”? That was suggested by Glenn Greenwald for those who don’t like the word β€œgenocide”? The obvious reason why it’s so hard to reason with the people here about this is that they consider Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims as savages who are best destroyed before they destroy us. I’ve only known a few Muslims from India and Turkey in Chicago where I live and worked but they were nice people and I saw no reason to despise them. I wouldn’t even treat wild animals the way the Israelis treat the Palestinians.

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Rebel Rooster's avatar

Mass murder is accurate. I lived in Saudi Arabia for a year and had Muslim friends. I don't agree with their religion but we were able to put our differences in religion aside and co-exist.

Besides the propaganda technique of calling this a "War" I also take issue with another propaganda technique of Israel saying they're "Defending" themselves. When you drop bombs on people outside of your borders you are Attacking, you are not defending your country. Killing non-combatants is a war crime. Period. I often wonder if the people that support this indiscriminate bombing are ignorant, or just plain evil. I'm leaning toward evil.

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Tom Potts's avatar

It doesn’t matter. Israel is tiny, maybe 10 million souls. At least 2 million Arabs, who are represented in the Knesset and participate in the IDF. There are almost 500,000,000 Muslims surrounding Israel now.

Israel only wishes for peace, for shalom, for Saleem. I know them and have been there many times. Hamas is the guilty party and should give up now. Israelis can be merciful if the Hamas killers admit their guilt now. Why don’t Hamas do that now and make Saleem now? To make a better future for their wives and children now? This is the essential question that every media outlet should be focused on now. Why don’t they do this right now?

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Kenn Goodwin's avatar

Hamas is doing nothing more than Islamic Colonization of the world. And they will tell you that.

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Seva's avatar

That is absurd.

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Kenn Goodwin's avatar

Are you saying Islam end game is not total religious domination? Perhaps you should do some studying on the subject. It's written in the Koran.

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Seva's avatar

There are also a lot of crazy things in the Bible.

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Kenn Goodwin's avatar

Yes, and the Christian end game too to total Christianity. The difference is no one or group of elites are pushing a Christian agenda. The flooding of Europe of Muslims is being funded by the woken elites.

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Tom Potts's avatar

Sounds ok, except for the parts about Christians.

No normal men or women can convert any other human being to be a Christian. That is 100% the part of God Almighty. The Holy Spirit.

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Kenn Goodwin's avatar

I am good with that truth.

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Madhavi Judith's avatar

What occupation ?

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