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Rooster's avatar

I read both arguments and seem to find threads of credibility in each. Maybe we are in the fog of MOU. But one thing is certain: there is no equivalence with Obama’s JCPOA. The devastation wrought by the American military puts the Iranian diehards in an infinitesimally worse position than they were in 2015. The US has leverage Obama didn’t have because Trump has proved he’ll use kinetic force to take out their nuclear capabilities. And after all, that was the stated intention at the outset of this war. Not regime change.. as much as many of us would like to see that.

However this agreement washes out, because details have yet to be specified, I pray that the Iranian people can eventually overthrow this theocratic mafia and reclaim their proud Persian heritage.

Brian M's avatar

There is no fog to the MOU. It was a matter of political necessity. Trump, pragmatic as always and not locked down by idealism and having discovered the IRGC could not be intimidated in 2 months as he thought they would be, knew it was time to get a deal to open the Straits so that inflation would be brought under control. It is working. Oil prices are crashing and consumer sentiment is soaring. That will destroy the Dems chances in November. As for Iran, they will still be there after the election. They should figure out that Trump jus t needs 5 months to see his GOP party through the election and then all bets are off. If Iran doesn't play nice the IRGC will be obliterated. They have a chance to show they got the message.

Matt L.'s avatar

Have a look at people who say this is a ‘humiliating defeat’ for Trump…

Iran (Paydari Front)

Russia

China

Democrats

Israel First (see The Free Press comment section for a taste)

I’m choosing not to join that crowd. Instead, my view is wider.

USA is now the largest exporter of energy in the world. This is not only historic but it occurred because of Iran war. Also, OPEC is in tatters. This also is the case because of the Iran War. Another benefit that is not being pushed by legacy media because they can’t easily explain it - Iran will now return to selling its oil denominated in US dollars (and not Chinese Yuan). If you are familiar w/ Bretton Woods 1944, you’ll know why this is important to the USA. Another (coming) result could be more Middle East countries joining the Abraham Accords treaty, normalizing relations with Israel.

Perhaps contents of the MOU (which remains un finalized & have FAFO teeth behind it) really don’t matter all that much. Because after 3-months of (just air) war we have all these benefits to USA that could not have occurred otherwise.

It’s common for us humans to only see short term, and what’s directly in front of us. For example, the average national price of gas dipped below $4 per gallon today. But if we widen our aperture, we can see beneficial structural changes that have eluded us, but thanks to Trump, are already realized or are no longer out of reach.

glenn's avatar

Overlooked is the very effective and complete naval blockade against Iran, cutting off their oil cash flow and resupply. A move the so called brilliant IRGC asymmetric warfare strategy failed to consider. At the same time, the US navy was escorting other ships through the strait, revealing mining was a minor annoyance.

Even the crazy mullahs understand “money talks, bullshit walks”. Under the blockade, Iran’s oil fields were shutting down, and because of the physics of oil extraction, were never going to survive a “wait until the midterm” strategy. Nor were they going to rearm from China, because blockade.

The left and RINO neocon right are screeching failure is yet another psyop amplified by legacy media. And while Russia, China and Iran all say Trump failed, here what they are quietly digesting:

- Elite Russian and Chinese air defense systems taken down in hours.

- Waves of IRGC leadership eliminated

- Air superiority in days.

- Iranian air and sea drone swarm attacks, designed to overwhelm our navy, deflected and destroyed.

- Old London deepstate interference by refusing maritime insurance, thwarted.

- Iranian navy sunk

- Iranian Air Force gone. Hopefully the saved a few F-14s for the next Top Gun Maverick movie

- An effective naval blockade with instant crushing economic impact

- Inability of the left and RINO in congress to stop the action

Lisa Ricketts's avatar

BINGO! This time around, we have actual MEN running the country and our Military, Policing our border and the World! America is winning! The American taxpayers are finally getting their moneys worth!

Brian M's avatar

All those groups cited have reasons to spin the MOU for their own objectives. They are engaging in Propaganda, which is expected from Marxists like Russian and China, but is now the Democrat playbook as well: never tell the Truth, lie to the People for political benefit. Your conclusions are correct

Matt L.'s avatar

It’s interesting to me to see how many on the ‘Right’ are also falling for it. There is a campaign afoot to continue to tar & feather Vance, as D’s don’t want him in the ‘28 general.

Brian M's avatar

Vance did very well with the "ladies" on the View. I would not write him off. If he can't take the media heat he would not make a very good GOP President

Bobby's avatar

Because Rubio is the answer

Pam Humphrey's avatar

vance/rubio would be unbeatable

Matt L.'s avatar

Rubio is 5’9. Vance is 6’2. We haven’t had a POTUS as short as Rubio since 5’9 Truman, and he took office as a succession to 6’2 FDR (whose wheelchair use was kept concealed from voters). Prior to Truman, the shortest direct elected President was 5’7 William McKinley who took office in the late 19th century. So I’d say no on Rubio. Height matters to the lady voters, and to men too. Remember DeSantis and his platform shoes? That’s also how tall Marco is. Rubio will make a fine VP. But if he secures the nomination he’ll not win in a general against (likely) 6’3 Gavin Newsom.

Jln's avatar

I don’t believe the Iranian people are just waiting to overthrow the regime. A people always get a government they deserve. Look at Europe, UK or Canada ,do you think those governments took over by force? No, I lived in CA for 25 years, you think Gavin Newsom was placed by coup?

In every case the people either willingly or lazily let their governments get to where they are. I suspect if you went back in time to 1970’s Iran we would see people complaining about the Shah, being told that healthcare was too expensive, food prices were too high and god knows what else to keep the people controlled. Right now America has the best economy in the world, the average American lives in a manner most folks only dream about, yet a percentage of the country thinks the country is worse now, than when their parents were young.

I also lived in Europe for four years. Europeans live small lives, with their “free” healthcare and “free” education. Thats all it takes to keep them docile and going along while their governments take apart their countries with out of control immigration and no job opportunities.

Our leaders in the US and Europe don’t want peace, they want war, they want strife because that’s how they keep the populations under control. Let’s hope Iranians do take their country back, but the only people who have successfully done it were Americans in 1776, and we are fighting to keep that dream alive today after 250 years.

MAGA is the best hope of saving our Republic and the world. Thats why Tucker, Owen, Kelly, Jones, Bannon, Thune, Obama, Carney, Macron, Starmer, Sanchez and the rest are trying to destroy it.

If we were not effective and on the verge of success they would not need to destroy Trump or us.

Joe Blow's avatar

So, the Shah was a dictator whose secret police terrorized and tortured citizens. The original revolution was quite popular, and then the hardliners took over the revolution. This is very similar to the Russian revolution and the Stalinists taking over. Also, the French revolution followed this pattern. Even the bravest people cannot overthrow a government with over powering military, police, and internal intelligence agencies. Do you think the generations that lived behind the Iron Curtain wouldn't have changed their government if they could?

Kaycee's avatar

if they'd only had guns

Sally Sue's avatar

I pray the Iranian people can overthrow the regime too. The only way they can do that is if they get weapons.

I read that Trump's (and his administration's) original plan was to arm the Kurds and send them in. The Kurds actually have their own well-functioning army. This would have worked well.

But apparently Erdogan told Trump not to do it, and Trump listened to him. Which ruined the only chance they had for regime change.

Bobby's avatar

Erdogan needs to be eliminated

RedPilledConservative's avatar

Actually - I understand that we sent arms to the Kurds with the intent that they pass them on to the Iranian populace, but the Kurds kept the weapons.

Joe Blow's avatar

The Kurds don't have the men. Not even close. Even with Isreali and/or American air cover, there is no way they could've taken on the Iranian army and the Republican Guard.

Carol Jones's avatar

This is a MOU not a deal -

Rooster's avatar

Yes the Marshall

plan just occurred to me as well.

Douglas J's avatar

Infinitesimally means very small, btw...

Simbro Fatarzo's avatar

You are huffing the copium HARD

Name for me one other conflict in WORLD HISTORY that ended with the “losing side” getting a half trillion dollar check???

Matt L.'s avatar

Who is giving Iran a half trillion dollar check? If you cannot be specific, then is it you who are huffing the MSM?

What I’ve read is that the $300B reconstruction could come from the Gulf States, and specifically the Gulf Coast Coalition. These are the very countries that Iran targeted with drones & missiles. Those countries can decide for themselves whether or not to release investment $ to Iran, based on Iran’s behavior. If for example, Iran does not end their nuclear program and accept inspections to verify it is so, perhaps no $. Carrot & sticks.

Brian's avatar

I’d like to see payouts rather than wars and killing.

Simbro Fatarzo's avatar

"What I’ve read is that the $300B reconstruction could come from the Gulf States, and specifically the Gulf Coast Coalition."

WHO CARES?? I DO NOT CARE WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM

When - in the HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE - has the losing side in a war gotten a massive cash payout???

When Mike Tyson beat the crap out of Johnny McNobody, did Johnny McNobody get the bigger purse?

Serious question: are you the stupidest person alive?

Matt L.'s avatar

Iran hasn’t received a cent so far. And they won’t if they don’t show progress. Do you understand this? Further, the parties to fund the $300B are the Gulf States. The same ones Iran bombed. That said, economic activity is how peace occurs. When both sides have something to preserve. Israel should also take note of this and return to co-developing the natural gas rich, Gaza Marine, with Egypt and the PA.

As the great Dave Mustaine sang in ‘86:

“Peace Sells, But Who’s Buying?”

I’m a successful businessman, and have negotiated many contracts. Agreements that included incentives for meeting certain KPI’s & benchmarks. So, I hope I’m not the stupidest person alive. My company would have lost money and fired me long ago, if so.

NWCitizen's avatar

When did the Gulf states agree to pay $300B?

Matt L.'s avatar

They haven’t. It’s part of the MOU. But Iran has to ‘show’ adherence to other points in MOU to have access to the $. Such as allowing nuclear inspectors in to verity. That sort of thing.

Simbro Fatarzo's avatar

"Further, the parties to fund the $300B are the Guif States. The same ones Iran bombed. "

Do you understand how dumb those two sentences are together?

Matt L.'s avatar

I’m not sure you comprehend logic. So allow me to offer a different angle.

‘You attract more bees with honey’

Gulf States have the honey.

These countries with honey don’t or won’t give it away if you continue to sting them.

Make sense?

reel life's avatar

The Marshall Plan after WW 2.

Simbro Fatarzo's avatar

The Marshall Plan was for ALLIES.

Rooster's avatar

No the plan was not solely for allies… yes mainly there were numerous European allied countries who benefited from the Marshall Plan, but former Axis members Italy and Germany ( newly created West Germany) were also recipients.

Brian M's avatar

The Marshall Plan was a reaction to the mistakes made after WW1 when the Germans were economically destroyed and humiliated by forced reparations for the damages of the war they started. All Germany's gold was taken, at a time all currency was gold-backed and they had nothing to rebuild the damages to their country. They began printing money without gold or GDP output backing it. This caused the hyperinflation we know took down the democratically elected Weimar Republic. This left a power vacuum eventually filled by Adolf Hitler who promised to make the people proud of their country again and ramped up production of the war machine that became WW2. In "statecraft" we try to learn from our mistakes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

Brian M's avatar

So NAZI Germany was an Ally of America? LOL!

reel life's avatar

The United States provided substantial economic and relief aid to Japan during the Allied occupation (primarily 1945–1952), mainly through the GARIOA program, with a shift toward reconstruction later.

Key Programs and Timeline

GARIOA (Government Aid and Relief in Occupied Areas): This was the primary U.S. mechanism for emergency aid to occupied Japan (and Germany/Austria) starting in 1946. The initial goal was to prevent starvation, disease, and unrest that could threaten occupation forces or long-term stability. Aid included food, medical supplies, clothing, and other essentials.

Fiscal year 1946: ~$93 million

1947: ~$287 million

1948: ~$351 million

Shift to Reconstruction (EROA - Economic Rehabilitation in Occupied Areas): By 1948–1949, as costs mounted and with recommendations from reports like the Johnston Committee, policy evolved from de-industrialization/demilitarization toward economic recovery. Funds supported imports of raw materials, industrial goods, machinery, petroleum, and transportation equipment. The Dodge Plan (1949) introduced austerity measures to stabilize the economy alongside this aid.

Aid was administered under the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers (SCAP, led by General Douglas MacArthur) and complemented broader occupation reforms like land reform, democratization, and economic restructuring.

NWCitizen's avatar

Japan had surrendered and was no longer a threat. Has Iran surrendered?

Upinthehills's avatar

What a rude and shallow post. Who ends a comment like that but a braindead leftist. So tired of empty idiotic insults.

Carol Jones's avatar

Guy has serious TDS- check out his account

azbill's avatar

did you miss the part where its only invested if Iran is playing nice, and only if the countries funding it see a good investment? Or are you just a bot?

DarkSkyBest's avatar

No. But you may be.

JAE's avatar

It’s not the U.S., don’t believe the MSM. It’s the gulf states who are going to invest according to the deal.

234's avatar
Jun 18Edited

You're only $200b off, sport. And NONE of that money is coming from us.

Besides, the losing side in Europe after WWII got money from the Marshall Plan...I wonder if you ever heard of it.

Simbro Fatarzo's avatar

The losing side in Europe did not get money under the marshall plan. The newly installed governments that the allies installed in Italy and the newly formed west Germany got money. Mussolini was not in power in that Italy and Hitler was not in power in West Germany.

The Nazis and the fascists did not get a cent.

Because they lost.

NWCitizen's avatar

When did the Gulf States agree to pay $300B?

Carol Jones's avatar

Saying it over and over doesnt make it an important point. The Gulf States helped negotiate this- sorry you weren't invited🙄

NWCitizen's avatar

The Gulf States: Gulf nations have NOT officially committed to or agreed to pay this money. Reports indicate they have shown hesitancy and concern about being expected to finance the post-war recovery of a major regional rival.

Carol Jones's avatar

What are you smoking? In what world do you live?

JJoshua's avatar

Have you ever seen Democrats more anti-America than during this conflict? I surely haven’t.

They would no doubt hoist up an Ukraine flag than a US flag. Democrats are pathetic and truly HATE America.

Brian M's avatar

The Democrat party is just getting started working against America, citizens and the Constitution. Their new affection for Marxism, which is now the Base of the party, will require them to eliminate freedoms and force regulations and even property confiscation to achieve their equity goals (redistribution of property and wealth to their favored classes of people). It could get very ugly if the Democrats regain govt control. The Biden socialist experiments were just the beginning.

Dunboy2020's avatar

Yep. Look for 2 new states, packed Supreme Court, higher taxes (not to drive down the budget deficit, but to punish earners) and renewed censorship. Dems aspire to be like Europe (especially the UK.)

JJoshua's avatar

It will get ugly because they will regain control of the government. Country has been gone for a long time anyways.

AmericanMutt's avatar

Never give up. The country is not gone. Each of us has a responsibility to stand up to those who are destroying our country. Find like minded people and get serious about this. No time for giving up.

Carol Jones's avatar

Snort ..really is that what your crystal ball is saying ?

azbill's avatar

Thats where the armed citizenry kicks in--kinda like the Founders set up.

Buff McCharen's avatar

The republicans are still supporting Ukraine!!!!

Buff McCharen's avatar

Lots of $$$$ being made on both sides!

Jim I's avatar

The #1 goal of Iran is to get a Democrat back into the White House.

Brian M's avatar

This is true.... Iran hoped that Trump would take the bait and continue fighting into the fall assuring the GOP loses both the House and Senate and setting up a defeat in the Presidential election in 2028. Too bad for the IRGC that Trump didn't take it and instead got the time we need to get the economy and inflation on track before the election

Matt L.'s avatar

We’ve been subject to many voices from the Left and MSM for the past several months saying this war must stop, and I mean stop right now. Congressional decrees saying the same.

Now it is to stop, and those same voices are beside themselves that the war should have continued to get a better ‘deal’.

Pick a lane. One lane. And stay in it.

When you straddle both lanes it shows you don’t really care about the war, you just care about removing Trump and his VP Vance, from securing another 4 years in the White House.

azbill's avatar

nailed it, Brian.

Pam Humphrey's avatar

gas prices in my area have dropped 30 cents in the last two weeks

azbill's avatar

40 cents here in Tucson

Steenroid's avatar

And it takes time to rearm and fill the oil reserves. My guess is right before Thanksgiving.

Minsky's avatar

That is quite unlikely —they are getting way more out of Trump than they ever got out of Obama or Biden. Trump has multiplied their power and influence in the region 100x, at the US’s expense—and he will walk away from this Ill-planned, ill-executed war with an agreement far worse than Obama’s. The mullahs could not ask for a better ally in the mission to undermine American power than Trump.

JAE's avatar

Oh do shut up, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about so you spread BS. Iran’s military lies in tatters, its navy at the bottom of the sea, its leaders at room temperature, its scientists the same, its economy on life support, it squandered its relations with its neighbors by bombing them, and its nuclear capabilities are gone. They can’t export to China and Russia and their game is up in Venezuela. Yet the bellyaching and whining continues from the puerile, peevish ignoramuses on the Left.

Minsky's avatar

That is what the propaganda that will be spewing from the admin will urge you to believe, but the fact of the matter is that Iran proved it possesses control of a key global military choke point, and can extract concessions from U.S. and the West writ large—all while strengthening the hold of the mullahs, and indeed making them more radical than before.

Think about it. If this were some overwhelming strategic victory like the propaganda feed says, why would Trump and the U.S. offer Iran terms that:

-do nothing on the question of its nuclear capabilities

-give it funds for reconstruction far larger than anything it’s ever received before

-give it waivers for its oil exports

-commits to making billions in frozen assets fully available to it

-preemptively lower US military presence in the Middle East to pre-war levels and cease military operations in Lebanon

…all in exchange for *returning to the exact same state of affairs as existed before the war*.

Those are only the kind of terms a belligerent fighting against Iran in a war like this would offer if they have been soundly defeated.

But here’s the rub: this war never even had to happen in the first place. It was a war of choice by Trump, and he planned so poorly for it (while doing all the negotiations with his family rather than military experts) that he didn’t even know to respond to what any strategist with any expertise would know to be Iran’s first go-to strategy.

The propaganda line won’t admit that to you—but it’s true.

JAE's avatar

Hahahaha! You’re the one toeing the Leftist line all the way. That’s the problem with the Left these days your hatred for Trump causes you to be impervious to facts, deaf to reason, Mr Magoo levels of myopia. That’s very clear from what you’ve posted here. You have no idea how this is going to go, but you’ll spread propaganda anyway, you just have a wish list for failure you’re hanging on to which you regurgitate. It’s so predictable.

Minsky's avatar

I've given you reason--but perhaps I must greatly simplify things in order for you to understand them: my reasoning is that (A.) these massive concessions, which amount to a deal worse than the US had before the war began, would only be given out in the instance of an American loss in this war, (B.) Iran has in the course of this war gained strategic control of a geopolitical chokepoint (the Strait of Hormuz) that it did not have before the conflict, and thence a greater degree of geopolitical power, and (C.) this war was unnecessary.

I have seen you provide no reasoning in response that establishes that premises (A), (B) and (C) are false. If you care to provide some, go ahead. If you can provision none, then it's fairly clear who the rational party to this conversatioin is, and it is not you.

JAE's avatar

You are wrong on every count.

Count A: no concessions have been given whatsoever. It’s an MOU, not a deal, do you understand the difference? Nothing will be concrete for 60 days, when we’ll see what Iran has done to earn favor. They’ll cheat, that’s a given, then they’ll pay for that. There is no deal yet, got that. We are not giving them a red cent. It will come from the neighboring Arab nations investing in reconstruction in Iran because we decimated it.

Count B: Iran already had control of the Straits, for crying out loud. Under the idiot Obama deal they regularly attacked shipping and even took US sailors hostage in it! Iran is violating international law in the Straits. The MOU states countries must sail the Straits under international law, that includes Iran. There will inevitably be no deal without that.

Count C: Trump has stated for decades Iran will never have nuclear capability. The war was necessary to accomplish this, which he has done. War was necessary to break ties Iran had with China by supplying oil to them and Russia by supplying them with arms. This has been done and both China and Russia are suffering. Added to that Trump’s genius stroke of first dealing with Venezuela, the conduit for China, Iran and Russia for oil, drugs, and billions in money, has been accomplished.

So open your eyes to a different viewpoint, maybe get off CNN or whatever leftist muck is being doled out. Listen to Victor Davis Hanson or Niall Ferguson for a change. They educate us properly and honestly.

Kaycee's avatar

I must agree with you JAE. I have been praying for this!

Jan Hus's avatar

If mullahs fail to comply,

The bombs shall fly!

Brian M's avatar

Muhammed Ali could not have said it any better.

Simbro Fatarzo's avatar

They literally won’t. Trump surrendered while Iran was attacking.

They got a half trillion dollar check because they were attacking.

Trump knew our reserves were going to run out in July and they knew he was desperate to surrender so they got everything they wanted and more.

He just screwed me, he just screwed my kids, he just screwed my future grandkids - because someone is going to have to pay that half trillion dollar bill for a war he started and lost eventually.

JAE's avatar

More hysteria from the ignorant, ill informed wishing for failure for Trump and spreading BS.

234's avatar

Go away dude....you're bad news.

Simbro Fatarzo's avatar

Lmao yes I believe this guy who says we did a trillion dollars worth of damage to irans military

Son is your brain so full of piss that you think Iran has a trillion dollars worth of military equipment?

You're huffing copium so hard you're gonna wake up in an alley. Just accept the reality - the president fought an idiotic war of choice and panicked when they didn't surrender and agreed to everything they wanted because we were about to run out of oil reserves.

234's avatar

$300b is fr cry from $500b....what school did you go to? None of it will be paid if they don't comply to Trump's demands, and no tax dollars are used.

Furthermore, Trump did not surrender...he bombed the sh*t out of them, but like the stupid Nazis and iracebile Japanese in 1941 they didn't know when they were defeated.

What did they get that they wanted? Thousands of dead Marines? Nuclear missiles up and ready to fire? Buildings, road, schools left in tact? Just what, genius?

Trump surrendered, or the war will be eventually lost....which is it?

Libertarian's avatar

Notice that the replies to your comment are all personal attacks like; “go away”, “ignorant”, “pathetic”, etc. this site once condemned the Left for this behavior; now it has adopted it.

Carol Jones's avatar

Sad and pathetic either you are a Pahlavi Puppet or you just love to lie and blackpill.

David Parker's avatar

If we lost the war it is because of the huge FIFTH COLUMN that we have in this country as consisting of the Democommunist party and the blithering antisemitic idiots of the pseudo right ( I don't even consider them right, just stupid). Hopefully we can get through the midterms unscathed. What's really galling is those who opposed the war from the get-go now opining that Trump surrendered or is appeasing. Those who never liked anything Trump has done can just shut the hell up.

Buff McCharen's avatar

We lost this war because we should not have started it in the first place. Bad leadership and bad advice or just plain stupidity!

NWCitizen's avatar

Trump, Israel, & his sycophants started the war and decided how to carry it out. In what way are Democrats responsible?

Pamela Eubank's avatar

Excellent commentary, Sasha. You helped even this senior adult understand what’s going on a little better.

Danimal28's avatar

That is a great insight: our own side is negatively messaging against our own leader. It matters. Democrats threaten theirs into lockstep.

The Establishment™ NEEDS conflict at all times to generate money which includes Great Britain. They control the risk and supply(actually distribution) of goods to manage scarcity. Trumps policies end this.

We bombed Vietnam for 15 years and now they are our trading partners. Same thing here if the Establishment would simply work with him, but they won't.

NWCitizen's avatar

OMG! In all circumstances up until now, Republicans don't dare speak out against Trump no matter how ridiculous his talk is or what crazy things he does. Look what happened to Coryn.

Danimal28's avatar

Cornyn is not reputable. Pick another. Cornyn has only taken other peoples money and doesn't understand that Trump is several levels above him in competency:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/08/19/the-day-i-went-head-to-head-with-donald-trump/#624a2a035570

NWCitizen's avatar

Trump is the biggest grifter ever. The Trump boys, & Jared Kushner have all benefited from enormous business deals after US negotiations with other countries like in the Mid-East. Trump has his crypto business which he manipulates to multiply his wealth.

Others: Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-LA), Senators Richard Burr, Ben Sasse, and Pat Toomey opted to retire.

Danimal28's avatar

Trump is the only president to lose wealth serving in office in term 1 as he relinquished his businesses per US law.

The wealth of your other Senators before and after orifice?

NWCitizen's avatar

Yes, Donald Trump's net worth declined during his first presidential term due to factors like The COVID-19 Pandemic (lockdowns and travel restrictions severely impacted the revenue and valuation of his commercial real estate, branded hotels, and resorts) and decline in his property values (office towers he owns or co-owns saw big drops in valuations as more people worked from home). But don't worry, he's been making up for it ever since. He was worth $1.7B in 2020 and is estimated to be worth $6-7B today.

Danimal28's avatar

What is your problem?! What? The man pays 10's of millions of taxes every fucking year of his adult life. The US and NY governments STOLE hundreds of millions of his dollars with fake lawfare bullshit for TEN FUCKING YEARS now.

Get a fucking grip. Do any of your republican or demonrat master claim that level of theft? No. He is going through exactly what our founding fathers did.

Obama: Netflix got him to shift the 40% of their bandwith cost onto ISP's - YOU - via 'net neutrality'. Remember when your cable bill tripled in 2014?! Yes, that was Netflix/Obama shifting THEIR costs onto you. Now? Obama sits on their board with a net worth of $100M after creating nothing in life.

Grow. Up.

Libertarian's avatar

Looks like a lot of GOP is more Israel First than it is America First.

Danimal28's avatar

The Senate GOPe for sure. Mike Huckabee. Our ambassador to Israel just told them how to avoid Trumps policies. Creepy stuff.

Tao Of Freedom's avatar

If the war with Iran was "lost" it is because it was "won" by the American Left ...

Brian M's avatar

The "war" (it was never that) was not Lost. The IRGC lost three layers of leadership. All the mullahs are dead. The Iranian military, except for a few drones and missiles, is destroyed. Their economy is in shambles. And none of this is over if Iran doesn't stop its provocation in the Middle East and Israel. This is a conditional peace treaty. If conditions aren't met, after November, all bets are off.

Simbro Fatarzo's avatar

“Their economy is in shambles”

Yeah, they’re really crying hard into their new half trillion dollars

234's avatar

300b is nowhere near 500b dumbsh*t

What school did you flunk out of?

Simbro Fatarzo's avatar

300billion is a hell of a lot, but we're also unfreezing 25 billion in assets and ending sanctions which is worth at least 150 billion in the next 5 months.

If you don't think this adds up to half a trillion and more in no time, you're not too wise

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Oh, good grief, don't be so narrow minded. It was an ill advised action that has led the USA to brink of collapse and meatheads like your worry about the left.

Ernie Boxall's avatar

The brink of collapse?

The PRESIDENT has Argentina, Venezuela and the Panama Canal. Since USAID was smashed Bolivia, Peru, El Salvador and Cuban civilians are ousting far left governments. The PRESIDENT has the Panama Canal.

The anti IRGC Arab states are aligned with the PRESIDENT'S values...AND: The PRESIDENT is the head of the G7

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Chew on this dope:

https://substack.com/home/post/p-201961444

https://multipolaritypod.substack.com/p/multipolarity-brief-issue-21-iran

The successes you cite were not successes, but a case of imperialistic fascism for which the USA gained nothing for the citizens, plenty for rich Oligarch's, and loses the admiration for which this country was once looked upon because of ignorant dopes like you.

Ernie Boxall's avatar

Imperialism? Was it Venezuela who benefitted from US oil knowledge and then stole the benefits for their Oligarchs...the Venezuelan people didn't see the benefits of communism.

The Panama Canal? China's jewel? Who's got it now?

Fascism? You National Socialism? Democrats.

Admiration? Did you see the way the G7 gathered around the PRESIDENT...Kiddies to the Cookie Jar

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds...............the USA was never about being the East India company and imperialism, that you embrace it demonstrates you lack what true Patriotic Americans always knew, we were to be a peaceful nation not one who enabled genocide and ethnic cleansing.

G7, is irrelevant since Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States, along with the European Union are teetering on the brink of collapse. Are you that dumb or just really uninformed? Perhaps you read too much material that confirms all your biases and lack of knowledge about world events.

Ernie Boxall's avatar

I've chewed, tasted, and that link is the same anti Trump bullshit we're getting from cnn/mslsd

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

So, in other words you can't comprehend the reality staring you in the face.

Ernie Boxall's avatar

I understood it, in 2015, when obama began the treasonous betrayal of a “peaceful handover”.

I understood it in 2020 when obama cheated his way into a third term.

I understand it now with obama having to take the civil war route.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1FeP1Mxom3/

This guy understands it as well

JJoshua's avatar

Led the USA to the brink of collapse? Lmao

Good grief. The sky is falling!

steven t koenig's avatar

Well damn! Now I gotta go outside and look up

Roger Beal's avatar

Don your hardhat. Safety first.

steven t koenig's avatar

I never understood how the sky can fall. It's already sitting on the ground

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Another ignorant asshole tries his hand at snark. Poorly played dope.

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Don't forget to eat your crickets for protein after the food famine begins.

JJoshua's avatar

Strange, didn’t you folks say end of the world in 2016 when Trump won? Your buddy Paul Krugman said so.

Upinthehills's avatar

Touch some grass. Good grief.

dan brandt's avatar

Do you believe that all the thousands of drones, missiles, ICBMs, enriched uranium and military might have been developed under Trump in two years? Iran sat on it's hands for 45 years and decided with Trump they needed to ramp up? Do you think Iran needs an ICBM to attack this country with a nuke? Another stupid and dangerous proposition by the left. The smart way would be to smuggle it in. Especially when the Next Dem president will open up the borders again and let millions more illegals in.

Israel has nukes. That maybe a big revelation to you and those like you who have no clue. And if faced with annihilation do you not think they would use them rather than being defeated and letting the radical Islamist control all those nukes.

It is people like you who set the foundation for all that is going on. For once, accept responsibility for what you have caused and realize, you have policies nor leaders to rectify that this country was on the brink with Biden and Trump is cleaning up another of senile biden's mess'.

Your worldview was rejected Nov 2024. Accept no one trusts or likes you and your ratings are even lower than Trump's. And that according to you, Trump is the lowest of the low, yet he is the standard by which you measure your "leaders". That's the best you can do? The left created Trump. And now in their hysteria, they have created a doppelganger to Trump, platner, that all of you have slaughtered your high horse for in the name of the ends justify, the means.

Get over yourself. The only thing true about you and yours, you are l losers. You lost to freaking Trump twice? Why would any independents, those who decide elections, vote for a worthless "party" like the dumbocrats. An appropriate descriptive term.

Chuck's avatar

The brink of collapse? In what way?

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

In the worst way..........energy, food, and economy. The clueless Zealots of the MAGAtard crowd are in for a surprise when the SHTF.

The Iran War Fiasco of Choice was our Suez Crisis. It marks the end of the USA as the global hegemon. If 2nd-tier Iran could force the USA to back off the Strait of Hormuz, what does this tell China (and the world) about our ability to defend Taiwan? We can't, and everyone knows it now with certainty.

Trump admitted why he signed the Iran War surrender deal: the 100% predictable Iranian closure of the Strait of Hormuz was sending the world into a great depression, and he did not want to be blamed for it. His words.

azbill's avatar

jeez. do yourself a favor and stop broadcasting your stupidity.

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Right, truth and reality is stupid. Go back to your porn, boy.

Orenv's avatar

Time will tell if it is a good deal. Nobody knows right now. Nobody. Everything is spin. The current Iranian government should be very worried about their future. They have make their people poor and itching for vengeance against them. For the needless destruction of their country, the deaths of those massacred at protests, and the wasting of their national wealth on exporting death and destruction. They have been killing their way out of insurgency, but there is a limit to how much that works.

tim's avatar

Writing “a democrat is likely to win in three years” as if a certainty diminishes the points your are attempting to make by exposing a strange intellectual simplicity that is foreign to your usual very on spot analysis. Take a step back. I enjoy ready your stuff but you need to stop predicting doom and gloom without some sort of evidence. Do you really think the democrats are going to win in three years? Why? Do you really believe the rigged polls? Do you really believe the left wing media’s propaganda? History is going to crown Trump as one of the most consequential human beings in the 21 century. The world has changed under his watch.

Buff McCharen's avatar

Do you think the world has changed for the better?

Kathy Barkulis's avatar

I fear that Trump did this deal because he’s spooked by his dismal poll numbers. He wanted out of it asap. I hope he understands that the left will trash him no matter what happens. He will not and cannot win them over, and shouldn’t even want to. Neither the left nor the establishment right will destroy MAGA. Trump need not worry about that.

NWCitizen's avatar

MAGA worships him no matter what he does.

Libertarian's avatar

Not so sure about that; I was MAGA until Trump became an Israel First guy.

azbill's avatar

dumb, ignorant, lying statement

Libertarian's avatar

dumb, ignorant, lying statement

Carol Jones's avatar

Sasha it is an MOU not a deal. Its step 1. It was negotiated with the Gulf States, Iran with Pakistan. China and Russia remained neutral.

This MOU proposes a Joint (to be determined who) 300b fund for rebuilding, contingent on a determined mechanism for distribution 60 days signing of the completed deal and Iran meeting “ being a responsible nation” criteria.

Again this is an MOU not a DEAL - people need to take a breath.

The Radical Individualist's avatar

Iranian leadership during WWII was allied with Hitler. It was the same leadership then as it is now.

Alan's avatar
Jun 18Edited

Iran’s military capability and standing as a viable threat in the Middle East (and the world) has been shattered. It took the U.S. military 3 days to neutralize them. Meanwhile, Bessent at Treasury continued the financial war against the IRGC and the mullahs. The Gulf States and other Arab and Muslim states in the region have come clean with the money laundering from Iran to terrorists and to our biggest enemy, the City of London.

The primary target was no nukes for Iran. A very close second was taking another piece off the chess board for the British to stir up chaos in Middle East in hopes of bringing the USA and China or Russia into a regional conflict that no one could win. That’s all history now.

Yesterday, Trump said he wants Syria (Syria!) to clean Hezbollah out of Lebanon instead of the Israelis, because the Israelis always over react with too much collateral damage to innocent people.

Bottom line: Iran has a chance to join the other sovereign nations in the region and the world and build a nation that protects its sovereign interests for the betterment of its people.

The losers: the globalist rules-based order that has sown chaos throughout the world at the expense of the wealth of western peoples, and funneled the extraction of wealth to the colonial elites in Britain, the EU, U.S. deep state, Wall St., Democrats and RINOs.

Tim Hurlocker's avatar

As a retiree of the petroleum business, I agree with Trump's strategy completely.

1. The US Navy controls the Strait of Hormuz, and we can control Malacca as well, which shows China they can't depend on Middle Eastern oil if they invade Taiwan.

2. The US has demonstrated overwhelming military superiority over opposition technology, a warning to bullies everywhere.

3. Trump has deliberately left intact Kharg Island and their oil infrastructure, which reassures the oil markets, leaves an attractive carrot for domestic opposition, and keeps the US out of the regime-change business. Kharg Island remains critically vulnerable, so the US maintains leverage.

4. The nuclear dust is buried under a mountain, we're watching it, and is thus much less urgent.

5. The center of gravity for world energy has decisively shifted West; greater supply, less risk.

6. The Peace Negotiations are actually Terms of Surrender; Trump is ending an Endless War just as he promised.

7. No one, especially not Trump, believes there will be any "Good Faith" from the rump Iranian government.

8. Two carrier groups remain in the area, as a MOU is not the final deal.

9. The UAE, Saudis, and other locals are worried, as they should be, because Trump is signaling that the US won't be the Persian Gulf Policeman any longer.

10. Perhaps those worried anti-Iranian locals will pay renewed attention to the Abraham Accords.

I'm applauding all of this, long may it continue!

azbill's avatar

excellent analysis

James Howard Kunstler's avatar

Don't be surprised if, by September, the President has to declare the Democratic Party a terror organization.