Correct. There is a big intifada aspect to these riots, but the larger truth is that France is demographically doomed. The rioters will be the rulers in a generation or so. The ruling elite in France, the UK and elsewhere, during the past 30 years, invited hostile populations into their countries, and supported those newcomers with free housing and other benefits. What we are seeing is the logical result of those policies.
It is bad, but not that bad. The percent of Muslims in France is 10%. In the UK it is 6%. That is no where near a majority. Just based on birth rate differentials, it would take a century or more for Muslims to assume the majority in either country. But this assumes that the European countries will start acting responsibly towards their own majority population and will end uncontrolled immigration. They also need to deport the trouble-makers, which probably number in the tens of thousands in each country. Give the immigrants who are peaceful a chance to assimilate and get rid of the rest, either willingly (deportation) or not (death).
But it is that bad when you compare the fertility rates of native French people and the foreign-born and foreign descended popluations. The most common names of those born in France in the last 10 or more years are not French or even European.
Brian, these particular immigrants are of a culture that manifestly believes assimilation with non-Muslims is evil, and that places a premium on out-breeding the invaded peoples until they are forced to convert. It has been happening for 1400 years. Europe has resisted - until now.
The Muslim cultural and religious restrictions apparently do not work. The Moorish and Ottoman Empires ruled the Mediterranean region for over 1200 years and still could not push Christianity out of Spain, Greece, Albania and Italy. Islam's Achilles Heel is this restriction that takes away all human self-determination. Humans will always rebel against that, even Muslims themselves. America itself is a product of religious restrictions in the UK
Give the immigrants who are peaceful a chance to assimilate and get rid of the rest, either willingly (deportation) or not (death).
Not that I disagree, I do however have a question...How Do You Do That? How is peaceful and who isn't? A lot of these (alien) "protestors" are 2nd/3rd generation immigrants.
Assimilation is a requirement of citizenship in most countries. It is in America. Anyone seeking citizenship must swear an oath of allegiance to America and the flag. This is also a requirement of any elected official. If later that person is found to be disloyal or to have lied on the oath, it is a felony and can be given a prison sentence, or deported if an immigrant. Naturalization fraud and knowingly procuring citizenship illegally carry a sentence of up to 10 years in federal prison under 18 U.S.C. § 1425, and the automatic revocation (denaturalization) of U.S. citizenship. This is one of the charges Ilhan Omar faces, in addition to possible financial fraud.
Over the last 40-50 years, we have seen Western elites import hostile populations in to displace their native peoples, even as they were exporting their jobs to foreign countries. The underlying theme is not race, it is a class struggle for elites to regain total control of their populations. As is usually the case, the racial dimension is an overlay of what is fundamentally a labor issue.
The answer in France, the UK, Spain and America is "deportation". Get rid of the immigrant rioters / terrorists. They can't really be "revolutionaries" because they are not citizens. Any non-citizen participating in or leading violent rioting are terrorists by definition. "Arrest, detain, prosecute and deport". That is the only answer for the West, shorting of shooting and killing the protestors, another less desirable option.
We've seen this playbook before, many times. Doesn't matter if it's a socialist or islamist revolution, but it always begins with student rebellions led by political operatives who have nothing to do with the protests & concerns of the students. The people are horrified with the violence of the student insurrections (because it's their sons and daughters) and they bend to their will and usher in, often by vote, the socialist chairman or the islamist imam, who then proceeds to round-up, imprison, and execute the students who carried out their revolution. In every case, the socialist/islamist revolution ends up as the mortal game of Last Man Standing.
Except the Caucasian socialists and the Arab Islamists share absolutely nothing in common other than overthrow of the passive democratic governments. Socialists are for authoritarian control of the population, the state replacing religion, state ownership of all property and a single party that shares the spoils and lax morality. Islam is for authoritarian control under Sharia law, religion (Islam) replacing state, limited capitalism with profits paying for the religious leadership, and harsh moral codes derived from the Quran. The two cannot co-exist for long, even if successful. So there would be a secondary battle between socialists and Islamists if they ever succeed in displacing democratic governance
You are right that the two cannot co-exist for long. Only as long as one is useful to the other, then it's show trials & public hangings or bullets to the back of the head in a basement. In the words of the immortals: There can be only one. The cycle begins again within the winning side where the goal becomes to be the last man standing.
Absolutely true, though Islam is in fact a religion. It is not collectivist in the sense of Marxism. There is still capitalism in every present Muslim society. The bazaars are famous for their capitalism. Islamist countries are poor at creating large multi-national corporations, though, due to their religious fanaticism. You can call Islam "leftist" due to radicalism, which is a hallmark of the left (extreme change vs. the status quo). But it is very "right" in its adherence to the 1400 year old orthodoxy of the Quran
The Muslims and communists will work against the elites now. But the real violence will be between them as neither one is compatible with the other and both view violence as the only acceptable means of survival
Look at Europe. France had "no go zones" 15 years ago. Look at London. Look at areas in the U.S. They won't conquer if they're deported...The Middle East....is predominantly Muslim. Last I read there are over 2 billion Muslims in the world. Just a passing fad?
I'm asking who is bring them there: Giving them plane tickets. Paying their keep. Not solving the many problems, over years and years and years, but cultivating them. TPTB are not that stupid.
The end is the destruction of Western Civilization. The end for Muslims is complete and total world conquest. They want Islam world wide. Who brings them? Other Muslim countries finance them and Globalists want to use them to destroy traditional Western values and nations. The Left and Islam will be bedfellows until they either win or lose.
Islam has spread almost purely through conquest for 1400 years. The middle eastern map used to be mostly Christian. The answer to "cui bono" is the Global Caliphate.
When is the last time Islam actually conquered a country with an alien culture?
A modern-day "simulation" is already-Islamic Iran, who, in response to being abused by the West for decades, turned into a theocracy in 1979, one that today is obviously not terribly popular internally. Otherwise, the movement has been stagnant for at least a century, probably far longer. The culture of Islam is no match against those inside the home countries of the West; it is simply a tool being used to destabilize the West.
France is the example the DSA touted openly until a couple weeks ago. But it’s obvious that having the government assume operation of large parts of the economy leads economic malaise, always has always will, and the result is riots and bloodshed because the state cannot meet expectations.
It has never been different anywhere and it won’t be any different in the USA.
Are centrist Americans really upset enough over gas prices (lower than Europe) to vote this mess in.
Take the long view in Iran, Trump is doing everything possible to avoid having Iran become the second country to be nuked because that is where it’s going if the insane can’t be forced to give up their own quest for nukes
Imagine a nuke in these protestors’ possession and then realize that it is supplied by Iran. This is what Trump is trying to prevent. We can’t let these Democrat socialists (communists) infiltrate our government.
France is already a nuclear armed power. They won’t have to wait on Iran. The UK is also a nuclear armed power and how’s that working out over there? Not any better than France, if not worse.
If either the UK or France loses control of their nuclear stockpiles then all bets are off. The Doomsday Cult won't have to wait for Climate Change to ruin the planet.
Very well said. Right on point. Not sure what nuking Iran would accomplish, however. The Shi'a leadership is dispersed throughout the country and dug in. Nuking Tehran would maybe get a layer of leadership but would not destroy the IRGC. This is not Imperial Japan which actually cared about the lives of its citizens in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Iranian mullahs could care less about citizens or life itself. Shi'ite Islam is a death cult. Think back to the Iranian human wave assaults on Iraq in the 1980s where hundreds of thousands of lives, women and children, were sacrificed for nothing
Refusing to take the long view on anything, is the central feature of a two and four year political "business cycle." Observing how easily people are swayed to vote against their own best interests, induces a sense of horrified fascination.
Oh those pesky rambunctious students! They’re only upset because they didn’t have enough teachers and their classrooms needed fresh paint.
This is the Left doing what the Left has always done. Use any unrest as an excuse to create chaos. And the fact that France, like most of Europe, has invited the largely Muslim third world into its country has given the traditional
If only the rioters understood that "the elites" are using unchecked immigration to destroy the very people who are rioting ... they are too stupid to make the connection.
I have always been fascinated by the collapse of empires and the reasons for their failure. One hypothesis I have been considering is: "Success can plant the seeds of its own failure."
"One hypothesis I have been considering is: "Success can plant the seeds of its own failure."
A hypothesis worthy of deep consideration.
Success breeds hubris among the heedless. Complacency results, because few understand the role of entropy. The systems, processes and procedures upon which that initial success rely, must be assiduously maintained.
Sasha - According to Grok, the Yellow Vests aren’t left or right, but rather anti-elite, wanting more taxes on the wealthy, though not explicitly anti-immigrant.
I do not think so.
Before emotional maturity (SELF-control or free will), the individual is collectivist. Always. They are Marxist and not rational INDIVIDUALs. Critically, freedom and capitalism require rationality, initiated with free will.
Accordingly, they feel left behind. THEY ARE, in fact, being left behind. Public education, because it no longer develops critical thinking (free will), is the cause.
They only know what they have been told, and that does not present a future these Marxists have a role in. Instead, they are Marxist (collectivist) automatons (human AI).
Sapiens, in contrast, can reason (critically think).
The best analysis of the French riots has been given by Charles Gave in this recent interview. In brief he says "the kids are not happy, they have not been taught who they are. A nation is a willingness to live together and sharing a common history. We haven't given them the common history."
Significant parallels to the cultural zeitgeist in America.
Gave fingers those responsible. And finds hope in France's looming financial crisis.
Sorry to be skeptical, but I’ve come to the conclusion that 90% of contemporary politics is distraction amplified by the news media who are, themselves, primarily political actors. So much sensationalism, so little understanding. France appears to be having serious national financial problems, and is not really functioning as a representative democracy, but localized(?) riots (funded / facilitated by?) are what we are shown. It makes you wonder how real any of the news is.
This has nothing to do with schools or they wouldn't be burning them down. This is a Islamic driven insurrection and it is in fact our future if we continue to allow it to flourish
This is more about Islamic conquest than anything else.
Correct. There is a big intifada aspect to these riots, but the larger truth is that France is demographically doomed. The rioters will be the rulers in a generation or so. The ruling elite in France, the UK and elsewhere, during the past 30 years, invited hostile populations into their countries, and supported those newcomers with free housing and other benefits. What we are seeing is the logical result of those policies.
"invited hostile populations" sums it up succinctly.
demographically and Economically doomed.
It is bad, but not that bad. The percent of Muslims in France is 10%. In the UK it is 6%. That is no where near a majority. Just based on birth rate differentials, it would take a century or more for Muslims to assume the majority in either country. But this assumes that the European countries will start acting responsibly towards their own majority population and will end uncontrolled immigration. They also need to deport the trouble-makers, which probably number in the tens of thousands in each country. Give the immigrants who are peaceful a chance to assimilate and get rid of the rest, either willingly (deportation) or not (death).
But it is that bad when you compare the fertility rates of native French people and the foreign-born and foreign descended popluations. The most common names of those born in France in the last 10 or more years are not French or even European.
Brian, these particular immigrants are of a culture that manifestly believes assimilation with non-Muslims is evil, and that places a premium on out-breeding the invaded peoples until they are forced to convert. It has been happening for 1400 years. Europe has resisted - until now.
The Muslim cultural and religious restrictions apparently do not work. The Moorish and Ottoman Empires ruled the Mediterranean region for over 1200 years and still could not push Christianity out of Spain, Greece, Albania and Italy. Islam's Achilles Heel is this restriction that takes away all human self-determination. Humans will always rebel against that, even Muslims themselves. America itself is a product of religious restrictions in the UK
Give the immigrants who are peaceful a chance to assimilate and get rid of the rest, either willingly (deportation) or not (death).
Not that I disagree, I do however have a question...How Do You Do That? How is peaceful and who isn't? A lot of these (alien) "protestors" are 2nd/3rd generation immigrants.
The question is whether they want to assimilate. Many do not.
Assimilation is a requirement of citizenship in most countries. It is in America. Anyone seeking citizenship must swear an oath of allegiance to America and the flag. This is also a requirement of any elected official. If later that person is found to be disloyal or to have lied on the oath, it is a felony and can be given a prison sentence, or deported if an immigrant. Naturalization fraud and knowingly procuring citizenship illegally carry a sentence of up to 10 years in federal prison under 18 U.S.C. § 1425, and the automatic revocation (denaturalization) of U.S. citizenship. This is one of the charges Ilhan Omar faces, in addition to possible financial fraud.
If you want the entire oath, you can read it hear: https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america
I suspect your data is from corrupted and untrustworthy sources.
Such data might make you feel good, but keep in mind
that only a small number of gangsters can wreck havoc.
Much easier to burn a cathedral down in a day, than to build it over a decade.
Over the last 40-50 years, we have seen Western elites import hostile populations in to displace their native peoples, even as they were exporting their jobs to foreign countries. The underlying theme is not race, it is a class struggle for elites to regain total control of their populations. As is usually the case, the racial dimension is an overlay of what is fundamentally a labor issue.
The answer in France, the UK, Spain and America is "deportation". Get rid of the immigrant rioters / terrorists. They can't really be "revolutionaries" because they are not citizens. Any non-citizen participating in or leading violent rioting are terrorists by definition. "Arrest, detain, prosecute and deport". That is the only answer for the West, shorting of shooting and killing the protestors, another less desirable option.
if the multitude of "freebies" these illegals receive were cut off, most would self-deport.
The fraud $ brings them here and keeps them here.
Yes, it is.
Be brave, America.
We've seen this playbook before, many times. Doesn't matter if it's a socialist or islamist revolution, but it always begins with student rebellions led by political operatives who have nothing to do with the protests & concerns of the students. The people are horrified with the violence of the student insurrections (because it's their sons and daughters) and they bend to their will and usher in, often by vote, the socialist chairman or the islamist imam, who then proceeds to round-up, imprison, and execute the students who carried out their revolution. In every case, the socialist/islamist revolution ends up as the mortal game of Last Man Standing.
Except the Caucasian socialists and the Arab Islamists share absolutely nothing in common other than overthrow of the passive democratic governments. Socialists are for authoritarian control of the population, the state replacing religion, state ownership of all property and a single party that shares the spoils and lax morality. Islam is for authoritarian control under Sharia law, religion (Islam) replacing state, limited capitalism with profits paying for the religious leadership, and harsh moral codes derived from the Quran. The two cannot co-exist for long, even if successful. So there would be a secondary battle between socialists and Islamists if they ever succeed in displacing democratic governance
You are right that the two cannot co-exist for long. Only as long as one is useful to the other, then it's show trials & public hangings or bullets to the back of the head in a basement. In the words of the immortals: There can be only one. The cycle begins again within the winning side where the goal becomes to be the last man standing.
Only because Islam is a Leftist (collectivist) ideology, not a religion.
The Western rot is Marxism.
Absolutely true, though Islam is in fact a religion. It is not collectivist in the sense of Marxism. There is still capitalism in every present Muslim society. The bazaars are famous for their capitalism. Islamist countries are poor at creating large multi-national corporations, though, due to their religious fanaticism. You can call Islam "leftist" due to radicalism, which is a hallmark of the left (extreme change vs. the status quo). But it is very "right" in its adherence to the 1400 year old orthodoxy of the Quran
The Muslims and communists will work against the elites now. But the real violence will be between them as neither one is compatible with the other and both view violence as the only acceptable means of survival
Islam isn't going to conquer anything. Just look at the Middle East.
They have been actively invited to populate the West as quickly as possible mainly to create chaos, some as instigators, many as victims.
The question we are being trained to ignore is, "Cui bono?"
Look at Europe. France had "no go zones" 15 years ago. Look at London. Look at areas in the U.S. They won't conquer if they're deported...The Middle East....is predominantly Muslim. Last I read there are over 2 billion Muslims in the world. Just a passing fad?
I'm asking who is bring them there: Giving them plane tickets. Paying their keep. Not solving the many problems, over years and years and years, but cultivating them. TPTB are not that stupid.
The end is the destruction of Western Civilization. The end for Muslims is complete and total world conquest. They want Islam world wide. Who brings them? Other Muslim countries finance them and Globalists want to use them to destroy traditional Western values and nations. The Left and Islam will be bedfellows until they either win or lose.
Still more Christians than Muslims
Islam has spread almost purely through conquest for 1400 years. The middle eastern map used to be mostly Christian. The answer to "cui bono" is the Global Caliphate.
When is the last time Islam actually conquered a country with an alien culture?
A modern-day "simulation" is already-Islamic Iran, who, in response to being abused by the West for decades, turned into a theocracy in 1979, one that today is obviously not terribly popular internally. Otherwise, the movement has been stagnant for at least a century, probably far longer. The culture of Islam is no match against those inside the home countries of the West; it is simply a tool being used to destabilize the West.
France is the example the DSA touted openly until a couple weeks ago. But it’s obvious that having the government assume operation of large parts of the economy leads economic malaise, always has always will, and the result is riots and bloodshed because the state cannot meet expectations.
It has never been different anywhere and it won’t be any different in the USA.
Are centrist Americans really upset enough over gas prices (lower than Europe) to vote this mess in.
Take the long view in Iran, Trump is doing everything possible to avoid having Iran become the second country to be nuked because that is where it’s going if the insane can’t be forced to give up their own quest for nukes
Imagine a nuke in these protestors’ possession and then realize that it is supplied by Iran. This is what Trump is trying to prevent. We can’t let these Democrat socialists (communists) infiltrate our government.
France is already a nuclear armed power. They won’t have to wait on Iran. The UK is also a nuclear armed power and how’s that working out over there? Not any better than France, if not worse.
If either the UK or France loses control of their nuclear stockpiles then all bets are off. The Doomsday Cult won't have to wait for Climate Change to ruin the planet.
Very well said. Right on point. Not sure what nuking Iran would accomplish, however. The Shi'a leadership is dispersed throughout the country and dug in. Nuking Tehran would maybe get a layer of leadership but would not destroy the IRGC. This is not Imperial Japan which actually cared about the lives of its citizens in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Iranian mullahs could care less about citizens or life itself. Shi'ite Islam is a death cult. Think back to the Iranian human wave assaults on Iraq in the 1980s where hundreds of thousands of lives, women and children, were sacrificed for nothing
"Take the long view in Iran"
Refusing to take the long view on anything, is the central feature of a two and four year political "business cycle." Observing how easily people are swayed to vote against their own best interests, induces a sense of horrified fascination.
No Golden Age in France.
They had their golden age in the 1600s under Louis XIVth, the Sun King. He built Versailles to celebrate that age
and people don't see it
I don’t believe the Dems have the outcome for midterms they think they do. Red wave please overcome these socialist hacks.
Robespierre’s ghost is sarcastically chiding, “be careful what you wish for”
Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose.
Oui. c'est toujours le meme chose. Pretty much French history after WW I.
Macron’s favorability is in the teens. Good luck trying to calm the situation.
I don’t think the US can save France this time. The best we can do is a hasty about-face and stop following them down this road.
The French are revolting!
Is revolting an adjective in this case?
It does many duties regarding the French.
I don't think it's actually the french
Actually they are. Lots of little white darlings to go along with the Muslim hordes and now the gilets jaunes have joined in. Sacre bleu!oo
Oh those pesky rambunctious students! They’re only upset because they didn’t have enough teachers and their classrooms needed fresh paint.
This is the Left doing what the Left has always done. Use any unrest as an excuse to create chaos. And the fact that France, like most of Europe, has invited the largely Muslim third world into its country has given the traditional
If only the rioters understood that "the elites" are using unchecked immigration to destroy the very people who are rioting ... they are too stupid to make the connection.
Not a mistake. Part of the plan to destroy the West. But the rioters are stupid enough to believe government can create wealth.
I have always been fascinated by the collapse of empires and the reasons for their failure. One hypothesis I have been considering is: "Success can plant the seeds of its own failure."
"One hypothesis I have been considering is: "Success can plant the seeds of its own failure."
A hypothesis worthy of deep consideration.
Success breeds hubris among the heedless. Complacency results, because few understand the role of entropy. The systems, processes and procedures upon which that initial success rely, must be assiduously maintained.
But the NFL game in Paris is still going to happen.
No way!
Sasha - According to Grok, the Yellow Vests aren’t left or right, but rather anti-elite, wanting more taxes on the wealthy, though not explicitly anti-immigrant.
I do not think so.
Before emotional maturity (SELF-control or free will), the individual is collectivist. Always. They are Marxist and not rational INDIVIDUALs. Critically, freedom and capitalism require rationality, initiated with free will.
Accordingly, they feel left behind. THEY ARE, in fact, being left behind. Public education, because it no longer develops critical thinking (free will), is the cause.
They only know what they have been told, and that does not present a future these Marxists have a role in. Instead, they are Marxist (collectivist) automatons (human AI).
Sapiens, in contrast, can reason (critically think).
The best analysis of the French riots has been given by Charles Gave in this recent interview. In brief he says "the kids are not happy, they have not been taught who they are. A nation is a willingness to live together and sharing a common history. We haven't given them the common history."
Significant parallels to the cultural zeitgeist in America.
Gave fingers those responsible. And finds hope in France's looming financial crisis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCMVhvithX0&t=12s
Sorry to be skeptical, but I’ve come to the conclusion that 90% of contemporary politics is distraction amplified by the news media who are, themselves, primarily political actors. So much sensationalism, so little understanding. France appears to be having serious national financial problems, and is not really functioning as a representative democracy, but localized(?) riots (funded / facilitated by?) are what we are shown. It makes you wonder how real any of the news is.
This has nothing to do with schools or they wouldn't be burning them down. This is a Islamic driven insurrection and it is in fact our future if we continue to allow it to flourish