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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Vance rose above the hate last night. The other consequential speech last night was Bobby Kennedy's. In a way, they bookend each other.

234's avatar
Sep 11Edited

Losing the midterms is not as frightening as some suggest. Yes, it will render Trump a lame duck, but will also expose Democrats for the losers with no message (other than Orange Man Bad) they are. Yes, Trump may be impeached again, but will never be removed from office.

Meanwhile, as Democrats are further exposed, it will bode well for 2028.

Playing the long game is always better and more successful.

ManAlone's avatar

How much more exposed can they be? If they control Congress they will not only derail Trump but will pass damaging legislation that will be hard to undo later, along with wasteful spending. Remember Dems vote in lockstep no matter how stupid their leadership is.

MU2002's avatar

He’ll veto anything that comes out of that shitshow.

ManAlone's avatar

I would love to have faith in that, but also remember Trump is a deal maker. I can imagine him being in a quid pro quo position.

Jen Todd's avatar

We do not need more of what we've already seen from the dems. 2.0 will be no different. Hard pass.

Rick's avatar

Trump would veto any stupid shit the Democrats tried.

ManAlone's avatar

The veto only gets you so far. I don't see them getting majorities big enough to override, if they did then impeachment would sail through, too. But, I can see them holding up funding for DoD and Trump having to make a deal to end a shutdown. And let's not forget the cover a Dem majority would give weak Republicans, especially in the Senate, to vote against Trump, too.

Rick's avatar

What you are dancing around is that the Democrats are absolute traitors.

Not most, just the well known ones.

Most would fail a 5th grade civics test.

Steve S's avatar

Such actions by the Democrats if they take Congress will help Republicans in 2028. No way Democrats win so big in the midterms they can override Trump's veto.

Steve S's avatar

Controlling Congress won't prevent Trump from vetoing any damaging legislation they try to pass.

Beth Nicolaides's avatar

A good negotiator, unlike, say, the aloof, preening Obama, will get down and dirty and strike a deal with any member of Congress wishing for re-election. In my roughly 46 years of political observation, a president does better if Congress is controlled by the opposing party.

Not that I want Drmocrats, in their present aggro pod people form to be in charge, but just sayin'. Adversity make people strong. A split government wakes politicians up, as well.

Sandra Pinches's avatar

''Drmocrats, in their present aggro pod people form''

LOL!!!

Steve's avatar

Winning is Always better than Losing.

JBell's avatar

It is VERY frightening! Let's not find out how bad it could be!

John Boy West's avatar

Agreed, but the shortsighted idiocy of New Yorkers voting for Mamdani in the 25th anniversary year of 9/11 is scary. 40% of NYC is foreign born and the 20 million new voters that snuck over the border are the new normal. Oh dear!

LilDawg's avatar

i was just there john, and that’s what stood out, where r the new yawkers.

Roberta L's avatar

How much exposure do people need?!!

Texyz's avatar

Amen....I'm still reeling from all the 'exposure' we got in the anything-goes Biden era. We definitely know who they are now, and we can NEVER, EVER let them have power again. They are hateful Godless pagans who will enslave us, tax us, rape us...you name it. They are hell on Earth. VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!

sooz's avatar

The Democrats continue to reveal themselves and are blind to the fact.

Roger Holberg's avatar

I don't think they are blind. I think they actually believe that they and their policies are wonderful and that people will vote for them with the right messaging and the medias' demonization of their opponents. I live in a VERY blue area and, believe me, they are arrogant narcissists who believe they are the smartest and bestest people in the universe and are entitled to rule.

sooz's avatar

Agreed. They believe they are revealing themselves as righteous/best/entitled. Blind to the insanity they actually reveal to half the country - zero self-awareness.

234's avatar

I don't disagree. They may be blind to so out of touch they are, but I'm guessing you refer to the old guard Democrats. The DSA wing is far more dangerous, but those elected will be in a very small minority, like the squad....for now.

Old guard Dems will have to figure out how they fuse the DSA into the party, but my bet is DSA will be short-lived.

Either way, if they win in Nov. they can impede, obstruct, & impeach all they want, to no avail at all. And unless they come up with a message or we have an economic catastrophe, they will lose in 2028.

ResistWeMuch's avatar

do thw world a favor and a run a few of them over.

Pam Humphrey's avatar

resistwemuch....who read that? sharpton?

Roger Holberg's avatar

I'd like to. There should be a bounty on them. But alas....

Michael Jennings's avatar

They are certainly smarter than MAGA supporters.

Roger Holberg's avatar

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel good about yourself (the basis of most Leftist beliefs). Credentialed doesn't mean smarter.

None's avatar

Democrats can’t even define what a woman is.

Rick's avatar

The "long game" has begun. The Republicans need to continue to repair.

A setback would not be good for anyone except the communists.

YOU must get out and vote Nov 3 , and convince another 5 people to do so also.

Pacificus's avatar

Bingo, 234. Let's keep the Senate, give the Dems the House, and let them reveal what fools they are, just in time for '28. Yep, long game here.

Roberta L's avatar

Any longer, we'll lose the country.

Ruth H's avatar

No, we need the House. The House is responsible for spending/funding. Two years of Hakeem would be horrible and tie up our nation in so many bad ways. We cannot let Dems gain power in Congress. We’ve seen already how badly they legislate and will be even worse.

KEVIN PEARSON's avatar

If we keep a full majority in the Senate and barely lose the House, I have a secret high-risk nuclear option that would destroy the Democrat Party once and for all.

If the GOP holds both chambers with an outright majority, on New Year's, Trump can resign and make Vance president. The GOP led house and Senate approve Trump as JD's Vice president

JD runs as an incumbent in 2028 with Trump as running máte and then after inauguration, JD resigns and Trump is president until 2033.

At that point, the red states will gain 15-25 house seats and Electoral votes and now that the Democrats have normalized the weaponization of gerrymandering, 270 and 218 will be permanently unreachable for the Democrats

Pacificus's avatar

Yes, well aware what House does... My point: losing it is not the end of the world (losing both H and Senate might be). Gives us something to run against in '28.

KEVIN PEARSON's avatar

If the GOP holds the Senate with an outright majority and lose the house by a thin margin, I have a secret high-risk nuclear option that destroy the Democrat Party forever

ResistWeMuch's avatar

In a way, he wouldnt be a lame duck, as hed spend a lot of tine antagonising dems to show more craziness.

Rick's avatar

He says what he thinks. That’s rare among elected officials.

Dave Begley's avatar

I liked the speech, but this Tucker thing really worries me. He needs to repudiate that guy.

I also like Rubio and Desantis. This will be an exciting and interesting.

Any one of the three would crush the Dem.

Texyz's avatar

I like 'em all too, especially Desantis who has lots of executive experience. But in the reality of the world we live in today, sad as it is, I dont think they would crush the Dem, just beat them. I'd settle for any kind of win....

Luke Lea's avatar

I do wish DeSantis would take some lessons in rhetoric. I know it's just words, but words matter. Especially stirring words.

Texyz's avatar

....if you say so. Its Trump's rhetoric that keeps me off-balance, but I did vote for him 3 times...

Dena's avatar

Interesting Rubio wasn’t at the convention. I think he’s great, more seasoned than Vance. But I’d support either in 28. If R’s vote they win the midterms.

madaboutmd's avatar

Wonder if that was a decision around security. Having them all there could be perilous. Sadly...

John Boy West's avatar

DeSantis is the most impressive for his executive experience, Rubio is brilliant and has the hispanic vote behind him. J D is competent and has the Indian vote — what a deep bench we have — but the MSM will vilify them all, and our colleges are turning out clueless haters.

Eric Gordon's avatar

I like J.D.

Reminds me of the line from S. E. Hinton's "Rumble Fish"

"If you're going to lead people, you've got to have somewhere to go."

~The Motorcycle Boy

Matt L.'s avatar

Great book! The ‘Outsiders’ by Hinton was also terrific.

“Maybe the two different worlds we lived in weren't so different. We saw the same sunset.”

- Ponyboy, highlighting the shared humanity between the rival Greasers and Socs.

Tony Devlin's avatar

All this and a "Rumble Fish" quote? Nice.

Eric Gordon's avatar

I'm GenX, came of age in the 70's and 80's. My spirit animals are John Hughes and S.E. Hinton...🤷‍♂️

Mark Leone's avatar

You think Trump will resign or be successfully impeached if the Dems win the midterms??? That seems extremely unlikely, to say the least...even if they win. They won't have 66 votes in the Senate to remove him under even the most dire election scenario. The risk is they hamstring his presidency as they did in Trump 1.0. But that playbook won't work any better in 2027 than it did in 2017. Every strength as well as every weakness of Trump would militate against him resigning his presidency.

P.M. Summer's avatar

I believe 47 is at a far greater risk of Leftist lead poisoning than Leftist impeachment.

KARYN TRUITT's avatar

Trump wouldn't resign. But the liberal left can sure try to (again) impeach him...

Pam Humphrey's avatar

what a waste of time and money but I wouldn't put it past them!

Luke Lea's avatar

Haven't listened yet but would like to point out that DeSantis has a proven track record of getting things done in Florida. In my opinion, his eight years of executive experience (plus time in Congress) should not be dismissed.

Alan Sewell's avatar

I live in Florida, and know DeSantis is the most excellent of many fine governors we've had. I am 100% agreed with everything he does, including prodding the legislature to place a constitutional amendment on the ballot in November to reduce property taxes by up to 50% on homes typically owned by the middle class.

But I think he needs more seasoning in a Cabinet level position before running for President. If J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio are our next President, he should get a top position in their Cabinet.

Luke Lea's avatar

VP would be better, at least in the long run. We'll see.

Steve S's avatar

What seasoning did Trump have in a Cabinet level position? Answer: none.

Alan Sewell's avatar

DeSantis isn't Trump.

madaboutmd's avatar

Yep. Not even close.

Steve's avatar

"Some may have had their doubts about JD Vance being the successor to Trump in 2028,"

1. I'm a Conservative Republican. That means in a General Election, if you have a R behind your name, you've got my support & vote.

2. Its Sept. 11 2026 Waaaaay to early to choose a candidate to support. "I support the rightward most *viable candidate." WF Buckley jr.

* Viable being the operative word. You may have The Best Plans in the history of Plans, but if you can't win (50%+1) I've got no use for you in an election.

Pam Humphrey's avatar

we play that here in Massachusetts and if i'm going to vote for a dem lite I may as well vote for the real thing. we need people who actually believe in what they say! we had a republican candidatesfor governor who actually supported healy's barbaric abortion up until birth law! disgusting!

Steve's avatar

I live in Minnesota (MPLS actually) Tell me about it. The Problem We Republicans have in state wide elections is the 7 county metro area one of if not THE Bluest areas in the country.

madaboutmd's avatar

No different than IL / Chicago.

We moved from IL to WI and now we fight multiple cities (mostly the university cities) of Milwaukee, Madison, Eau Claire, and Green Bay!

Richard's avatar

A 40 minute political speech exceeds my tolerance level, so I will have to take your word for it. Fortunately, I have found your word to be reliable.

Steve's avatar

How A WHOLE 40 minutes! /snark

IMinLA's avatar

I worked on stuff while listening 😆 That's the only way I can do it.

Petey Kay's avatar

I was at the "convention" yesterday. Rode with a neighbor and her friend who are both originally from Thailand and are big Trump fans. Place was jampacked and the energy was high. Quite fun to see Trump, Vance and all the familiar names.

Dave Begley's avatar

We need to launch simultaneous and multi-prong attack immediately.

1. Bomb Pickaxe MT.

2. Invade and capture Karq Island.

3. Wipe out the current rung of leadership. Israel knows where they are.

4. The Crown Prince leads - and I mean he's at the tip of the spear - an invasion where they capture a provincial town.

5. Bomb a few bridges and a power plant to show them we mean business.

6. Hit some military barracks.

7. Hit some police stations.

8. Activate the opposition who hopefully have been armed by us.

steven t koenig's avatar

It would be simpler , cheaper and more effective to just give Israel some weaponry and a green light to finish it

Steve S's avatar

Agree with you only insofar as Israel has proven itself to be our only ally willing to assist us, when asked, in this conflict with Iran.

Texyz's avatar

....yes times 7, but # 8....hopefully armed by us. THAT is a big one. The Persian people must be armed if the IRGC is going to be eliminated. I really hope something is going on behind the scenes, and that the timing of all you said will coincide perfectly with Nov 3.

Deborah Conte's avatar

I would also add I like that RFK is on Trump team.

Robert Chandler's avatar

The survival of the Democratic Party is the big question nobody is talking about.

They never since the end of WWII have looked this bad.

quarkdetector's avatar

...the democrats, dsa, or whatever they choose to call themselves ... today have solidified their place in history ... today while the names of the victims were being read out by family members ... AOC and Mamdani were shown live laughing it up ... THESE are the democrats ... no matter what tedious words they speak ... this is the respect they have for America and Americans ...

Pam Humphrey's avatar

they are planning more "No Kings" so they have that going for them!

Robert Chandler's avatar

“AOC and Mamdani” Two names I hope will soon be obscure footnotes to the history of the fall of the Democrat Party

We need something that’s like the Democratic Party once was 1560 years ago.

We don’t need something like what the Democratic Party

has devolved into today.

JJoshua's avatar

Speech was great but will fall on deaf ears.

Today’s inflation numbers will almost guarantee a rate increase which should have been done already.

This Iran war is a YUGE problem for the President. This war will go into 2027 easily.

It’s the economy stupid.

Piasabird's avatar

And the economy is stupid. You can’t fix inflation in two years. Especially when you have rogue governors doing everything to obstruct and facilitate corruption, criminals and spending. The dems have aided negative zero to correct anything to help American citizens.

JJoshua's avatar

While I agree, the voting public doesn’t view it that way.

Piasabird's avatar

And they are being told inflation did not come down since Biden. And has held steady,. Gas has risen as it always does during conflict. Somehow it feels like blackmail.

Piasabird's avatar

And they are being told inflation did not come down since Biden. And has held steady,. Gas has rid

Sue Grinius-Hill's avatar

I worry this is accurate. We have to shift the current scenario. The quagmire in the middle east is hamstringing us. And the IRGC know it and are I'm sure conferring with CAIR and MB to drag it out forever and keep the multi-pronged pressure on the U.S. from inside and out. I like Vance, but have loved Rubio since the little hands incident (and it made me hate Trump at the time; also him calling Carly Fiorina ugly on stage. I'm long over it, but it was truly awful shocking behavior). I still love Rubio muchly. I would appreciate either man in the WH. Vance is balanced and tends to evaluate and express concerns at times that differ with Trump's plans which means he thinks before acting-> healthy. Rubio is smart, passionate and Godly in character. Not afraid to hold others around him to account. He doesn't get flustered by idiots on the left trying their verbal bullying tactics. I love these guys. Tucker is a nut. Some part of his mind is warped now. I don't see Vance bringing him in to any inner circle. Tucker has shot himself in the foot and face at this point. Why is he still operating a show? Let's just stop giving him attention and airtime here. Take the oxygen out. Hereafter known as "the nut/recluse formerly mentioned, but no longer".

APriori's avatar

It’s incredibly stupid to call the extremely justified, effective and efficient war in Iran a “quagmire.” Truly just unbelievable stupidity. If you need a comparison point, it’s *nothing* like Iraq or Afghanistan.

Sue Grinius-Hill's avatar

I agree it is being handled amazingly. When I read about Hegseth's statements, and about new fighting conventions being employed I am impressed. I admire all that is being done. However, the quagmire is with regard to setting expectations with our population, and not meeting those at all. Repeatedly. The majority of our population are not military, and perhaps a generalized statement could be 'are not critical thinkers'. As we get closer to midterms, this feels like a quagmire in that we see no end to it. Natural inclination for many is to think that this is going to be like other wars. (Yet to be seen). News about depleted stocks and stubborn resistance are concerning. I don't know a lot here, but I know this: Prayer is needed.

Roberta L's avatar

"Let's just stop giving him attention and airtime here. Take the oxygen out."

YESSSS! Please!

Alan Sewell's avatar

That was my thought too. Even on TV, he speaks directly to people in a person-to-person way that few candidates master. I spent my young life in Michigan and Ohio, and every word he says about corrupt Wall Street tycoons waging economic jihad against the industrial working class is true. And now Wall Street cartels want to take all the houses off the market and rent them out.

As investors, we must respect and protect the rights of capital from the rapacious maws of Socialists. But we must also respect the rights of workers to have jobs in the United States making the products we consume here.

All rights, of capital and labor, must be equally protected. I believe J.D. Vance will do that. But, being a Floridian now, I immensely admire Marco Rubio. I hope they will agree than only one will run in the 2028 primaries, because it would be the most difficult political decisions of my life to choose between the two.

Pam Humphrey's avatar

I really hope it will be Vance/Rubio!

Roger Holberg's avatar

He's got to repudiate the vile Tucker Carlson or he doesn't get my vote. Period. Full stop.

Pam Humphrey's avatar

he could do it diplomatically but he really needs to do it

JBell's avatar

I thought RFL Jr's was the best speech of the night!