Dolly was a performer, a very good one and she did move gracefully across the stage as she aged. Madonna was a shock artist with a lot of talent, but never learned to adjust as her assets declined.
That is a problem for most actors/celebrities the need to remain relevant and probably why they are so outspoken politically in the most radical way, it gets attention.
Hi Sasha , among males it happens as well .you have fifty and sixty plus year old men dressing and acting like the fifteen to twenty year men . It is pitiful and somewhat sickening.
I'm a 64 year old man soon to be 65 in October. It may sound strange to some but I enjoy being older .
P.S Sasha I think you a still a beautiful woman .not only in physical appearance but more importantly reading your articles and listening to your podcast you have beauty of the heart and mind .
“it’s depressing and horrifying. It looks predatory.” Sasha, it is “predatory”, it was predatory, and since the beginning of time, it’s always been predatory.
jennifer lopez is a member of this same desperation club...
i remember reading somewhere else, someone commented that madonna could have totally rocked her advanced years by showing everyone that you could still have great style and be a trendsetter but use a great haircut and perhaps, a really cool and edgy menswear fashion aesthetic.
or perhaps something along the lines of catherine o'hara's character, moira, on schitt's creek - think of how much attention madonna could have received rocking that style - still flamboyant, still fabulous?!
other notable women showing how to rock growing older:
diane keaton did it.
tilda swinton is doing it.
debbie harry and isabella rossellini are still doing it!
yes, but i think in her head, she's still at the peak of her fame. it's the ongoing delusion: she's constantly trying to recapture those days in everything she does. for me, i think her apex was from like a virgin and through the immaculate collection. it basically ended with her infamous sex book. that, to me, was like the fireworks show on new years eve. it's "wow!" but then its over and done. madonna came up in her fame during a very interesting time in the culture. the beginning of mtv, hiv/aids, the glamour and decadence of the mid-late 80's and early 90's. it was all big and over-the-top. madonna pushed boundaries and societal norms for a period of time. she was a huge part of the culture revolution during that era. but eventually, as things do, they change. and what once was scandalous, became (mostly) accepted. when you are constantly trying to recapture your lost youth, you just become a caricature. it's sad to see what she has become because you also know what she could have been.
Even back then I strained to see her as a.) musically talented and b.) scandalous. Other women singers of the time sang better and showed more skin. Her genius, such as it was, seemed to be in marketing herself.
that's what makes it all so extra sad. the marketing of herself and her ability to reinvent herself. instead of reinventing herself into something fabulous for the age she is NOW, she's trying to recapture her glory days. i agree she wasn't a great singer compared to others, but her boldness and pushing the envelope every chance she could (remember all the scandal around her like a prayer video?!) made her one to watch. you never knew what she was going to do next!
Madonna has become a pathetic shell of herself. If she was really musically talented, like Streisand, she could age gracefully and lean on her singing and not her body and dancing. But she is more a dancer than a singer, which she admitted on the VMA show. She is boxed in by age (she is almost 70, my age!!) We saw what happened to Prince and Michael Jackson whose acts depended heavily on dancing. In their 50s they could not keep up with their age and took to fentanyl based pain killers to deal with joint and muscle pain. Both died from overdose. Hopefully Madonna does not meet that end.
On a related note, whatever happened to Madonna's conversion to Judaism and Kabbalah? She doesn't talk about that much. I am sure to keep her place with the Millennials and GenZs, she has to be pro-Intafada and "River to the Sea". That does not really go well with being Jewish
You've done it again, Sasha, hit the nail on the head - or in this case, the ass. I'm the same age as Madonna and almost feel sorry for her because she's missed what life is really about. That's a presumption, but the fact that she has to keep spreading her legs is a clue.
Thank you! I’m so glad someone said it! I used to be the biggest Madonna fan, but she’s doing way too much now and it’s not a good look. Plus, I think she’s having some medical and mental issues. Sad.
I saw Bob Dylan on stage at some awards show several years ago; I've forgotten which one. He's pushing 80, and he actually acted his age in his performance. It was refreshing to see, but not at all surprising, given his well-known commitment to authentic performance. The same show featured a 70-year-old Eddie Van Halen grabbing his crotch while singing. The contrast was striking.
I liked Madonna's music and also felt some affinity of her being born in 1958, my birth year, along with Michael Jackson and Prince. She had a lot of spunk, being raised in Bay City, Michigan and going to New York City without any money and becoming a legend in a city of talented wanna-be's. Not knowing her in person, it's impossible to know what kind of charisma she might have had when she was young to get her that far. It seems she never let go of her glory days in the 80s, which is unseemly in old age.
The person opposite of her is Peter Frampton. I saw him play about 12 years ago in a small Northern Michigan theater seating about 2,000, whereas he'd filled stadiums of 50 times as big when young. He was still as excellent as he used to be in his prime, as were others like Carlos Santana and Dionne Warwick who played those small theaters, giving their performances with as much energy as when young.
Peter Frampton said his Rock Star life was pretty tame now. He'd married a woman from Cincinnati and lived there, so she could be close to her family. That's how most people age gracefully. He said he liked playing the little venues where he could be close to his audience, because it gratified him just as much to see us enjoying his music as when he'd played for much larger crowds in his prime. When he finished the show, he got a standing ovation that went on for minutes. We were celebrating his life and character as well as his music.
I don't think Madonna is one whose life you'd celebrate in old age, though you can still admire her when she was young and at her best.
When I was a local director for Child Evangelism Fellowship I gave a presentation at churches in an effort to get them to support Good News Clubs in the public schools. Part of my PowerPoint had a photo of Madonna as a little girl in her communion dress. It was part of a game I called, "Name That Sinner!" I had to give a lot of clues before anyone would get it right. My point was that even Madonna started well. But it's the ending that matters. And now we are there...
Madonna could have learned a few things from Dolly Parton
We all could.
Dolly was a performer, a very good one and she did move gracefully across the stage as she aged. Madonna was a shock artist with a lot of talent, but never learned to adjust as her assets declined.
Or Marlene Dietrich. It’s possible to stay sexy in an age-appropriate way.
Narcissists always try to remain relevant.
Any sane, normal person who had Madonna’s kind of money would just enjoy retirement out of the public life.
If I had that wealth I’d be traveling the world enjoying retirement.
She has no real meaning. Retirement scares the buttocks off her. How would she begin to remain relevant ?
That is a problem for most actors/celebrities the need to remain relevant and probably why they are so outspoken politically in the most radical way, it gets attention.
"Grandma forgot her pants again."
"Well at least this time she remembered her XXL Depends."
🤣😂
If Madonna is grandma, what is Cher?
Why, GGMa—great grandmother, of course!
Hi Sasha , among males it happens as well .you have fifty and sixty plus year old men dressing and acting like the fifteen to twenty year men . It is pitiful and somewhat sickening.
I'm a 64 year old man soon to be 65 in October. It may sound strange to some but I enjoy being older .
P.S Sasha I think you a still a beautiful woman .not only in physical appearance but more importantly reading your articles and listening to your podcast you have beauty of the heart and mind .
Thank you for what you do
Agreed. To grow old gracefully and thankfully is a blessing and exudes its own kind of beauty.
I agree, compression socks with sandals and bermuda shorts just feels good
“it’s depressing and horrifying. It looks predatory.” Sasha, it is “predatory”, it was predatory, and since the beginning of time, it’s always been predatory.
jennifer lopez is a member of this same desperation club...
i remember reading somewhere else, someone commented that madonna could have totally rocked her advanced years by showing everyone that you could still have great style and be a trendsetter but use a great haircut and perhaps, a really cool and edgy menswear fashion aesthetic.
or perhaps something along the lines of catherine o'hara's character, moira, on schitt's creek - think of how much attention madonna could have received rocking that style - still flamboyant, still fabulous?!
other notable women showing how to rock growing older:
diane keaton did it.
tilda swinton is doing it.
debbie harry and isabella rossellini are still doing it!
You inadvertantly hit the nail on the head.
Madonna's life has become a search for "setting trends."
yes, but i think in her head, she's still at the peak of her fame. it's the ongoing delusion: she's constantly trying to recapture those days in everything she does. for me, i think her apex was from like a virgin and through the immaculate collection. it basically ended with her infamous sex book. that, to me, was like the fireworks show on new years eve. it's "wow!" but then its over and done. madonna came up in her fame during a very interesting time in the culture. the beginning of mtv, hiv/aids, the glamour and decadence of the mid-late 80's and early 90's. it was all big and over-the-top. madonna pushed boundaries and societal norms for a period of time. she was a huge part of the culture revolution during that era. but eventually, as things do, they change. and what once was scandalous, became (mostly) accepted. when you are constantly trying to recapture your lost youth, you just become a caricature. it's sad to see what she has become because you also know what she could have been.
Even back then I strained to see her as a.) musically talented and b.) scandalous. Other women singers of the time sang better and showed more skin. Her genius, such as it was, seemed to be in marketing herself.
that's what makes it all so extra sad. the marketing of herself and her ability to reinvent herself. instead of reinventing herself into something fabulous for the age she is NOW, she's trying to recapture her glory days. i agree she wasn't a great singer compared to others, but her boldness and pushing the envelope every chance she could (remember all the scandal around her like a prayer video?!) made her one to watch. you never knew what she was going to do next!
Madonna has become a pathetic shell of herself. If she was really musically talented, like Streisand, she could age gracefully and lean on her singing and not her body and dancing. But she is more a dancer than a singer, which she admitted on the VMA show. She is boxed in by age (she is almost 70, my age!!) We saw what happened to Prince and Michael Jackson whose acts depended heavily on dancing. In their 50s they could not keep up with their age and took to fentanyl based pain killers to deal with joint and muscle pain. Both died from overdose. Hopefully Madonna does not meet that end.
On a related note, whatever happened to Madonna's conversion to Judaism and Kabbalah? She doesn't talk about that much. I am sure to keep her place with the Millennials and GenZs, she has to be pro-Intafada and "River to the Sea". That does not really go well with being Jewish
You've done it again, Sasha, hit the nail on the head - or in this case, the ass. I'm the same age as Madonna and almost feel sorry for her because she's missed what life is really about. That's a presumption, but the fact that she has to keep spreading her legs is a clue.
"...but it looks like a too-full diaper."
😅🤣😂
Thank you! I’m so glad someone said it! I used to be the biggest Madonna fan, but she’s doing way too much now and it’s not a good look. Plus, I think she’s having some medical and mental issues. Sad.
She was having mental issues decades ago.
It's kind of mean, but TBH, I've always had the same reaction to Madonna since MTV first came out... "Ewww"
We do have protection for kids, it's called parents. Opening any a door to censorship allows government even more access to spread propaganda.
Hear hear!!
I saw Bob Dylan on stage at some awards show several years ago; I've forgotten which one. He's pushing 80, and he actually acted his age in his performance. It was refreshing to see, but not at all surprising, given his well-known commitment to authentic performance. The same show featured a 70-year-old Eddie Van Halen grabbing his crotch while singing. The contrast was striking.
I think you mean David Lee Roth. He’s still out there and he happens to now be cringe. Very sad.
Huh? Eddie Van Halen SANG? And grabbed his crotch? Also he died at 65, never making it to 70. Mark, are you sure you have the right rock star in mind?
Well, apparently not. It might have been his bandmate David Lee Roth.
I liked Madonna's music and also felt some affinity of her being born in 1958, my birth year, along with Michael Jackson and Prince. She had a lot of spunk, being raised in Bay City, Michigan and going to New York City without any money and becoming a legend in a city of talented wanna-be's. Not knowing her in person, it's impossible to know what kind of charisma she might have had when she was young to get her that far. It seems she never let go of her glory days in the 80s, which is unseemly in old age.
The person opposite of her is Peter Frampton. I saw him play about 12 years ago in a small Northern Michigan theater seating about 2,000, whereas he'd filled stadiums of 50 times as big when young. He was still as excellent as he used to be in his prime, as were others like Carlos Santana and Dionne Warwick who played those small theaters, giving their performances with as much energy as when young.
Peter Frampton said his Rock Star life was pretty tame now. He'd married a woman from Cincinnati and lived there, so she could be close to her family. That's how most people age gracefully. He said he liked playing the little venues where he could be close to his audience, because it gratified him just as much to see us enjoying his music as when he'd played for much larger crowds in his prime. When he finished the show, he got a standing ovation that went on for minutes. We were celebrating his life and character as well as his music.
I don't think Madonna is one whose life you'd celebrate in old age, though you can still admire her when she was young and at her best.
Put that ham sandwich away.
The deli’s closed! Lol
When I was a local director for Child Evangelism Fellowship I gave a presentation at churches in an effort to get them to support Good News Clubs in the public schools. Part of my PowerPoint had a photo of Madonna as a little girl in her communion dress. It was part of a game I called, "Name That Sinner!" I had to give a lot of clues before anyone would get it right. My point was that even Madonna started well. But it's the ending that matters. And now we are there...