That is a problem for most actors/celebrities the need to remain relevant and probably why they are so outspoken politically in the most radical way, it gets attention.
But you would have never been famous for your gross antics in the first place, I bet...not as an insult..as a measure of who we are... I don't want fame at the expense of my dignity
But you’re not a performer are you? My best friend is a very well known actress and performing is like oxygen to her. She’s gonna continue until she dies on stage. Her worst nightmare would be what you described. Everyone is different.
Hi Sasha , among males it happens as well .you have fifty and sixty plus year old men dressing and acting like the fifteen to twenty year men . It is pitiful and somewhat sickening.
I'm a 64 year old man soon to be 65 in October. It may sound strange to some but I enjoy being older .
P.S Sasha I think you a still a beautiful woman .not only in physical appearance but more importantly reading your articles and listening to your podcast you have beauty of the heart and mind .
I just saw a recent photo of John Cusack today and he's gone the way of too much hair dye and a really bad face lift. (Someone said he looks like Jackie Stallone, which wasn't far off.) Men look much better aging naturally.
jennifer lopez is a member of this same desperation club...
i remember reading somewhere else, someone commented that madonna could have totally rocked her advanced years by showing everyone that you could still have great style and be a trendsetter but use a great haircut and perhaps, a really cool and edgy menswear fashion aesthetic.
or perhaps something along the lines of catherine o'hara's character, moira, on schitt's creek - think of how much attention madonna could have received rocking that style - still flamboyant, still fabulous?!
other notable women showing how to rock growing older:
diane keaton did it.
tilda swinton is doing it.
debbie harry and isabella rossellini are still doing it!
OMG, how could i have forgotten the fabulous dame helen mirren?! yes, you are absolutely right!!! you know, it just occurred to me, there are several more british beauties that are aging gracefully as well, like emma thompson! :)
yes, but i think in her head, she's still at the peak of her fame. it's the ongoing delusion: she's constantly trying to recapture those days in everything she does. for me, i think her apex was from like a virgin and through the immaculate collection. it basically ended with her infamous sex book. that, to me, was like the fireworks show on new years eve. it's "wow!" but then its over and done. madonna came up in her fame during a very interesting time in the culture. the beginning of mtv, hiv/aids, the glamour and decadence of the mid-late 80's and early 90's. it was all big and over-the-top. madonna pushed boundaries and societal norms for a period of time. she was a huge part of the culture revolution during that era. but eventually, as things do, they change. and what once was scandalous, became (mostly) accepted. when you are constantly trying to recapture your lost youth, you just become a caricature. it's sad to see what she has become because you also know what she could have been.
Even back then I strained to see her as a.) musically talented and b.) scandalous. Other women singers of the time sang better and showed more skin. Her genius, such as it was, seemed to be in marketing herself.
that's what makes it all so extra sad. the marketing of herself and her ability to reinvent herself. instead of reinventing herself into something fabulous for the age she is NOW, she's trying to recapture her glory days. i agree she wasn't a great singer compared to others, but her boldness and pushing the envelope every chance she could (remember all the scandal around her like a prayer video?!) made her one to watch. you never knew what she was going to do next!
Yeah. It lowkey annoys me when they show pictures of celebrities aging.. because they have all (well most) have had work done. Aging gracefully is the ones who are honest about if they’ve had Botox or plastic surgery.
so true! it's the same with celebrities who claim they lost weight once they are over 50 yrs old, from "diet & exercise" - LOL - i think those who actually have are few and far between. especially if you've had kids and gone through menopause, the body really changes!
“it’s depressing and horrifying. It looks predatory.” Sasha, it is “predatory”, it was predatory, and since the beginning of time, it’s always been predatory.
I’m 70. Most days, I wear old-fashioned men’s overalls around home. Lately, I’ve begun wearing them on trips to town as well (admittedly hemmed, without holes and shredded pockets). My husband is jealous again - after many years of ‘no worries’! Younger men find me adorable. Men my age and older think I’m sexy. Yesterday, an elderly gentleman kept looking my way as we ate at a fast-food restaurant. When my husband went to the restroom, this guy took the opportunity to ask if we were married. When I said, “Yes,” he smiled, and replied, “I was afraid of that.” For about twenty seconds, I felt like a teenager again.
I think it’s funny - and I’d overalls without the approval. But, I know I wouldn’t get the same reactions if I wore mini skirts and low-cut blouses. There is a time for everything under heaven.
Madonna has become a pathetic shell of herself. If she was really musically talented, like Streisand, she could age gracefully and lean on her singing and not her body and dancing. But she is more a dancer than a singer, which she admitted on the VMA show. She is boxed in by age (she is almost 70, my age!!) We saw what happened to Prince and Michael Jackson whose acts depended heavily on dancing. In their 50s they could not keep up with their age and took to fentanyl based pain killers to deal with joint and muscle pain. Both died from overdose. Hopefully Madonna does not meet that end.
On a related note, whatever happened to Madonna's conversion to Judaism and Kabbalah? She doesn't talk about that much. I am sure to keep her place with the Millennials and GenZs, she has to be pro-Intafada and "River to the Sea". That does not really go well with being Jewish
You've done it again, Sasha, hit the nail on the head - or in this case, the ass. I'm the same age as Madonna and almost feel sorry for her because she's missed what life is really about. That's a presumption, but the fact that she has to keep spreading her legs is a clue.
The irony is that Hollywood has sold society on the idea that female celebrities are free, powerful and independent women. The ultimate in feminism.
Turns out none of that's true and in fact, it's exactly the opposite. They were never anything more than slaves--mouthpieces for the industry's cause du jour and sexual playthings for the men that controlled their careers. But perhaps sadder still, they are victims of their own vanity.
Madonna was talented. She wrote, she danced, played drums, but mostly she was a master of marketing and reinventing herself. It's a shame that how she chooses to be remembered is this creepy old grandma character, attempting to be seductive and shocking because she lost the ability to reinvent herself as a dignified,older woman.
Madonna isn't the only one by far, just the most disgusting and pitiful.
I liked Madonna's music and also felt some affinity of her being born in 1958, my birth year, along with Michael Jackson and Prince. She had a lot of spunk, being raised in Bay City, Michigan and going to New York City without any money and becoming a legend in a city of talented wanna-be's. Not knowing her in person, it's impossible to know what kind of charisma she might have had when she was young to get her that far. It seems she never let go of her glory days in the 80s, which is unseemly in old age.
The person opposite of her is Peter Frampton. I saw him play about 12 years ago in a small Northern Michigan theater seating about 2,000, whereas he'd filled stadiums of 50 times as big when young. He was still as excellent as he used to be in his prime, as were others like Carlos Santana and Dionne Warwick who played those small theaters, giving their performances with as much energy as when young.
Peter Frampton said his Rock Star life was pretty tame now. He'd married a woman from Cincinnati and lived there, so she could be close to her family. That's how most people age gracefully. He said he liked playing the little venues where he could be close to his audience, because it gratified him just as much to see us enjoying his music as when he'd played for much larger crowds in his prime. When he finished the show, he got a standing ovation that went on for minutes. We were celebrating his life and character as well as his music.
I don't think Madonna is one whose life you'd celebrate in old age, though you can still admire her when she was young and at her best.
THere is NO EXCUSE for a woman to age in the US. They should not be seen in pubic! I suspect Madonna is in a lot better shape than most women born in 1958.
I love Holiday. And Material Girl. The weird thing Is that back in that day Maddona et al were all a decade younger than me but now they're about the same age and Bob Gelfof is 3 years older. I'm born 1955 but I've always been fogeyish and back then I dressed and lived more like I should be now. I'm living life backwards. Even Donny Osmond is only 3 years younger than me but in 1973 he was a little boy!
The Osmonds were at their peak popularity when I started buying albums in the early 70s I remember somebody gave the hard rock rock guy in our high school the Donny Osmond album with "Puppy Love" as a prank birthday gift. It was burned a few minutes after being received.
For still unexplained reasons, music fell off a cliff after 1976 and went into disco and heavy metal. Madonna was one of the handful of people I liked who debuted albums in the 80s.
How does that differ from what I said about the groups I'd seen:
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The person opposite of her is Peter Frampton. I saw him play about 12 years ago in a small Northern Michigan theater seating about 2,000, whereas he'd filled stadiums of 50 times as big when young. He was still as excellent as he used to be in his prime, as were others like Carlos Santana and Dionne Warwick who played those small theaters, giving their performances with as much energy as when young.
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I don't know anything at all about Iron Maiden, other than that Bruce Dickenson is also a commercial airline pilot who flies Boeing 757.
The point of the article, that I agreed with, is that Madonna has not aged as well. For example, when I saw Dionne Warwick, she wasn't dressed like a twenty-year-old prostitute.
Given Madonna's stage persona, it was OK for her to dress slutty when she was young. It doesn't look good when old. She is 68, a lot older than your 50 year old prostitute friends. By the time your friends get that old, they should be on Social Security.
I saw Bob Dylan on stage at some awards show several years ago; I've forgotten which one. He's pushing 80, and he actually acted his age in his performance. It was refreshing to see, but not at all surprising, given his well-known commitment to authentic performance. The same show featured a 70-year-old Eddie Van Halen grabbing his crotch while singing. The contrast was striking.
Thank you! I’m so glad someone said it! I used to be the biggest Madonna fan, but she’s doing way too much now and it’s not a good look. Plus, I think she’s having some medical and mental issues. Sad.
Narcissists always try to remain relevant.
Any sane, normal person who had Madonna’s kind of money would just enjoy retirement out of the public life.
If I had that wealth I’d be traveling the world enjoying retirement.
She has no real meaning. Retirement scares the buttocks off her. How would she begin to remain relevant ?
That is a problem for most actors/celebrities the need to remain relevant and probably why they are so outspoken politically in the most radical way, it gets attention.
Im hoping she inspires a similar performance out of Jane Fonda.
We can all exercise our gag reflex!
She needs the constant reverification.....unfortunately a common trait among the uber visible celebrity. No self esteem..
How do you know she doesn't travel the world?
But you would have never been famous for your gross antics in the first place, I bet...not as an insult..as a measure of who we are... I don't want fame at the expense of my dignity
But you’re not a performer are you? My best friend is a very well known actress and performing is like oxygen to her. She’s gonna continue until she dies on stage. Her worst nightmare would be what you described. Everyone is different.
Right!
"Grandma forgot her pants again."
"Well at least this time she remembered her XXL Depends."
🤣😂
If Madonna is grandma, what is Cher?
Why, GGMa—great grandmother, of course!
LoL.....good point!
She said it herself 'Grandpa' ..to her mother ..' I am that strong rich man you want me to marry' and she wasn't talking about trans etc.
Hi Sasha , among males it happens as well .you have fifty and sixty plus year old men dressing and acting like the fifteen to twenty year men . It is pitiful and somewhat sickening.
I'm a 64 year old man soon to be 65 in October. It may sound strange to some but I enjoy being older .
P.S Sasha I think you a still a beautiful woman .not only in physical appearance but more importantly reading your articles and listening to your podcast you have beauty of the heart and mind .
Thank you for what you do
Agreed. To grow old gracefully and thankfully is a blessing and exudes its own kind of beauty.
I agree, compression socks with sandals and bermuda shorts just feels good
🤣🤣🤣🤣 NO…..please!!!!
I just saw a recent photo of John Cusack today and he's gone the way of too much hair dye and a really bad face lift. (Someone said he looks like Jackie Stallone, which wasn't far off.) Men look much better aging naturally.
And we still have Dick van Dyke,who can still manage at least a couple of moves . Fantastic
jennifer lopez is a member of this same desperation club...
i remember reading somewhere else, someone commented that madonna could have totally rocked her advanced years by showing everyone that you could still have great style and be a trendsetter but use a great haircut and perhaps, a really cool and edgy menswear fashion aesthetic.
or perhaps something along the lines of catherine o'hara's character, moira, on schitt's creek - think of how much attention madonna could have received rocking that style - still flamboyant, still fabulous?!
other notable women showing how to rock growing older:
diane keaton did it.
tilda swinton is doing it.
debbie harry and isabella rossellini are still doing it!
Helen Mirren has aged gracefully.
OMG, how could i have forgotten the fabulous dame helen mirren?! yes, you are absolutely right!!! you know, it just occurred to me, there are several more british beauties that are aging gracefully as well, like emma thompson! :)
You inadvertantly hit the nail on the head.
Madonna's life has become a search for "setting trends."
yes, but i think in her head, she's still at the peak of her fame. it's the ongoing delusion: she's constantly trying to recapture those days in everything she does. for me, i think her apex was from like a virgin and through the immaculate collection. it basically ended with her infamous sex book. that, to me, was like the fireworks show on new years eve. it's "wow!" but then its over and done. madonna came up in her fame during a very interesting time in the culture. the beginning of mtv, hiv/aids, the glamour and decadence of the mid-late 80's and early 90's. it was all big and over-the-top. madonna pushed boundaries and societal norms for a period of time. she was a huge part of the culture revolution during that era. but eventually, as things do, they change. and what once was scandalous, became (mostly) accepted. when you are constantly trying to recapture your lost youth, you just become a caricature. it's sad to see what she has become because you also know what she could have been.
Even back then I strained to see her as a.) musically talented and b.) scandalous. Other women singers of the time sang better and showed more skin. Her genius, such as it was, seemed to be in marketing herself.
that's what makes it all so extra sad. the marketing of herself and her ability to reinvent herself. instead of reinventing herself into something fabulous for the age she is NOW, she's trying to recapture her glory days. i agree she wasn't a great singer compared to others, but her boldness and pushing the envelope every chance she could (remember all the scandal around her like a prayer video?!) made her one to watch. you never knew what she was going to do next!
Yeah. It lowkey annoys me when they show pictures of celebrities aging.. because they have all (well most) have had work done. Aging gracefully is the ones who are honest about if they’ve had Botox or plastic surgery.
so true! it's the same with celebrities who claim they lost weight once they are over 50 yrs old, from "diet & exercise" - LOL - i think those who actually have are few and far between. especially if you've had kids and gone through menopause, the body really changes!
It really paints who women are supposed to look like and normal women don’t look like that .
🙌 J Lo would rock leggings and a long, billowy tunic. She exercises and it shows. Why she does this naked dressing is beyond me.
agreed!!
“it’s depressing and horrifying. It looks predatory.” Sasha, it is “predatory”, it was predatory, and since the beginning of time, it’s always been predatory.
I’m 70. Most days, I wear old-fashioned men’s overalls around home. Lately, I’ve begun wearing them on trips to town as well (admittedly hemmed, without holes and shredded pockets). My husband is jealous again - after many years of ‘no worries’! Younger men find me adorable. Men my age and older think I’m sexy. Yesterday, an elderly gentleman kept looking my way as we ate at a fast-food restaurant. When my husband went to the restroom, this guy took the opportunity to ask if we were married. When I said, “Yes,” he smiled, and replied, “I was afraid of that.” For about twenty seconds, I felt like a teenager again.
I think it’s funny - and I’d overalls without the approval. But, I know I wouldn’t get the same reactions if I wore mini skirts and low-cut blouses. There is a time for everything under heaven.
I bet you are a bundle of joy!
Madonna has become a pathetic shell of herself. If she was really musically talented, like Streisand, she could age gracefully and lean on her singing and not her body and dancing. But she is more a dancer than a singer, which she admitted on the VMA show. She is boxed in by age (she is almost 70, my age!!) We saw what happened to Prince and Michael Jackson whose acts depended heavily on dancing. In their 50s they could not keep up with their age and took to fentanyl based pain killers to deal with joint and muscle pain. Both died from overdose. Hopefully Madonna does not meet that end.
On a related note, whatever happened to Madonna's conversion to Judaism and Kabbalah? She doesn't talk about that much. I am sure to keep her place with the Millennials and GenZs, she has to be pro-Intafada and "River to the Sea". That does not really go well with being Jewish
Her Kabbalah was just a phase, like everything else in her life. She's not Jewish.
"...but it looks like a too-full diaper."
😅🤣😂
You've done it again, Sasha, hit the nail on the head - or in this case, the ass. I'm the same age as Madonna and almost feel sorry for her because she's missed what life is really about. That's a presumption, but the fact that she has to keep spreading her legs is a clue.
It's kind of mean, but TBH, I've always had the same reaction to Madonna since MTV first came out... "Ewww"
The irony is that Hollywood has sold society on the idea that female celebrities are free, powerful and independent women. The ultimate in feminism.
Turns out none of that's true and in fact, it's exactly the opposite. They were never anything more than slaves--mouthpieces for the industry's cause du jour and sexual playthings for the men that controlled their careers. But perhaps sadder still, they are victims of their own vanity.
Madonna was talented. She wrote, she danced, played drums, but mostly she was a master of marketing and reinventing herself. It's a shame that how she chooses to be remembered is this creepy old grandma character, attempting to be seductive and shocking because she lost the ability to reinvent herself as a dignified,older woman.
Madonna isn't the only one by far, just the most disgusting and pitiful.
Performing monkey more like.
I liked Madonna's music and also felt some affinity of her being born in 1958, my birth year, along with Michael Jackson and Prince. She had a lot of spunk, being raised in Bay City, Michigan and going to New York City without any money and becoming a legend in a city of talented wanna-be's. Not knowing her in person, it's impossible to know what kind of charisma she might have had when she was young to get her that far. It seems she never let go of her glory days in the 80s, which is unseemly in old age.
The person opposite of her is Peter Frampton. I saw him play about 12 years ago in a small Northern Michigan theater seating about 2,000, whereas he'd filled stadiums of 50 times as big when young. He was still as excellent as he used to be in his prime, as were others like Carlos Santana and Dionne Warwick who played those small theaters, giving their performances with as much energy as when young.
Peter Frampton said his Rock Star life was pretty tame now. He'd married a woman from Cincinnati and lived there, so she could be close to her family. That's how most people age gracefully. He said he liked playing the little venues where he could be close to his audience, because it gratified him just as much to see us enjoying his music as when he'd played for much larger crowds in his prime. When he finished the show, he got a standing ovation that went on for minutes. We were celebrating his life and character as well as his music.
I don't think Madonna is one whose life you'd celebrate in old age, though you can still admire her when she was young and at her best.
THere is NO EXCUSE for a woman to age in the US. They should not be seen in pubic! I suspect Madonna is in a lot better shape than most women born in 1958.
Did you mean they should not be seen in "public?"
With Madonna, it's hard to know if you wrote it the way you meant it.
I think in general, people think it is inexcusable for a woman to age and they should restrict themselves so they don't "offend" others.
As usual, you have shown once again you have no idea what you're talking about.
I love Holiday. And Material Girl. The weird thing Is that back in that day Maddona et al were all a decade younger than me but now they're about the same age and Bob Gelfof is 3 years older. I'm born 1955 but I've always been fogeyish and back then I dressed and lived more like I should be now. I'm living life backwards. Even Donny Osmond is only 3 years younger than me but in 1973 he was a little boy!
The Osmonds were at their peak popularity when I started buying albums in the early 70s I remember somebody gave the hard rock rock guy in our high school the Donny Osmond album with "Puppy Love" as a prank birthday gift. It was burned a few minutes after being received.
For still unexplained reasons, music fell off a cliff after 1976 and went into disco and heavy metal. Madonna was one of the handful of people I liked who debuted albums in the 80s.
I really enjoy The Osmonds music now. Better late than never. And he can knock on my door with a Bible any time!
Somebody help me help me please.....and all the teenyboppers screamed....now all the Grannies scream!!
How does that differ from what I said about the groups I'd seen:
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The person opposite of her is Peter Frampton. I saw him play about 12 years ago in a small Northern Michigan theater seating about 2,000, whereas he'd filled stadiums of 50 times as big when young. He was still as excellent as he used to be in his prime, as were others like Carlos Santana and Dionne Warwick who played those small theaters, giving their performances with as much energy as when young.
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I don't know anything at all about Iron Maiden, other than that Bruce Dickenson is also a commercial airline pilot who flies Boeing 757.
The point of the article, that I agreed with, is that Madonna has not aged as well. For example, when I saw Dionne Warwick, she wasn't dressed like a twenty-year-old prostitute.
Given Madonna's stage persona, it was OK for her to dress slutty when she was young. It doesn't look good when old. She is 68, a lot older than your 50 year old prostitute friends. By the time your friends get that old, they should be on Social Security.
I saw Bob Dylan on stage at some awards show several years ago; I've forgotten which one. He's pushing 80, and he actually acted his age in his performance. It was refreshing to see, but not at all surprising, given his well-known commitment to authentic performance. The same show featured a 70-year-old Eddie Van Halen grabbing his crotch while singing. The contrast was striking.
I think you mean David Lee Roth. He’s still out there and he happens to now be cringe. Very sad.
Huh? Eddie Van Halen SANG? And grabbed his crotch? Also he died at 65, never making it to 70. Mark, are you sure you have the right rock star in mind?
Well, apparently not. It might have been his bandmate David Lee Roth.
Probably. David Lee Roth is like a male Madonna, only with basically zero talent.
Yes. It was David Lee Roth. See other comments in the thread.
Thank you! I’m so glad someone said it! I used to be the biggest Madonna fan, but she’s doing way too much now and it’s not a good look. Plus, I think she’s having some medical and mental issues. Sad.
She was having mental issues decades ago.
Madonna is further proof that sometimes
Age DOES NOT bring wisdom.
I will quote a line from my favorite poem to Madonna:
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.