God help us all. Sorry to say, I vote that Trump invokes the Insurrection Act. Better a fascist than a taco. And the "sweetest guy" doesn't take a firearm to a peaceful demonstration.
And awwww, didja see that sympathetic post from Aasma Shaukat, MD. She said it was an act of 'senseless carnage' on her sweet former colleague.
Dr. Shaukat got her MD in Pakistan (likely Muslim?) and thus clueless what America is about. Patriotism, huh? Oh but she loves her income and her freedom. The Left and DemParty are absolutely infiltrated with foreigners and first generation citizens, not assimilated.
More to the point, Islam is the only major religion that regards itself as having sovereignty: the right to have an army and police.
Many years ago, I came to the conclusion that Islam regards itself as "the super-tribe of the faithful". Then I looked up Islam in the still un-PC Encyclopedia Brittanica. It said that Islam regards itself as (get this) "the super-tribe of the faithful".
My parents came from Italy. He went to school at night and got his citizenship the correct way. He and my mother assimilated. They are very very pro America.
I just can’t understand how liberals allow these people to not assimilate. It’s just amazing.
I understand now that I am older why my dad was angered when I was growing up by this behavior.
The First Amendment should be rewritten to ban the practice of Islam. It could be done, simply, and if the Founders had dreamed their descendants would be lunatic enough to allow Muslims into the country, it would have been.
But the voters of this country, especially young women, are such dumbbells it never will happen.
The Marines were created in 1798 to fight the Muslims (pirates of the Barbary Coast based in Tripoli). Today we are fighting the Somali pirates who have infiltrated Minnesota and other states. Nothing ever changes.
Well, Brian, it does change. 228 years ago, they were terrorizing North Africa. Now, with our imbecilic authorization, they're terrorizing us in our homeland. If at the moment I were permitted one free stringing up, courtesy of The Supreme Court, I think it would be that corrupt poser, Walz, though I would be tempted to yank up Frey. I can't decide which one offends me more.
I don't know if you ever watch America This Week, with Matt Taibbi and Walter Kirn. It's on YouTube on Monday afternoons at 4:00, although the time varies. And if you subscribe to Taibbi's "Racket News," which I strongly recommend to everyone, you get an extra America This Week embedded in Friday's edition. ( Each video lasts at least two hours. Those guys WORK for their money. )
On Friday's embed they talked about the striking fact that the Right, much like Israel when it was under SCUD attack in 1991( my comparison, and possibly theirs, I don't remember ), doesn't fight back. As Walter Kirn noted with a dry portentousness, if the Right did fight back, there isn't much doubt about which side would win.
Can’t an amendment be made to the constitution through votes like was tried with the ERA? If I remember my government class in high school it’s something like 2/3rds of the voters in 3/4s of the states? Something like that
I would say rather that Islam, due to its "sovereignty", should be declared not a religion in the sense that the Framers intended: Christianity, Judaism, and none or damn near none. The leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR could then be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit insurrection.
As for Judaism, both its assertions of sovereignty, and its membership have never been expansive. Overall, my standard for "religion" in the sense that the Framers intended would not include "expansive sovereignty".
Islam is not compatible with Western Civilization. Though I'm not sure what that has to do with the latest ICE incident, other than it being a distraction from Somali (Muslim) fraud.
Well since Minnesota is a concealed carry state he may well carry a firearm with him at all times. But his actions a behavior led to the shooting. If you are stopped by a cop and you're carrying, whether at. demonstration or simply a minor traffic stop, you make sure that your hands are always visible and nowhere near the weapon and you informed the cop (in this instance ICE) that you're carrying and where the weapon is located. It's really very simple, and everybody should know that one never engages in an altercation with a cop as it always ends badly for the person doing the altercation.
Of course he "may", but that action, though legal, carries a lot of risk when you are going to confront armed ICE agents in physical violence at a protest. Just think of ICE as an ordinary police officer on a traffic stop. If you have a license to conceal and carry but you reach for your gun while sitting stopped with the cop at your window, there is a high likelihood you will be shot. Conceal and Carry must be used very wisely
I would not read much into the specific firearm or second mag. Its well within affordable range for someone who is serious enough to get a conceal carry license. Normally its recommended to not carry an expensive or sentimental firearm because you should expect to lose it to evidence if you ever have to use it. Its also recommended to carry a reliable firearm that you have practiced with and can competently shoot under stress. This normally means avoiding the cheap options.
i am sic to my stomach by this.....but i think you're right. the worst thing to happen would be for ICE to withdraw. walz and his ilk see the rioters as nothing more than cannon fodder
If ice were to withdraw, ALL federal funding should be withdrawn also. Tired of paying for these thieves antics. Let the state of MN handle their own problems and leave the rest of us alone. The guy was just doing what his governor told his people to do. Pull out those phones and record. I say there’s blood on Walz’s hands.
Convenient distraction from the MN politicians' own criminal acts in financial fraud. Cannon fodder to protect their own political skin, though I don't see the FBI and IRS stopping their investigation. It goes beyond disgusting.
It is not fascistic to exercise a power given to the President by the Congress and reinforced by past Supreme Court rulings. It is an exercise in Democracy no matter what the Lefties say
When I visit Minneapolis — not often — I always want to be armed. But I would not go, armed or not, anywhere near a protest like that because I don’t believe in deliberately putting myself in harms way. Why he thought it a good idea to go to a protest armed, then interfere with law enforcement, we will never know. 😎🇺🇸
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This wouldn’t escalate if the state cooperated in the first place. Wouldn’t have known ice was there. But then again we have to distract from the Somali mafia fraud and the governors complicity
Ha, I've long said liberals, now leftists, are adults that never got disciplined, never spanked as children. As 'adults', they stomp their feet, throw tantrums, and have perfected fast-talking their way past trouble. Essentially no respect for authority, but always 'entitled' to do what they want. Thank you Dr. Benjamin Spock -- we are now several generations into your popular book on child-rearing permissiveness.
My mom was into Dr. Spock, and I also got spanked. And I respect authority. I'm a gun owner, but would be an absolute idiot to bring a gun to a protest and then confront law enforcement... and then refuse to cooperate when they tried to arrest me.
As I recall when Texas tried to rig barbed wire to stop the influx of illegals the liberal media were quick to explain that immigration was a federal matter. Texas had no right to interfere.
Not so today in Minnesota which thinks it can decide what laws it will respect. The liberal media takes the side of the states.
Liberal judges also feel like their responsibility is to upend the social order. All these media and judges are Millennials, maybe post Vietnam Gen Xers, who hate America
The Lib media takes the side of Libs. Many "anchors" are themselves Marxists. That is what they teach now in journalism school: how to change America versus objective reporting. And that change is not back to the right, but to the Far Left.
Who carries a loaded weapon and extra mags to a peaceful protest and then interferes with police conducting an apprehension of a violent foreign criminal?
Which is it? He had a permit to carry the firearm or he wasn’t carrying one. Leftists are all over the place with this narrative but haven’t settled on one it appears.
They have the gun and clips. He had a conceal and carry license, even Gov Walz acknowledged. This has not been announced, but the gun will show it is licensed to the perp
Firstly, the local police could have cooperated with the Feds by letting ICE access illegal alien detainees in the Minneapolis jails, as most cities have, expediting their orderly handover. And secondly, they could have reduced friction in the streets by getting in between the protestors and ICE, providing a buffer, thereby significantly reducing the chances of bodily harm. The fact that they were not ordered by the governor or the mayor to do that can only be seen as a dereliction of duty. Two people may very well still be alive today if the MPD had assisted the Feds, and in my view those deaths can be laid at the feet of Walz and Frey and possibly Chief O’Hara who should have had the guts to refute those two and insist on cooperation with the Feds. This whole unlawful sanctuary city nonsense was bound to end in tears.
There is none of this strife in any Red state, even with blue cities who do not claim sanctuary status (Memphis). That status is unConstitutional, even though previous liberal Supreme Courts allowed it. Immigration is a Federal legal issue, not a state's or city's. To allow Sanctuary status puts the city in conflict with the Federal govt. The Supremacy Clause in Article VI is in effect and so it basically forces a fight between the city and Feds. The SCOTUS could solve this with a single vote that ends Sanctuary status
Love the last post where it lists the riots as happening in years when democrats didn’t have their way at the voting both so they went on a rampage undermining and subverting against Trump in all things in every way possible. Obvious, indeed.
This is now the playbook. In 1968 the young anti-American Dems rioted against themselves at the Chicago Natl Convention and got Richard Nixon elected. They learned. Now the Dems riot when the GOP is holding office to unseat them and get their own elected. Summer of 2020 taught them how effective that process is
Brian, I feel like you are my brother from another! AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID HERE! So nice to have others who understand what is really happening in our country, and are able to voice our thoughts and opinions here.
I just want point out, in response to the claim that Trump “can’t win,” that while he can’t win *with the left,* he can certainly win with sane people everywhere by seeing this through. If that means calling in the national guard to put down an actual insurrection, so be it.
Democrats can't win with the far Left. That is why you see Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema attacked and pushed out of office. And Sinema was pretty far left. The crazies, led by AOC and her troops (Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib among them) and now Mamdani, will never find common ground with any GOP or moderate Dems. They are radicals and want to overthrow the American government
...yes, but with SO many leftists in US, timing is important. Its not a bad idea to let the Left overreach SO bad that it becomes REALLY obvious to the rest of the country that the Insurrection Act is needed. I believe its coming....
If you are there to peacefully protest why are you carrying a firearm when you know you are going to be interacting with Federal agents who also have guns? 🙄
And was celebrated by the media for doing so. Note that many of the Obama deportees were those turned back at the border. Totally unlike the chaos that Biden inflicted upon us.
And not a cheap one either, and threaded for a suppressor (which doesn't mean anything, suppressors are legal, but the ATF process is a task and the cost is high.) A person who owns a nice handgun like that is clearly an enthusiast (or just has money and no training.) In any case, carrying it and brandishing it are two different things. Anyone arguing that he was just exercising his 2A freedoms is stupid. I exercise mine every day without harassing or impeding law enforcement. Renee Good probably had a valid driver's license, too. But if anyone remembers the Waukesha Christmas Parade (among other similar heinous crimes) an automobile can become a deadly weapon as soon as the driver decides to make it one. (And I'm not talking about accidents.)
History lesson: this is what the democrats - the party of the Old South - did in the run up to The War Between The States in 1861; nullifying federal law when it didn’t suit them (unconstitutional) & not recognizing the duly elected president (Lincoln). They kicked him off the ballot in several states. Sound familiar?
Having a concealed carry permit is a serious responsibility. Your not a cop, not a vigilante, but a private citizen authorized to carry a concealed weapon for self-protection if threatened with serious bodily harm. There is no rational sane reason for Alex Pretti to be carrying a weapon while protesting and interfering with ICE agents making an arrest. How in the he'll are they supposed to know what his intentions are when the weapon is exposed. Did he unholster it, or did it discharge when he was being disarmed, and other agents fired for what they perceived as a threat. I don't know, but I do know this with absolute certainty, if he had left his weapon home he would be alive today.
Rules for protesters: bring your whistle, but leave your gun at home and don't point your car at the ICE agents, or better yet, stay home and let the Feds arrest and deport these illegals. Obama deported hundreds of thousands and if you didn't protest Barrack then protesting now isn't about some misguided support for illegals but simply TDS #Resistance which is blatantly pretty transparently stupid.
I agree that if he hadn't brought his gun, he'd still be alive. But I don't feel confident that others who made the quick jump that he was trying to "attack" the agents are correct.
The problem is that the ICE officers have a split second to make a decision of whether to risk their life(ves) or shoot to kill the person carrying the gun, even if that person has aa concealed-carry permit. Further, just because one has a concealed-carry permit doesn't mean one doesn't use common sense in deciding when to carry and when not to carry a gun. In reality, there is, in general, only one reason to carrfy. concealed gun and that's to go to the shooting range.
Just curious if you are a 2nd Amendment supporter and if you think the "common sense" standard you just articulated is how you want the courts to decide on when citizens with a permit are allowed to carry their gun?
I haven't seen evidence this guy's gun was out at all when he was around the agents. I only saw a camera in his hand. In the scuffle, I couldn't see a thing about what he was doing with his hands or if the agents had his hands in theirs.
And no one ever talks about the people who ICE has been rounding up to be deported. In Minnesota, it's been illegal aliens from Laos, for example, who have robbed, assaulted and some (and from other countries too) who have been convicted of strong-arm sodomizing of little girls and boys. That's who Democrats are driving around and protesting to PROTECT from ICE and from deportation.
God help us all. Sorry to say, I vote that Trump invokes the Insurrection Act. Better a fascist than a taco. And the "sweetest guy" doesn't take a firearm to a peaceful demonstration.
Yep.
And awwww, didja see that sympathetic post from Aasma Shaukat, MD. She said it was an act of 'senseless carnage' on her sweet former colleague.
Dr. Shaukat got her MD in Pakistan (likely Muslim?) and thus clueless what America is about. Patriotism, huh? Oh but she loves her income and her freedom. The Left and DemParty are absolutely infiltrated with foreigners and first generation citizens, not assimilated.
Assimilation is against Islam.
More to the point, Islam is the only major religion that regards itself as having sovereignty: the right to have an army and police.
Many years ago, I came to the conclusion that Islam regards itself as "the super-tribe of the faithful". Then I looked up Islam in the still un-PC Encyclopedia Brittanica. It said that Islam regards itself as (get this) "the super-tribe of the faithful".
My parents came from Italy. He went to school at night and got his citizenship the correct way. He and my mother assimilated. They are very very pro America.
I just can’t understand how liberals allow these people to not assimilate. It’s just amazing.
I understand now that I am older why my dad was angered when I was growing up by this behavior.
My wife is 1/2 Italian, 3/8 Czech, and 1/8 Irish. (Guess where she was born.) That's one way to achieve assimilation.
Neither here nor there, but perhaps of interest, I am nearly 100% British. Not one of my ancestors came to America after 1750.
Nice
The First Amendment should be rewritten to ban the practice of Islam. It could be done, simply, and if the Founders had dreamed their descendants would be lunatic enough to allow Muslims into the country, it would have been.
But the voters of this country, especially young women, are such dumbbells it never will happen.
The Marines were created in 1798 to fight the Muslims (pirates of the Barbary Coast based in Tripoli). Today we are fighting the Somali pirates who have infiltrated Minnesota and other states. Nothing ever changes.
Well, Brian, it does change. 228 years ago, they were terrorizing North Africa. Now, with our imbecilic authorization, they're terrorizing us in our homeland. If at the moment I were permitted one free stringing up, courtesy of The Supreme Court, I think it would be that corrupt poser, Walz, though I would be tempted to yank up Frey. I can't decide which one offends me more.
I don't know if you ever watch America This Week, with Matt Taibbi and Walter Kirn. It's on YouTube on Monday afternoons at 4:00, although the time varies. And if you subscribe to Taibbi's "Racket News," which I strongly recommend to everyone, you get an extra America This Week embedded in Friday's edition. ( Each video lasts at least two hours. Those guys WORK for their money. )
On Friday's embed they talked about the striking fact that the Right, much like Israel when it was under SCUD attack in 1991( my comparison, and possibly theirs, I don't remember ), doesn't fight back. As Walter Kirn noted with a dry portentousness, if the Right did fight back, there isn't much doubt about which side would win.
"Infiltrated?" More like welcomed.
Can’t an amendment be made to the constitution through votes like was tried with the ERA? If I remember my government class in high school it’s something like 2/3rds of the voters in 3/4s of the states? Something like that
Yes, that's right.
I would say rather that Islam, due to its "sovereignty", should be declared not a religion in the sense that the Framers intended: Christianity, Judaism, and none or damn near none. The leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR could then be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit insurrection.
As for Judaism, both its assertions of sovereignty, and its membership have never been expansive. Overall, my standard for "religion" in the sense that the Framers intended would not include "expansive sovereignty".
Constitution *
Islam is not compatible with Western Civilization. Though I'm not sure what that has to do with the latest ICE incident, other than it being a distraction from Somali (Muslim) fraud.
I was responding to a comment by Texyz.
The latest incident did not involve ICE.
The latest "troubles" came about not by Demos in Minnesota creating "a distraction", but rather from the usual obstruction of ICE operations.
It is a death cult
Religion of Pieces(dead pieces)
Amen
Well since Minnesota is a concealed carry state he may well carry a firearm with him at all times. But his actions a behavior led to the shooting. If you are stopped by a cop and you're carrying, whether at. demonstration or simply a minor traffic stop, you make sure that your hands are always visible and nowhere near the weapon and you informed the cop (in this instance ICE) that you're carrying and where the weapon is located. It's really very simple, and everybody should know that one never engages in an altercation with a cop as it always ends badly for the person doing the altercation.
Of course he "may", but that action, though legal, carries a lot of risk when you are going to confront armed ICE agents in physical violence at a protest. Just think of ICE as an ordinary police officer on a traffic stop. If you have a license to conceal and carry but you reach for your gun while sitting stopped with the cop at your window, there is a high likelihood you will be shot. Conceal and Carry must be used very wisely
Exactly what I was saying
Also his weapon was not typical of a firearm used for self defense, and why carry the extra ammunition? None of it adds up to legal behavior.
As someone who legally conceal carries. Normal firearm, normal to carry a second mag.
What isn't normal is carry without your license in a state that requires it and antagonizing law inforcement.
Thanks for the clarification. Sounds like it was a very expensive firearm for a nurse to afford, though? Yes the lack of ID was very damning.
I would not read much into the specific firearm or second mag. Its well within affordable range for someone who is serious enough to get a conceal carry license. Normally its recommended to not carry an expensive or sentimental firearm because you should expect to lose it to evidence if you ever have to use it. Its also recommended to carry a reliable firearm that you have practiced with and can competently shoot under stress. This normally means avoiding the cheap options.
.380 S&W Body guard. My favorite daily carry. Not a fucking hand cannon that guy had
Indeed. Doesn’t add up really.
Not so simple when you've been activated by your Governor to resist.
i am sic to my stomach by this.....but i think you're right. the worst thing to happen would be for ICE to withdraw. walz and his ilk see the rioters as nothing more than cannon fodder
If ice were to withdraw, ALL federal funding should be withdrawn also. Tired of paying for these thieves antics. Let the state of MN handle their own problems and leave the rest of us alone. The guy was just doing what his governor told his people to do. Pull out those phones and record. I say there’s blood on Walz’s hands.
Convenient distraction from the MN politicians' own criminal acts in financial fraud. Cannon fodder to protect their own political skin, though I don't see the FBI and IRS stopping their investigation. It goes beyond disgusting.
For goodness sake! Invoking the insurrection act is not fascism! Please learn the definitions of these terms.
Exactly. An Act, by definition, is a Congressional action to create a law. If 550 duly elected legislators pass a law, that is called Democracy
It is not fascistic to exercise a power given to the President by the Congress and reinforced by past Supreme Court rulings. It is an exercise in Democracy no matter what the Lefties say
When I visit Minneapolis — not often — I always want to be armed. But I would not go, armed or not, anywhere near a protest like that because I don’t believe in deliberately putting myself in harms way. Why he thought it a good idea to go to a protest armed, then interfere with law enforcement, we will never know. 😎🇺🇸
If I go to Minneapolis for any reason, I go armed. But I would not go to that protest in the first place, so
Obey federal and state laws - this is completely alien to those on the left.
Tim Walz, the ONLY occupation of Minnesota that needs to end is YOU❕️
👇🏼
"alien" cute choice of words. 😁
Unintended pun LOL
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This wouldn’t escalate if the state cooperated in the first place. Wouldn’t have known ice was there. But then again we have to distract from the Somali mafia fraud and the governors complicity
what my wife and I always tell my kids, seems that's how the left needs to be treated
Ha, I've long said liberals, now leftists, are adults that never got disciplined, never spanked as children. As 'adults', they stomp their feet, throw tantrums, and have perfected fast-talking their way past trouble. Essentially no respect for authority, but always 'entitled' to do what they want. Thank you Dr. Benjamin Spock -- we are now several generations into your popular book on child-rearing permissiveness.
If they even had parents. The destruction of the nuclear family is the biggest failure of American society
My mom was into Dr. Spock, and I also got spanked. And I respect authority. I'm a gun owner, but would be an absolute idiot to bring a gun to a protest and then confront law enforcement... and then refuse to cooperate when they tried to arrest me.
....hehe, glad u survived Dr.Spock, SG.
I have thought this soooo many times! Thanks for putting it in words.
Your succinct comment is the beginning, middle, and end of the entire situation.
As I recall when Texas tried to rig barbed wire to stop the influx of illegals the liberal media were quick to explain that immigration was a federal matter. Texas had no right to interfere.
Not so today in Minnesota which thinks it can decide what laws it will respect. The liberal media takes the side of the states.
And the courts are letting the law breaking interferers go.
Liberal judges also feel like their responsibility is to upend the social order. All these media and judges are Millennials, maybe post Vietnam Gen Xers, who hate America
The Lib media takes the side of Libs. Many "anchors" are themselves Marxists. That is what they teach now in journalism school: how to change America versus objective reporting. And that change is not back to the right, but to the Far Left.
Who carries a loaded weapon and extra mags to a peaceful protest and then interferes with police conducting an apprehension of a violent foreign criminal?
Not evidently the guy that was shot and killed.
Which is it? He had a permit to carry the firearm or he wasn’t carrying one. Leftists are all over the place with this narrative but haven’t settled on one it appears.
They have the gun and clips. He had a conceal and carry license, even Gov Walz acknowledged. This has not been announced, but the gun will show it is licensed to the perp
Did your Facebook feed you that?
No, watching videos, the news and other's postings from all over.
As someone who legally conceal carries. Normal firearm, normal to carry a second mag.
What isn't normal is carry without your license in a state that requires it and antagonizing law enforcement.
Firstly, the local police could have cooperated with the Feds by letting ICE access illegal alien detainees in the Minneapolis jails, as most cities have, expediting their orderly handover. And secondly, they could have reduced friction in the streets by getting in between the protestors and ICE, providing a buffer, thereby significantly reducing the chances of bodily harm. The fact that they were not ordered by the governor or the mayor to do that can only be seen as a dereliction of duty. Two people may very well still be alive today if the MPD had assisted the Feds, and in my view those deaths can be laid at the feet of Walz and Frey and possibly Chief O’Hara who should have had the guts to refute those two and insist on cooperation with the Feds. This whole unlawful sanctuary city nonsense was bound to end in tears.
Walz and Frey initiated an armed insurrection against the people and the laws of the US.
Walz and Frey are sending mush-brained leftists into combat situations, where those fools will experience the fog of war.
There is none of this strife in any Red state, even with blue cities who do not claim sanctuary status (Memphis). That status is unConstitutional, even though previous liberal Supreme Courts allowed it. Immigration is a Federal legal issue, not a state's or city's. To allow Sanctuary status puts the city in conflict with the Federal govt. The Supremacy Clause in Article VI is in effect and so it basically forces a fight between the city and Feds. The SCOTUS could solve this with a single vote that ends Sanctuary status
This can't be stated enough.
Love the last post where it lists the riots as happening in years when democrats didn’t have their way at the voting both so they went on a rampage undermining and subverting against Trump in all things in every way possible. Obvious, indeed.
Democrats are violent, hateful people. I’m 51 years old, no one will convince me otherwise wise from what I’ve seen these past 2-3 decades.
Go back to the 60s or even the 30s. It has ever been so.
This is now the playbook. In 1968 the young anti-American Dems rioted against themselves at the Chicago Natl Convention and got Richard Nixon elected. They learned. Now the Dems riot when the GOP is holding office to unseat them and get their own elected. Summer of 2020 taught them how effective that process is
Brian, I feel like you are my brother from another! AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID HERE! So nice to have others who understand what is really happening in our country, and are able to voice our thoughts and opinions here.
I just want point out, in response to the claim that Trump “can’t win,” that while he can’t win *with the left,* he can certainly win with sane people everywhere by seeing this through. If that means calling in the national guard to put down an actual insurrection, so be it.
Democrats can't win with the far Left. That is why you see Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema attacked and pushed out of office. And Sinema was pretty far left. The crazies, led by AOC and her troops (Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib among them) and now Mamdani, will never find common ground with any GOP or moderate Dems. They are radicals and want to overthrow the American government
...yes, but with SO many leftists in US, timing is important. Its not a bad idea to let the Left overreach SO bad that it becomes REALLY obvious to the rest of the country that the Insurrection Act is needed. I believe its coming....
All he had to do is remain calm and let the agents do their job. He couldn’t do that.
If you are there to peacefully protest why are you carrying a firearm when you know you are going to be interacting with Federal agents who also have guns? 🙄
No clue what happened on the ground but I do know that the immigration laws being enforced were written by Democrats. Ted Kennedy had a major role.
Obama deported and removed 3M illegals — half who had no criminal record.
No protests.
And was celebrated by the media for doing so. Note that many of the Obama deportees were those turned back at the border. Totally unlike the chaos that Biden inflicted upon us.
Wondering how many of those Obama deportees are back in the states now because of Biden’s open border?
ICU nurse carrying quite a hefty firearm? Doesn’t make sense.
And not a cheap one either, and threaded for a suppressor (which doesn't mean anything, suppressors are legal, but the ATF process is a task and the cost is high.) A person who owns a nice handgun like that is clearly an enthusiast (or just has money and no training.) In any case, carrying it and brandishing it are two different things. Anyone arguing that he was just exercising his 2A freedoms is stupid. I exercise mine every day without harassing or impeding law enforcement. Renee Good probably had a valid driver's license, too. But if anyone remembers the Waukesha Christmas Parade (among other similar heinous crimes) an automobile can become a deadly weapon as soon as the driver decides to make it one. (And I'm not talking about accidents.)
As someone who legally conceal carries. Normal firearm, normal to carry a second mag.
What isn't normal is carry without your license in a state that requires it and antagonizing law enforcement.
Could have been a nun. And that -- irrelevant -- fact is all that you would hear. That's how it works.
BINGO
History lesson: this is what the democrats - the party of the Old South - did in the run up to The War Between The States in 1861; nullifying federal law when it didn’t suit them (unconstitutional) & not recognizing the duly elected president (Lincoln). They kicked him off the ballot in several states. Sound familiar?
Having a concealed carry permit is a serious responsibility. Your not a cop, not a vigilante, but a private citizen authorized to carry a concealed weapon for self-protection if threatened with serious bodily harm. There is no rational sane reason for Alex Pretti to be carrying a weapon while protesting and interfering with ICE agents making an arrest. How in the he'll are they supposed to know what his intentions are when the weapon is exposed. Did he unholster it, or did it discharge when he was being disarmed, and other agents fired for what they perceived as a threat. I don't know, but I do know this with absolute certainty, if he had left his weapon home he would be alive today.
Rules for protesters: bring your whistle, but leave your gun at home and don't point your car at the ICE agents, or better yet, stay home and let the Feds arrest and deport these illegals. Obama deported hundreds of thousands and if you didn't protest Barrack then protesting now isn't about some misguided support for illegals but simply TDS #Resistance which is blatantly pretty transparently stupid.
Dick Minnis
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I agree that if he hadn't brought his gun, he'd still be alive. But I don't feel confident that others who made the quick jump that he was trying to "attack" the agents are correct.
It doesn’t matter if he was trying to attack
He’s very stupid and now very dead.
It matters if you support the 2nd Amendment.
The problem is that the ICE officers have a split second to make a decision of whether to risk their life(ves) or shoot to kill the person carrying the gun, even if that person has aa concealed-carry permit. Further, just because one has a concealed-carry permit doesn't mean one doesn't use common sense in deciding when to carry and when not to carry a gun. In reality, there is, in general, only one reason to carrfy. concealed gun and that's to go to the shooting range.
Just curious if you are a 2nd Amendment supporter and if you think the "common sense" standard you just articulated is how you want the courts to decide on when citizens with a permit are allowed to carry their gun?
I haven't seen evidence this guy's gun was out at all when he was around the agents. I only saw a camera in his hand. In the scuffle, I couldn't see a thing about what he was doing with his hands or if the agents had his hands in theirs.
Totally agree.
And no one ever talks about the people who ICE has been rounding up to be deported. In Minnesota, it's been illegal aliens from Laos, for example, who have robbed, assaulted and some (and from other countries too) who have been convicted of strong-arm sodomizing of little girls and boys. That's who Democrats are driving around and protesting to PROTECT from ICE and from deportation.
I love how Minnesota nice protects child rapists.