Closing statements punctuate the two standouts of the debate - Ron DeSantis and Vivek Ramaswamy.
Tucker and Trump video now up to 80 million views:
Pence hits Vivek Ramaswamy on his youth - he hits back with talk of a Ronald Reagan, 1980 revolution.
“We need education, not indoctrination,” - DeSantis.
Neocons vs. populists — the border vs. Ukraine.
Pence and Chris Christie both go hard for Vivek but it is backfiring on them.
The January 6th stuff doesn’t play because the whole story isn’t being told. It will remain frustrating if they keep allowing Democrats to get away with what they did all through 2020 to rig that election, with gaslighting about the protests, changing voting rules, a billion dollars of dark money…talk about it.
Governor DeSantis “we need to end the weaponization of government.” YES, thank you.
Chris Christie says we need to stop “normalize” Trump’s behavior. He says nothing about Biden’s conduct. Biden’s conduct is far worse than Trump’s, IMO.
6:51 - Trump’s trials next on dock. Asa Hutchinson smirks as they go to break. It’s that kind of attitude that makes me want to root for Trump.
6:50 - DeSantis says it’s time to dump “Soros-backed” prosecutors.
6:48 — Mike Pence ignores the hopelessness we’re all feeling — pretends it’s just government.
6:47 - “National Identity Crisis,” — America is suffering from this, Vivek Ramaswamy
6:46 — Talk of Trump is so far not happening.
6:44—Mike Pence seems to have missed his moment. He just doesn’t have the same energy as the others.
“We’re better than what the Democrats are selling,” — Ron DeSantis
73 million views for Tucker and Trump video so far.
Nikki Haley slays when she says “if you want something said, ask a man. If you want something done, ask a woman.”
Chris Christie goes right after Vivek by calling him Chat GPT — mean.
“I’m the only one on this stage that isn’t bought and paid for….” — Vivek Ramaswamy
Asa Hutchinson is out of his element and should not be in this debate.
Doug Burgum comes off as a reasonable, nice fellow.
Watching Trump on Tucker and Trump is looking great; articulate, confident, grasp of facts and situation, authentic affinity with common Americans, plan to move forward and keep us out of needless wars that could ruin us. Biden is senile, corrupt and creepy.
I wish Tucker had addressed a few other issues like project warp speed, what Trump learned from the pandemic, etc. If just to clear the air, I also wished Tucker addressed his own personal comments about Trump.
In the end I support:
Energy independence
Free speech
Secure borders
Consequences for criminals
Manufacturing and job creation in the USA
A commitment to a “clean” environment/ conservation.
Freedom to make our own decisions and accept the consequences.
American exceptionalism
So which candidate can “try” to deliver some or all of that?
I'm particularly interested to see how Vivek does. He, Trump and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. are three of the least scripted politicians I've ever heard speak, but that style may not work so well for Vivek in the debate format, which really constrains the ability of a candidate to explain himself. For many people this will be their first time hearing Vivek. There's a lot at stake for him.
I fucking hate these debacles, no matter who/which party is involved. They are nothing but wholly contrived spectacles designed to bamboozle the voting public. When I am King, I shall abolish them.
Next time you post a comment make a better effort to be well-informed. Both Ramaswamy and Haley were born in the United States to legal immigrant parents; they are natural born citizens. That information is easily found on the Internet.
@John: thank you! But seriously, the brave "Vonu" hiding behind his pseudonym already knows that. He just wants to drag you into a pointless back-and-forth to deal with whatever emotional issue prompts him to troll in the first place. It's feigned ignorance. Don't take the bait.
It is not a pseudonym. It is the screen name that Disqus gave me. Do you have anything to say that isn't straight ad hominem attack, since you are too f***ing lazy to do the research I did? Go read wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_(United_States)
I get your point, but citing Wikipedia (which anyone can add to, and whose editors are known to be quite biased) is kinda lame. It would probably be better to cite the actual law or provision or whatever.
If you'd bothered to read the cited Wikipedia page and followed its links to those you can't cite yourself, you'd know why your argument is lamer than their non-existent one.
I can't help it that you can't explain why the men who wrote the Constitution used advice from Emmerich de Vattel's 1758 The Law of Nations to decide to put the "natural born citizen" phrase in just the presidential qualifications. That information is equally easy to find if you knew how to use a search engine better than a troll does.
Poor babe. You must be tired a lot. And, you sound like Biden who was also tired of dealing with the unjabbed. Speaking of Biden and tired, did he fall asleep at a ceremony in Hawaii?
You don't have to cling to him to understand that this isn't something we can allow to happen in this country. We can't have an establishment of an elite ruling class using our justice system this way. It's just not right. you don't have to vote for him or even support him to understand that.
Uh so, manufacturing a dossier, using the FBI to concoct a phony story that Trump was a Russian asset BEFORE 2016, a bogus impeachment in 2018, not to mention nonstop screeching attacks all day long on social media and the media that had no bottom - they were dehumanization on a scale we've never seen -- then a rigged election by the richest and most powerful people in the world that cost one billion, required an entire media to lie and gaslight the public about the protests and COVID, all to take Trump out of power -- and I'm supposed to take THIS seriously? Look man, you can tell yourself whatever fantasy you want - that's okay with me, but don't try to draw me into it. We all know what this is.
The fact that the "elites" haven't yet shown any substance publicly you are referring to tells the entire story. If they have to keep everything under wraps, there is no there, there.
Discovery is a wonderful thing in the justice system. The prosecuting attorneys are about to find out the hard way. Ask Hunter about his plea agreement.
I'm sure it will be worthwhile. Tucker will try to keep Trump from wandering or repeating himself. Most important is Tucker's interview with Col. Douglas Macgregor from a few days ago. The Ukraine war is emblematic of everything that's gone horribly wrong with the world. Russia has become a target due to its refusal to sign onto the WEF, EU, UN, and Biden globalist agenda. The Ukrainians are committing suicide, just as we are.
What a crackpot comment. Putin's Russia invaded Ukraine in an effort to reconstitute the greater Russian empire. Russia targeted Ukraine and is committing war crimes there.
It’s not about Ukraine, they’re just a proxy state for the west. Did you equally “Stand with Iraq” after we started bombing there illegally? If not then you’re a hypocrite.
But yes, I do condemn all acts of war so I’m not gonna give Putin a pass. It’s just not as simple as “Putin bad, US/Ukraine good”....
No, but Ukraine with US-operated bio labs (which Neuland admitted), and Ukraine with US political control and Ukraine part of NATO is a threat to Russian security. Put the shoe on the other foot and ask how we would react to a similar arrangement between Mexico and Russia.
The US created an entanglement when Clinton & Blair convinced Ukraine to give up its nukes, promising (without binding treat) to defend them.
James Baker promised Russia (Gorby) that the US would not support expanding NATO into eastern Europe if the Soviets let go of E Germany. That agreement as betrayed by W, and Gorby was bitter about it - and being made an object of hate in his country - until the end.
Does that justify a Russian invasion? No. Nor But it doesn't make one a "Putin Lover" to understand the US role , or understanding how Russia (not just Putin) view the security picture.
Col McGregor has seen more warfare and been better educated it than anything remotely compared to your knowledge. Check his CV. He says Ukraine already lost and it was a CIA setup; all the evidence available points to him being correct.
My guess is the least impressive candidate tonight will seem brilliant compared to Biden. I hope America tunes in. A field of common sense candidates will stand in stark contrast to the democratic debate that very likely will never happen. Americans can make up their own minds.
I realize I’m dreaming but I really hope Vivek wipes the floor with all of them. A Trump-Ramaswamy ticket couldn’t be beat. It would be a ticket featuring uninhibited honesty and calm intellectualism.
Vivek has already said he’s not interested in being Trump’s vp. He also says Trump is too intensely hated by too many to govern if he did win and even if he did the democrats would simply steal the election again as they did in 2020 so he’d never make it to the White House. What’s the Plan B for when that happens again? Another protest rally at the Capitol? Trump supporters have no Plan B because there is none so they will just follow Trump over the cliff since Trump is determined to try it again. Trump loves America but loves Trump even more. His huge ego has enabled him to easily shrug off the nonstop hate campaign against him but also makes it impossible for him to do what’s best for the country.
How about voting just in case. If you don’t, we are doomed. Hoping the republicans have gotten their act together about countering the dem dirty tricks.
I was told by one man that I should vote anyway, in order to make them "cheat harder."
I just don't see the point.
Nothing has been done to remedy the issues here in AZ, or I would still go for it. Kari Lake & Abe Hamadeh are still battling it out in court, but the legislature has not fixed anything.
I saw a video of Kari Lake where she said of the democrats, “they’re evil bastards” yet Kari hasn’t given up the fight. Don’t be a mouse. Keep fighting and hope for the best.
Actually, mice are pretty persistent. BE a mouse and give it your best no matter what. It’s on us to do what we can. If they’re lying, cheating bastards, well, that’s on them.
Two very important reasons. He doesn’t have the extremely heavy baggage of being intensely hated by so much of the country. For the past 7 years the democrats and their media have demonized Trump as a monster, another Hitler, evil incarnate, Satan in the flesh, one of the most monstrously evil men to have ever walked the earth. Many believe this about Trump which would make governing impossible even if he did somehow make it to the White House.
The 2nd reason is that his commitment to meritocracy and traditional values is basically a commitment to civilization. Elon Musk says Woke is a mind virus and a threat to civilization which must be defeated. Vivek agrees. He’s a young, brown Hindu, super smart, very articulate, obviously driven and totally committed to saving civilization. He will be very popular here with young people, minorities and those who understand what he’s saying, not only here but globally, especially India where traditional values are part of Hinduism and considered sacred. This global focus on the election will make it impossible for the democrats to steal the election. The question is though, even if he makes to the White House can even someone as talented as Vivek govern a society as fragmented as this?
Hindu to British Colonial officer: "but Sahib, it is our tradition to burn the wife on the husband's funeral pyre." Brit officer to Hindu: "yes, and it's our tradition to hang anyone who burns another person alive."
Not all traditional values are good but it’s always best to understand why a fence was put up before tearing it down. In other words, don’t throw out the baby with the bath water which is what our ruling class has done, big time. A perfect example is their opening of the southern border for the sake of political gain which in fact is destroying the country.
Chicago is “overwhelmed” with 13,000 “migrants” bused here from Texas. What will we do a year from now when that number is 2 or 3 times more? How about 130,000? Most of these people will never show up for a court date and those who do and are denied asylum just ignore the order to leave the country since it’s not enforced and they know that. No borders means no country. This is suicide. This is insane.
Trump was never actually running against Biden who spent most of the “campaign” in his basement. It was the msm that was the other candidate in the election, not Biden. On the rare occasions Joe would leave his basement reporters would ask him questions like “Joe, when the fascist dictator Trump loses the election do you think he will concede defeat or will the military have to be sent in to drag him out of the White House?” Big Tech also greatly helped Joe win by censoring any information that was critical of him and rigging the Google search function to favor Biden and slander Trump.
Even excluding voter machine rigging and mail-in-ballot fraud there were the 4 years of very vigorous voter manipulation by the msm and Big Tech. The idea that this was an honest and legitimate election is simply absurd. This election was stolen by the left and their many useful idiot followers who believe whatever slop the msm tosses out for them to believe.
We lack a common reality, have become incomprehensible to each other and can no longer communicate. Where is the common ground in such an infinitely wide divide? There obviously is none. We always just talk past each other. This can only get worse and is getting worse by the day. The same people who insist Jan 6 was an “Insurrection!” have no problem with Joe’s open southern border or pornography for public school children. This is simply not working at all. Megyn talks about children’s book “Gender Queer.” How truly awful. I highly recommend sending this one to friends and family.
“Megyn Kelly and Chris Rufo Call Out Former President Obama Speaking About ‘Book Bans.’ (9 min)
I cannot cite chapter and verse, but, as a person who has been a political junkie since Secretariat won the Triple Crown, I seem to recall that disavowing any interest in being VP has long been part of the game. Ramaswamy may or may not be interested in being VP. But he would almost certainly say he was not, even if he was. Any candidate who proceeded otherwise would be dismissed as merely running for VP, causing a decline that would reduce the chances of becoming VP. It is to considerable extent a game.
Vivek is not playing a game. He understands how deadly this situation is and takes this very seriously. You don’t understand him at all and apparently don’t understand how disastrous our situation is. You should watch the video I posted here of Vivek and Jordan Peterson talking about the unraveling of our civilization.
I understand perfectly well how disastrous our situation is. If anything I am overly "gloom and doom". Leftist ideology positively demands a One-Party State. What may be called the "Divisionist" half is just Marxism re-framed in terms of race etc. instead of class. And what may be called the Rejectionist half, by rejecting objective truth, conveniently discards the concept of fallacies in order to employ a veritable library of all known fallacies in the cause of indoctrination, which an entire generation has now fallen prey to. And though it is difficult to prove a negative, I have not seen Jordan Peterson (or while I am at it, Douglas Murray) ever note this last part.
Seva, I agree that Vivek can and should be the philosophical leader of a revolution (political, not physical). I agree with his ideas, and his willingness to speak the truth without flinching.
But, I see Vivek as the Thomas Jefferson of this Revolution. Who will be the George Washington? The guy who does what’s needed to implement the philosophy and make sure it has a solid foundation in a real government, then turns the reins over to the philosopher to maintain it.
Do you think Vivek can fulfill both roles? I’m not sure it’s a good idea.
He has many specific ideas of how he will deal with the deep state. He has videos on all kinds of things. Do a search on YouTube and you’ll find them. He has a lot of energy and a deep drive and commitment because he understands the consequences of this war not only for us but for the world. Plus he already has many very highly intelligent friends like Elon, Bret Weinstein and others that he can get advice from to help him. I’d like to see Tulsi as his vp. What a great team that would be. Two “people of color.” It’d drive the Woke left crazy since they believe such people are only supposed to agree with them about race and gender. I once saw a video of Dave Rubin who said he gets extra points from the left for being gay but then loses far more points for being a white male. He considers that quite insane which it certainly is.
Keith, I hope Vivek wipes the floor, but I, for one, don't want Vivek as Trump's VP running made. That would ruin his future chances. I also hope the debate is about Biden and his policies. A Biden debate could unite Republicans, not divide them as the Democrats and the MSM are trying to do.
No, unfortunately the topics were mostly great for democrats. Climate change, the "insurrection", etc. Just the stuff democrats would wish the election to be about. What a shocker.
Superb conversation between a couple of our best public intellectuals, Jordan Peterson and Vivek Ramaswamy, about the “ideal” vs the “marginalized” and how this has led to the marginalized becoming dominant which then leads to the marginalized being cannibalized by those even further out on the fringe which destroys the “ideal” which creates a totally dysfunctional society where all lose their freedom and end up with civilizational collapse. Very well done. An excellent insight into why our society is so rapidly unraveling. Beautifully insightful.
“Why the “Marginalized” Exist.” (12 min)
Jordan Peterson interviews Vivek Ramaswamy. July 21, 2023
“This wouldn’t be the first time that religious zeal scoffed at sexual norms as obstacles to holiness – the history of free-love communes and orgiastic rites offers plenty of case studies. Early Christians believed that grace and faith freed believers from observing the strictures of Jewish law, an idea called “antinomianism.” This idea historically reappears in extreme forms to make the controversial claim that breaking the earthly bonds of sin and death requires obliterating sexual taboos.”
“Queering Jesus: How It’s Going Mainstream at Progressive Churches and Top Divinity Schools.”
After watching McGregor with Tucker and then the officials that played their devastating parts in the destruction of dear Lahaina, I’m back with Trump.
Vivek identifies Kensington (worst section of Philly) and South Side Chicago as places the other contenders neither know or mention; tells the others to see their pope in Kiev. Lol. Vivek kicks Pence Neocon ass.
The problem, as always, is ballot access in all 50 states, which is dependent on the two big parties at the local level. Both the DNC and RNC are corrupt racketeering organizations. A former federal prosecutor like Christie should know that.
I was looking forward a little to the debate until Bret Baier answered a viewer question about who writes the debate questions in a very careful way. The viewer question was "Do you and Martha write the debate questions?" Then, it was something like "there's a lot of input blah blah blah". The answer should have just been "YES!". The answer he gave immediately made me think the network is approving the questions.
Does anyone else laugh at the fact that Chris Christie does not realize he is in the exact same "darling of the left media" position as Trump was in 2016? Useful idiot indeed. He's too stupid to realize they are playing him and will hate him with just as much vigor if he were to be the candidate.
He reminds me more of McCain, who received a rude awakening when he ran against Barack. The same media drones who had loved his "rogue" image (whenever he bashed fellow Republicans) turned on him in an instant. He actually looked shocked.
I will be watching Tucker’s on Twitter. President Trump is far more interesting than most on the RINO/Trump haters on that stage! The ONLY other person I’m interested in hearing from, other than Trump, is Vivek Ramaswamy...who I’d love to see on the same ticket as a VP for Trump!
My interest is in seeing if anyone on the stage can convince me that he or she will be as tough as Trump when it matters most. I doubt Putin would have invaded Ukraine had Trump been President. I also want to hear their views on climate change and especially on energy. I will be looking for someone who is favorable toward our ability to use our Natgas resources , interested in selling excess to others especially Europe, and most important, willing to make investments into the new improved use of nuclear energy.
Vivek is a most interesting man, though I think he is young and has no political experience. I once thought highly of Chris Christy, then went off him, and now I want to reassess him in this context..
I want to know a lot more about Doug Burgum, who seems to have been a good governor for N Dakota. I am also hoping, without much hope, to hear from someone whose views on abortion are not scorched earth.
I would be much more supportive of Trump if he would start talking about how he would reverse Biden's truly awful policies and fix our country. I want to see someone with a tough exterior and a strong committed vision of our future.
Here’s an excellent video of Amy Wax below being interviewed by Glenn Loury. A couple of highly intelligent public intellectuals talking about the super hot potato of racial group differences. The whole video is worth watching but about about the last 15 min, the 1:08 min point to the end, of the video of Loury and Wax talking about how the war on social norms and meritocracy is destroying our society are the best part. An excellent assessment of why our civilization is collapsing. Any serious consideration of saving our society would have to deal with the issues they raise. Would it be at all possible though to deal with issues which have in fact already driven much of our society quite insane? And just consider the fact the Vivek’s campaign is specifically based on fighting to save meritocracy and traditional values.
Seva, you make excellent comments that summarize a point and then back it up with references. Well done and appreciated. Btw had lunch with my Marine and Army siblings today and the Army Vietnam vet told funny story of how he and a friend joined under the Buddy System where they were supposed to be stationed together for a while; they got on the train to boot camp from Philly and were immediately separated by Ohio. Lol.
The Marine is, as you know, “once a Marine, always a Marine”. He loved the experience. The Army was wounded in.Vietnam and is somber. They both hate the Neocons for fomenting war in Ukraine.
Personally, I don’t give a rats rear end, about the debate. It is useless. Trump, is the runaway winner of any, primary. I will make him a ‘write-in,’ if necessary. I encourage everyone, to do likewise.
The "candidates" are all phony and paid off actors, so I will be watching the real President Donald J. Trump on Tucker or nothing at all.
The only thing the phonies can do is parrot their memorized script that someone else wrote and hope they "perform" well enough to pull MAGA votes from Trump. It's a shit show.
He did screw up by appointing the wrong people to some positions, but overall, he did a fantastic job -- particularly when one considers that he had to do it without the support of most Republican Congress Critters, and while being relentlessly bashed by media and Dems who were busy pushing the Russia Collusion nonsense.
He's been impeached twice, indicted four times, he protested a presidential election for the first time in history -- coward is not the word I would use to describe Trump. Chris Christie is a useful idiot for the Left. Maybe he'll get a job at MSNBC out of it.
For the record: Gore protested the 2000 election; Hillary, et al, protested the 2016, election; then, there was the Black lady who protested the Georgia, election.
This is the first time in American history, that ANY candidate has been indicted even ONCE ...for exercising the First Amendment.
The particulars can be found on the web or, X (Twitter): Article III Project.
However, Stacey was never denounced as an "election denier," was she?
Neither was Hillary -- who cooked up the whole Russia Collusion story in the first place. Neither they, nor any of their supporters, were ever indicted for any of this nonsense being used against Trump.
You can cosplay that fantasy if it makes you feel better. I understand delusion is the name of the game. Tulsi is on Fox because she was called a Russian spy by Hillary and the Left, discarded like a piece of trash for being noncompliant.
I thought that when you call someone a liar they're just supposed to sit back and take it, like Trump. Or are you suggesting that some people who accuse others of lying are not acting in good faith...
"Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the man who cleaned up New York City, removed the crime syndicate from power and held the prayerful hands of our nation during 9/11/01, is brought before a corrupt judicial system in Fulton County, Georgia, treated like a common criminal and targeted because of his politics.
This is shameful beyond words."
Indeed. The same is happening to a President who gave you the highest purchasing power in your lives.
“The same is happening to a President who gave you the highest purchasing power in your lives.“
And the people doing this are the same people who opened the southern border, demonized the police so much that we now have surging crime in our cities as the cops abandon police work and dumbed down our schools that now poison children with Woke race and gender ideology. This is just not working at all. This is obviously unsustainable.
Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, businessman Vivek Ramaswamy, former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, former Vice President Mike Pence and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.
I am betting Vivek is recognized as “winner”, Pence, Christie, Hutchinson, Burgum fail miserably. And the rest of the field fall further behind Trump.
The Democrats have nothing to be gleeful about - the have an unpopular candidate who’s mentally not very ‘with it’ to say the least and who’s drowning in corruption & treason allegations...there will be no debating on the Democrat side because there’s no one at home...they are hollow...
Pastor Mike has become an insufferably self-righteous, pompous, Bible-thumping bore.
"I stand with the Constitution," he says, but can't bring himself to denounce the violations of 4th amendment rights, denial of due process, etc., for J6 defendants, or the prosecution of Trump admin officials and supporters for political reasons. Or the use the Patriot Act against US citizens, labeling political dissenters as "terrorists."
A good assessment of our Ukraine debacle but he’s wrong that this won’t be a campaign issue in 2024. Vivek, quite rightly, hates this proxy war on Russia in Ukraine to secure their borders while ours are wide open and millions of “migrants” that we know nothing at all about are pouring in. This is insane. This is suicide. This has to stop.
“The future of Ukraine: What does peace look like?” (6 min)
Two more observations. Doug Burgum is a true conservative, given his reply about abortion and the tenth amendment. And Nicki Haley has killed it, in my opinion, by invoking Margaret Thatcher and on the economy. She might even be able to sell her abortion position to the suburban women lost in 2020.
Pence just dodged and wove (weaved?) and neatly did not answer the question about his administrations vivid response. He should ask his lord and saviour for forgiveness for his management of the pandemic. I am not mocking Pence for his faith, which I believe is deep and sincere, but criticizing him for his failure to take responsibility for his part of the Civic fiasco.
You can edit a comment by tapping the 3 dots on the right to edit. I just accidentally posted this to your comment above so I deleted it and reposted it here. It’s a handy feature.
I really like VR but it was a mistake to make that "bought and paid for" comment. Petty and puts the attention on them and off himself. I suspect he regretted it as soon as it came out of his mouth.
i was only going to watch when I heard Larry Elder got in. One of the very few times i donated a little (other than for his governor run), only becasue I wanted him on that stage. He would win any debate against the losers on that stage.
I’m interested in both. I wish Trump would participate. He says he won’t do any of the debates. That’s disappointing. I’ll likely watch the debate and then watch Tucker after. Vivek has been caught in a few lies in the past few days and that concerns me, mostly because he just denied what he had previously said, when it was recorded and easy to check. I expect they will be attacking DeSantis most of the night. It will be interesting to hear your take on it all Sasha!
I think it is a mistake on Trump's part to skip the debate. The others will start gaining more and more attention for their views, while Trump will only be in the news because of the indictments, and if he wants to keep his support, he must start talking about his plans and policies. It's still a long way to election day, and he could lose his momentum if he doesn't give his supporters the red meat they need.
Seriously, if he was there he would be the target of EVERY candidate AND the moderators. What’s the upside to that? Calling Trump a coward is just psy ops. Timing is everything and people have short memories. IMO, Red meat will be served in abundance in due course. 🥩
It's unbearably hot and humid today where I live, so I have three choices for this evening: (1) Watch a joint press conference held in Milwaukee with eight people trying to gain attention with trivial soundbites (2) Watch a formerly serious writer bootlick one of the lowest character people to ever be President (3) Read a serious book about interpreting the U.S. Constitution. I choose #3.
Christie is a smarmy swamp creature playing to weaken Trump at the behest of the administrative state. DeSantis has a great future. Vivek is playing to be Trump’s veep pick. Trump’s interview with Tucker made the debate all but totally irrelevant.
Glenn Greenwald is one of our best. In this post debate analysis he says Vivek is the one most closely ideologically aligned with Trump. Glenn asks Rep Matt Gaetz why the others are so pro-war on Ukraine. He says because that’s what the RNC donor class wants. Vivek says the same and when Tucker asked RFK why Chris Christie was so much in favor of funding the war in Ukraine, RFK also said because that’s what his donors want. Excerpt below is from the text on locals. Link to the rumble video below, starts at 2 min point. Can’t seem to skip ahead so just let it run till then. I’m very pro-Vivek so it’s nice to see someone I respect as much as Glenn agree.
“Glenn Greenwald: I want to ask you, one of the clarifying parts of the discussion, to the extent there was one involving policy, was the section on Ukraine. There was one candidate - and one candidate only - emphatically saying we shouldn't be sending our money to Ukraine while we have all kinds of problems here at home, including with our own border, never mind the Ukrainian border. DeSantis, as Vivek kind of mocked him for, had his finger in the air saying, "Let's get the Europeans to pay more," which isn't really a position. To me, it seemed like a kind of Republican Party debate that could have happened in 2004, 2008, 2012. The kind of Republican Party before Trump changed it. What are these people doing when they look at the polling data, seeing that Republicans overwhelmingly don't want to send money to Ukraine and saying that they don't care, they want that money going anyway?”
“Post Debate Analysis Live from Milwaukee.” (20 min)
Here’s an excellent video from the Hindustan Times, an Indian English-language daily newspaper based in Delhi. A good example of why Vivek will be so immensely popular globally, especially in India. This global focus on the election will make it impossible for the democrats to steal the election from Vivek in 2024 as they most surely did from Trump in 2020. Trump was the best person for the presidency in 2016 and would have made this country vastly better if he had been allowed to have his 2nd term. Now though, Vivek is the best choice not only for America but for the world. He will be a global superstar. All things are now global in our always online global civilization.
“Indian-American Vivek Ramaswamy Called ‘Rookie…ChatGPT,’ Shines At Republican Debate.” (4 min)
Says Mr Woke with the Fake name who knows nothing at all about anything yet believes he knows it all. A typical Woke leftist. A classic example of Woke leftism.
I don’t use my vet status for anything and don’t even consider myself a vet since I was never in combat. I joined the Marines in May of 1968 when I was 17, turned 18 in boot camp and in 1969, when I was 19, got orders for the Ground Forces of the 3rd Marine Division in Vietnam. On the way there my plane stopped on Okinawa for refueling. They happened to need replacements so they took my company off the plane, changed our orders and made that our home base. From there we spent time in places like the Philippines and Japan but never in Vietnam so I don’t consider myself a vet. And don’t call me an old man! Physically I feel about 30 and have super good health. I feel I could easily live another 30 years which I plan to use to fight Woke fanatics like you and your hate whitey Woke leftist friends.
Lefties, or former lefties, please weigh in here. Frankly, there are only two candidates - the ones who have had fiduciary responsibilities and answer to others - that I will even consider. The rest belong to globalist GOPe donors and have never had real jobs in the private sector answering to others.
You may not like the man but no president in history can match the accomplishments of his administration for the best interests of this nation in just 4 years.
Once Again Define GOP RINOS, NEOCONS? I'm so old I remember when RINO actually meant more than someone did/voted someway I didn't like. Neocon, ou mean someone who want an aggressive foreign policy?
support for aggressive foreign policy through military might. 4 of my siblings and I served in the military and we’re against all these needless wars that Dems and Neocons have gotten us into for the last 60 years. Neocons don’t actually serve in the military btw.
"The Republicans are the uni-party because they go along with whatever the Dems do. They are RINO’s."
Are you REALLY sure you want to stand by that? Come into my parlor said the spider to the fly.
What is interesting is you can find people on The Left/Democrats saying this very thing about Democrats. They always do what The Republicans want. They never stand up for their principles.
Curious isn't it? People on both sides saying the Same Thing. Both are Right & Wrong.
I am just hoping I don't have to say "I've Seen This Movie Before."
The thing is in these Joint Press Conferences (they are NOT debates) The goal of the candidates is NOT to provide information to the public. Their goal is the Not Screw The Pooch. You will not hear any Off The Cuff remarks. Anything they say will have been rehearsed 47 times.
Also Donald Trump is going on Tucker Carlson to suck ALL the media attention to Him And Tucker. Donald Trump Cannot stand people paying attention to anyone else.
I will be updating this post, so please keep checking as the day progresses. I just added a video of Tucker previewing his interview.
Watching Trump on Tucker and Trump is looking great; articulate, confident, grasp of facts and situation, authentic affinity with common Americans, plan to move forward and keep us out of needless wars that could ruin us. Biden is senile, corrupt and creepy.
I wish Tucker had addressed a few other issues like project warp speed, what Trump learned from the pandemic, etc. If just to clear the air, I also wished Tucker addressed his own personal comments about Trump.
In the end I support:
Energy independence
Free speech
Secure borders
Consequences for criminals
Manufacturing and job creation in the USA
A commitment to a “clean” environment/ conservation.
Freedom to make our own decisions and accept the consequences.
American exceptionalism
So which candidate can “try” to deliver some or all of that?
And nothing but Soft Ball questions I venture....a Fanboy.
Watching it now. Actually petty good. Tucker is really good at these 1 on 1 conversations.
Rumble Locked Up!
Oh no! I forgot it was on Rumble too.
I was watching it on rumble when it suddenly locked up. Maybe it just my old system.
Now ts working. This MAY be part of THE PLOT!
Probably!
:-)
Of course, that is where the action is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDinwnwIeiI
I'm particularly interested to see how Vivek does. He, Trump and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. are three of the least scripted politicians I've ever heard speak, but that style may not work so well for Vivek in the debate format, which really constrains the ability of a candidate to explain himself. For many people this will be their first time hearing Vivek. There's a lot at stake for him.
I fucking hate these debacles, no matter who/which party is involved. They are nothing but wholly contrived spectacles designed to bamboozle the voting public. When I am King, I shall abolish them.
Shut up Joe- you’ve had two years to do something and you haven’t 🙄
Will you have to go through a primary on path to King? I’m rooting for you to be King.
No primaries, either! Total monarchy...back to the drawing board! I can't wait to declare 'off with their heads!'
One is born into being a monarch, not elected.
“It’s good to be the king!”
Huzzah!
Neither Ramaswamy nor Haley are natural born citizens, so an honest debate wouldn't even include them.
Next time you post a comment make a better effort to be well-informed. Both Ramaswamy and Haley were born in the United States to legal immigrant parents; they are natural born citizens. That information is easily found on the Internet.
@John: thank you! But seriously, the brave "Vonu" hiding behind his pseudonym already knows that. He just wants to drag you into a pointless back-and-forth to deal with whatever emotional issue prompts him to troll in the first place. It's feigned ignorance. Don't take the bait.
It is not a pseudonym. It is the screen name that Disqus gave me. Do you have anything to say that isn't straight ad hominem attack, since you are too f***ing lazy to do the research I did? Go read wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_(United_States)
I get your point, but citing Wikipedia (which anyone can add to, and whose editors are known to be quite biased) is kinda lame. It would probably be better to cite the actual law or provision or whatever.
If you'd bothered to read the cited Wikipedia page and followed its links to those you can't cite yourself, you'd know why your argument is lamer than their non-existent one.
Wikipedia! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you.
@ALL: Please do not reply to this troll.
Please, please, follow Chris' advice. He'll go away if none of us engage.
I can't help it that you can't explain why the men who wrote the Constitution used advice from Emmerich de Vattel's 1758 The Law of Nations to decide to put the "natural born citizen" phrase in just the presidential qualifications. That information is equally easy to find if you knew how to use a search engine better than a troll does.
Thank you.
Vivek was born in Cincinnati
To two Indian citizens instead of to two American citizens as was meant by "natural born citizen" in the Constitution. Go read wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_(United_States)
Does that mean that Barack was ineligible, because his dad was from Kenya?
Nope, it means he was ineligible because his father was never an American citizen.
That's what I was getting at.
I heard that same objection to Ted Cruz, because one or both of his parents were from Cuba.
You may be on to something, but nobody seems to want to hear it.
Wrong- they were both born in the USA...study up Bud 😂😂😂
Go read wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_(United_States) and learn how wrong you are or STFU. I'm tired of ignorant people who are too f***ing lazy to do research.
Poor babe. You must be tired a lot. And, you sound like Biden who was also tired of dealing with the unjabbed. Speaking of Biden and tired, did he fall asleep at a ceremony in Hawaii?
Consider yourself to be ignored henceforth, since I didn't vote for Biden or Trump.
I think that I’ll survive that. Who said anything about for whom you voted?
Huh? Yes they are.
Substack won't return to the thread, so I don't know who or what you are talking about.
Tucker video 78 million views already.
Double that awesomeness! “Key Facts. The interview, posted on Carlson's X account, has received 154.7 million views as of 7:00 a.m. Eastern time Thursday.” https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/08/24/trumps-interview-with-tucker-carlson-has-more-than-150-million-views-on-x--heres-why-thats-misleading/amp/
You don't have to cling to him to understand that this isn't something we can allow to happen in this country. We can't have an establishment of an elite ruling class using our justice system this way. It's just not right. you don't have to vote for him or even support him to understand that.
That, seems to be something that the hardcore democrat just can’t understand. Critical thinking freed, you; they, on the other hand, cannot.
How about he's innocent until he is PROVEN guilty. Sounds like you got the cart before the horse just a bit.
Maybe he thinks the donkey is a horse.
Uh so, manufacturing a dossier, using the FBI to concoct a phony story that Trump was a Russian asset BEFORE 2016, a bogus impeachment in 2018, not to mention nonstop screeching attacks all day long on social media and the media that had no bottom - they were dehumanization on a scale we've never seen -- then a rigged election by the richest and most powerful people in the world that cost one billion, required an entire media to lie and gaslight the public about the protests and COVID, all to take Trump out of power -- and I'm supposed to take THIS seriously? Look man, you can tell yourself whatever fantasy you want - that's okay with me, but don't try to draw me into it. We all know what this is.
The fact that the "elites" haven't yet shown any substance publicly you are referring to tells the entire story. If they have to keep everything under wraps, there is no there, there.
Discovery is a wonderful thing in the justice system. The prosecuting attorneys are about to find out the hard way. Ask Hunter about his plea agreement.
Did you read the indictment? LOL - Some of the counts listed “making phone calls” “having conversations”.
Thoughtcrime.
That's not the way this works. Take a civics class.
Civics is taught to make good citizens, like Good Germans.
In American, we are presumed to be innocent until proven guilty.
I'm sure it will be worthwhile. Tucker will try to keep Trump from wandering or repeating himself. Most important is Tucker's interview with Col. Douglas Macgregor from a few days ago. The Ukraine war is emblematic of everything that's gone horribly wrong with the world. Russia has become a target due to its refusal to sign onto the WEF, EU, UN, and Biden globalist agenda. The Ukrainians are committing suicide, just as we are.
What a crackpot comment. Putin's Russia invaded Ukraine in an effort to reconstitute the greater Russian empire. Russia targeted Ukraine and is committing war crimes there.
Actually your comment is what’s crockpot. This is about NATO expansion and the threat it poses to Russia, so they fought back.
Ah, yes, another Putin lover. So Ukraine with no nuclear weapons was a threat to Russia?
One doesn't have to be a "Putin lover" to see what's going on in Ukraine.
The continued expansion of NATO is a threat to Russia.
The military industrial complex is just itching to get us into a war with Russia.
Didn't you ever wonder why NATO wasn't dissolved after the USSR imploded?
It’s not about Ukraine, they’re just a proxy state for the west. Did you equally “Stand with Iraq” after we started bombing there illegally? If not then you’re a hypocrite.
But yes, I do condemn all acts of war so I’m not gonna give Putin a pass. It’s just not as simple as “Putin bad, US/Ukraine good”....
I blame Victoria Nuland
No, but Ukraine with US-operated bio labs (which Neuland admitted), and Ukraine with US political control and Ukraine part of NATO is a threat to Russian security. Put the shoe on the other foot and ask how we would react to a similar arrangement between Mexico and Russia.
The US created an entanglement when Clinton & Blair convinced Ukraine to give up its nukes, promising (without binding treat) to defend them.
James Baker promised Russia (Gorby) that the US would not support expanding NATO into eastern Europe if the Soviets let go of E Germany. That agreement as betrayed by W, and Gorby was bitter about it - and being made an object of hate in his country - until the end.
Does that justify a Russian invasion? No. Nor But it doesn't make one a "Putin Lover" to understand the US role , or understanding how Russia (not just Putin) view the security picture.
It is not our war.
It has received all of our donated weapons.
Indeed, it has.
We have no vital interests in Ukraine (other than those biolabs, apparently), & should not be sending billions in aid every few weeks.
Military Industrial Complex drones are just itching for a new war.
The Military Industrial Complex has nothing on Ray McGovern's MICIMATT complex.
Col McGregor has seen more warfare and been better educated it than anything remotely compared to your knowledge. Check his CV. He says Ukraine already lost and it was a CIA setup; all the evidence available points to him being correct.
I guess you are completely ignorant about the CIA's Maidan revolution and the legitimately elected president it deposed.
There is no need to be critical. Did you hear his interview? He is perhaps the most educated person out there other than The Duran on this conflict
Russia has always been a target because it won't "share" its enormous natural resources.
My guess is the least impressive candidate tonight will seem brilliant compared to Biden. I hope America tunes in. A field of common sense candidates will stand in stark contrast to the democratic debate that very likely will never happen. Americans can make up their own minds.
A potato is intellectually superior to Brandon.
You mean Bob Peters.
I realize I’m dreaming but I really hope Vivek wipes the floor with all of them. A Trump-Ramaswamy ticket couldn’t be beat. It would be a ticket featuring uninhibited honesty and calm intellectualism.
Vivek has already said he’s not interested in being Trump’s vp. He also says Trump is too intensely hated by too many to govern if he did win and even if he did the democrats would simply steal the election again as they did in 2020 so he’d never make it to the White House. What’s the Plan B for when that happens again? Another protest rally at the Capitol? Trump supporters have no Plan B because there is none so they will just follow Trump over the cliff since Trump is determined to try it again. Trump loves America but loves Trump even more. His huge ego has enabled him to easily shrug off the nonstop hate campaign against him but also makes it impossible for him to do what’s best for the country.
So what's to stop them from stealing the election from any Republican?
Nothing at all.
Exactly.
I'm in AZ, where the last 2 elections were stolen.
I'm not planning to vote.
How about voting just in case. If you don’t, we are doomed. Hoping the republicans have gotten their act together about countering the dem dirty tricks.
Sure. Where would we be today if the American colonists hadn't shown up to vote for independence from Great Britain?
I was told by one man that I should vote anyway, in order to make them "cheat harder."
I just don't see the point.
Nothing has been done to remedy the issues here in AZ, or I would still go for it. Kari Lake & Abe Hamadeh are still battling it out in court, but the legislature has not fixed anything.
I wish you luck in your state, though!
I saw a video of Kari Lake where she said of the democrats, “they’re evil bastards” yet Kari hasn’t given up the fight. Don’t be a mouse. Keep fighting and hope for the best.
Actually, mice are pretty persistent. BE a mouse and give it your best no matter what. It’s on us to do what we can. If they’re lying, cheating bastards, well, that’s on them.
Two very important reasons. He doesn’t have the extremely heavy baggage of being intensely hated by so much of the country. For the past 7 years the democrats and their media have demonized Trump as a monster, another Hitler, evil incarnate, Satan in the flesh, one of the most monstrously evil men to have ever walked the earth. Many believe this about Trump which would make governing impossible even if he did somehow make it to the White House.
The 2nd reason is that his commitment to meritocracy and traditional values is basically a commitment to civilization. Elon Musk says Woke is a mind virus and a threat to civilization which must be defeated. Vivek agrees. He’s a young, brown Hindu, super smart, very articulate, obviously driven and totally committed to saving civilization. He will be very popular here with young people, minorities and those who understand what he’s saying, not only here but globally, especially India where traditional values are part of Hinduism and considered sacred. This global focus on the election will make it impossible for the democrats to steal the election. The question is though, even if he makes to the White House can even someone as talented as Vivek govern a society as fragmented as this?
Hindu to British Colonial officer: "but Sahib, it is our tradition to burn the wife on the husband's funeral pyre." Brit officer to Hindu: "yes, and it's our tradition to hang anyone who burns another person alive."
Not all traditional values are good but it’s always best to understand why a fence was put up before tearing it down. In other words, don’t throw out the baby with the bath water which is what our ruling class has done, big time. A perfect example is their opening of the southern border for the sake of political gain which in fact is destroying the country.
Chicago is “overwhelmed” with 13,000 “migrants” bused here from Texas. What will we do a year from now when that number is 2 or 3 times more? How about 130,000? Most of these people will never show up for a court date and those who do and are denied asylum just ignore the order to leave the country since it’s not enforced and they know that. No borders means no country. This is suicide. This is insane.
Paper ballots instead of Dominion Voting machines.
Trump was never actually running against Biden who spent most of the “campaign” in his basement. It was the msm that was the other candidate in the election, not Biden. On the rare occasions Joe would leave his basement reporters would ask him questions like “Joe, when the fascist dictator Trump loses the election do you think he will concede defeat or will the military have to be sent in to drag him out of the White House?” Big Tech also greatly helped Joe win by censoring any information that was critical of him and rigging the Google search function to favor Biden and slander Trump.
Even excluding voter machine rigging and mail-in-ballot fraud there were the 4 years of very vigorous voter manipulation by the msm and Big Tech. The idea that this was an honest and legitimate election is simply absurd. This election was stolen by the left and their many useful idiot followers who believe whatever slop the msm tosses out for them to believe.
We lack a common reality, have become incomprehensible to each other and can no longer communicate. Where is the common ground in such an infinitely wide divide? There obviously is none. We always just talk past each other. This can only get worse and is getting worse by the day. The same people who insist Jan 6 was an “Insurrection!” have no problem with Joe’s open southern border or pornography for public school children. This is simply not working at all. Megyn talks about children’s book “Gender Queer.” How truly awful. I highly recommend sending this one to friends and family.
“Megyn Kelly and Chris Rufo Call Out Former President Obama Speaking About ‘Book Bans.’ (9 min)
Megyn Kelly. July 18, 2023
https://youtu.be/_2ETvv-d0yQ
Looks like Biden lied about his son not doing business with Ukraine, Russia, or China.
When will he face consequences?
Yep, Biden totally scored 15 million MORE votes than even Barack Obama.
Absolutely.
No question.
Why is Biden running then. A majority of Americans hate him and think he is a crook.
Because his puppet masters like it that way.
I cannot cite chapter and verse, but, as a person who has been a political junkie since Secretariat won the Triple Crown, I seem to recall that disavowing any interest in being VP has long been part of the game. Ramaswamy may or may not be interested in being VP. But he would almost certainly say he was not, even if he was. Any candidate who proceeded otherwise would be dismissed as merely running for VP, causing a decline that would reduce the chances of becoming VP. It is to considerable extent a game.
Vivek is not playing a game. He understands how deadly this situation is and takes this very seriously. You don’t understand him at all and apparently don’t understand how disastrous our situation is. You should watch the video I posted here of Vivek and Jordan Peterson talking about the unraveling of our civilization.
I understand perfectly well how disastrous our situation is. If anything I am overly "gloom and doom". Leftist ideology positively demands a One-Party State. What may be called the "Divisionist" half is just Marxism re-framed in terms of race etc. instead of class. And what may be called the Rejectionist half, by rejecting objective truth, conveniently discards the concept of fallacies in order to employ a veritable library of all known fallacies in the cause of indoctrination, which an entire generation has now fallen prey to. And though it is difficult to prove a negative, I have not seen Jordan Peterson (or while I am at it, Douglas Murray) ever note this last part.
I think it would be cool if Vivek were put in charge of cutting the bureaucracy.
He could just go in there like a steamroller and disband the EPA, Dept. of Education, etc.
That horse let the others get close enough to make eye contact and then went into a different gear just to show them who was boss.
The Belmont was the most amazing thing I ever saw live. We almost fell off the couch.
“I realize I’m dreaming….”
“A Trump-Ramaswamy ticket couldn’t be beat.”
An impossible dream.
Seva, I agree that Vivek can and should be the philosophical leader of a revolution (political, not physical). I agree with his ideas, and his willingness to speak the truth without flinching.
But, I see Vivek as the Thomas Jefferson of this Revolution. Who will be the George Washington? The guy who does what’s needed to implement the philosophy and make sure it has a solid foundation in a real government, then turns the reins over to the philosopher to maintain it.
Do you think Vivek can fulfill both roles? I’m not sure it’s a good idea.
He has many specific ideas of how he will deal with the deep state. He has videos on all kinds of things. Do a search on YouTube and you’ll find them. He has a lot of energy and a deep drive and commitment because he understands the consequences of this war not only for us but for the world. Plus he already has many very highly intelligent friends like Elon, Bret Weinstein and others that he can get advice from to help him. I’d like to see Tulsi as his vp. What a great team that would be. Two “people of color.” It’d drive the Woke left crazy since they believe such people are only supposed to agree with them about race and gender. I once saw a video of Dave Rubin who said he gets extra points from the left for being gay but then loses far more points for being a white male. He considers that quite insane which it certainly is.
Keith, I hope Vivek wipes the floor, but I, for one, don't want Vivek as Trump's VP running made. That would ruin his future chances. I also hope the debate is about Biden and his policies. A Biden debate could unite Republicans, not divide them as the Democrats and the MSM are trying to do.
No, unfortunately the topics were mostly great for democrats. Climate change, the "insurrection", etc. Just the stuff democrats would wish the election to be about. What a shocker.
Please read wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_(United_States) so you'll understand why Vivek is not qualified to be vice president.
Pence -- boring
Hutchison -- boring
Burgrum -- seems like a very decent guy
Scott -- also a really decent guy; wish he were my neighbor
Haley -- trying too hard
DeSantis -- does not have the charisma to pull this off
Christie -- too many chips on his shoulders; he's always looking for a fight; crowd does not like him
Vivek -- definitely the most interesting and the crowd seems to like him best
Superb conversation between a couple of our best public intellectuals, Jordan Peterson and Vivek Ramaswamy, about the “ideal” vs the “marginalized” and how this has led to the marginalized becoming dominant which then leads to the marginalized being cannibalized by those even further out on the fringe which destroys the “ideal” which creates a totally dysfunctional society where all lose their freedom and end up with civilizational collapse. Very well done. An excellent insight into why our society is so rapidly unraveling. Beautifully insightful.
“Why the “Marginalized” Exist.” (12 min)
Jordan Peterson interviews Vivek Ramaswamy. July 21, 2023
https://youtu.be/rAnDsVgaQVQ
“This wouldn’t be the first time that religious zeal scoffed at sexual norms as obstacles to holiness – the history of free-love communes and orgiastic rites offers plenty of case studies. Early Christians believed that grace and faith freed believers from observing the strictures of Jewish law, an idea called “antinomianism.” This idea historically reappears in extreme forms to make the controversial claim that breaking the earthly bonds of sin and death requires obliterating sexual taboos.”
“Queering Jesus: How It’s Going Mainstream at Progressive Churches and Top Divinity Schools.”
Real Clear Investigations. Jun 13, 2023
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2023/06/13/queering_jesus_how_its_going_mainstream_at_progressive_churches_and_top_divinity_schools_903535.html
Wow!
Thanks for the info.
I'm hoping this debate thins the herd a bit. I mean some of these Grifters have got to go.
I'd like to see a November debate with T,D,&R.
Maybe it might thin the herd, the heard is too thick to thin.
Especially Chris Christie.
He's too thick to get through some doors.
I like that!
After watching McGregor with Tucker and then the officials that played their devastating parts in the destruction of dear Lahaina, I’m back with Trump.
Vivek identifies Kensington (worst section of Philly) and South Side Chicago as places the other contenders neither know or mention; tells the others to see their pope in Kiev. Lol. Vivek kicks Pence Neocon ass.
I'm still angry with Haley for bending to pressure and removing the statue of Robert E. Lee.
Thanks for setting this dialogue up and fostering a place that multiple views could be expressed and responded to. Appreciate the hard work.
Thank you, Sasha. I really appreciate you and everything you do here.🙏 God bless.
Vivek just kicked Christie’s fat NJ ass and the audience is on Vivek’s side.
I like Tim Scott too.
Yep. BOOM!
Christie is a piece of shit. He is no Republican.
Disagree. He is a Republican (TM).
The problem, as always, is ballot access in all 50 states, which is dependent on the two big parties at the local level. Both the DNC and RNC are corrupt racketeering organizations. A former federal prosecutor like Christie should know that.
LOL Fair enough.
Except it's always aimed at conservatives now not democrats
I was looking forward a little to the debate until Bret Baier answered a viewer question about who writes the debate questions in a very careful way. The viewer question was "Do you and Martha write the debate questions?" Then, it was something like "there's a lot of input blah blah blah". The answer should have just been "YES!". The answer he gave immediately made me think the network is approving the questions.
Does anyone else laugh at the fact that Chris Christie does not realize he is in the exact same "darling of the left media" position as Trump was in 2016? Useful idiot indeed. He's too stupid to realize they are playing him and will hate him with just as much vigor if he were to be the candidate.
He reminds me more of McCain, who received a rude awakening when he ran against Barack. The same media drones who had loved his "rogue" image (whenever he bashed fellow Republicans) turned on him in an instant. He actually looked shocked.
I will catch clips of the debate but will watch the Trump Tucker interview in full.
I will be watching Tucker’s on Twitter. President Trump is far more interesting than most on the RINO/Trump haters on that stage! The ONLY other person I’m interested in hearing from, other than Trump, is Vivek Ramaswamy...who I’d love to see on the same ticket as a VP for Trump!
I’m with you.
My interest is in seeing if anyone on the stage can convince me that he or she will be as tough as Trump when it matters most. I doubt Putin would have invaded Ukraine had Trump been President. I also want to hear their views on climate change and especially on energy. I will be looking for someone who is favorable toward our ability to use our Natgas resources , interested in selling excess to others especially Europe, and most important, willing to make investments into the new improved use of nuclear energy.
Vivek is a most interesting man, though I think he is young and has no political experience. I once thought highly of Chris Christy, then went off him, and now I want to reassess him in this context..
I want to know a lot more about Doug Burgum, who seems to have been a good governor for N Dakota. I am also hoping, without much hope, to hear from someone whose views on abortion are not scorched earth.
I would be much more supportive of Trump if he would start talking about how he would reverse Biden's truly awful policies and fix our country. I want to see someone with a tough exterior and a strong committed vision of our future.
No political experience is a feature, not a bug.
Those immersed in politics over a lifetime have no spine, and do what the blob says. See: Brandon.
I very much like your criteria and rationale for them.
Here’s an excellent video of Amy Wax below being interviewed by Glenn Loury. A couple of highly intelligent public intellectuals talking about the super hot potato of racial group differences. The whole video is worth watching but about about the last 15 min, the 1:08 min point to the end, of the video of Loury and Wax talking about how the war on social norms and meritocracy is destroying our society are the best part. An excellent assessment of why our civilization is collapsing. Any serious consideration of saving our society would have to deal with the issues they raise. Would it be at all possible though to deal with issues which have in fact already driven much of our society quite insane? And just consider the fact the Vivek’s campaign is specifically based on fighting to save meritocracy and traditional values.
“The IQ Taboo.” (1:23 min)
Glenn Loury interviews Amy Wax. July 21, 2020
https://youtu.be/yLE67Z_YmSA
Seva, you make excellent comments that summarize a point and then back it up with references. Well done and appreciated. Btw had lunch with my Marine and Army siblings today and the Army Vietnam vet told funny story of how he and a friend joined under the Buddy System where they were supposed to be stationed together for a while; they got on the train to boot camp from Philly and were immediately separated by Ohio. Lol.
What do your siblings think of the Marines and Army? What do they think of Putin and Ukraine?
The Marine is, as you know, “once a Marine, always a Marine”. He loved the experience. The Army was wounded in.Vietnam and is somber. They both hate the Neocons for fomenting war in Ukraine.
It’s all a sick distraction now.
The last few years have made clear it’s not the President, but the man/woman/ze/zir/tyrants behind the curtain who run America (into ruin)
Personally, I don’t give a rats rear end, about the debate. It is useless. Trump, is the runaway winner of any, primary. I will make him a ‘write-in,’ if necessary. I encourage everyone, to do likewise.
The "candidates" are all phony and paid off actors, so I will be watching the real President Donald J. Trump on Tucker or nothing at all.
The only thing the phonies can do is parrot their memorized script that someone else wrote and hope they "perform" well enough to pull MAGA votes from Trump. It's a shit show.
Trump doesn't have a good enough memory to remember his own ignored promises from the first campaign?
The only one I recall is ending DACA.
He did screw up by appointing the wrong people to some positions, but overall, he did a fantastic job -- particularly when one considers that he had to do it without the support of most Republican Congress Critters, and while being relentlessly bashed by media and Dems who were busy pushing the Russia Collusion nonsense.
He's been impeached twice, indicted four times, he protested a presidential election for the first time in history -- coward is not the word I would use to describe Trump. Chris Christie is a useful idiot for the Left. Maybe he'll get a job at MSNBC out of it.
For the record: Gore protested the 2000 election; Hillary, et al, protested the 2016, election; then, there was the Black lady who protested the Georgia, election.
This is the first time in American history, that ANY candidate has been indicted even ONCE ...for exercising the First Amendment.
The particulars can be found on the web or, X (Twitter): Article III Project.
Stacy Abrahms 🤪 thinks she’s Governor of Georgia still....😜😜😜😜😜
Agreed.
However, Stacey was never denounced as an "election denier," was she?
Neither was Hillary -- who cooked up the whole Russia Collusion story in the first place. Neither they, nor any of their supporters, were ever indicted for any of this nonsense being used against Trump.
And in Bush vs Gore, Gore's team had assembled an alternate slate of electors -- which is another thing Trump was indicted for.
You can't remember the Black lady's name or you are a racist?
For heaven’s sake. The favorite epithet.
You can forget a white person's name all day long -- but the second you forget a black person's name: RACIST!
Maybe yours, but not on my list at all.
I’m guessing Chris Christie will get a gig from Pizza Hut as a result 🍕
Hate him so much
Chris Christie would be a good choice for Biden's secretary of defense since he has NATO's narrative memorized.
You can cosplay that fantasy if it makes you feel better. I understand delusion is the name of the game. Tulsi is on Fox because she was called a Russian spy by Hillary and the Left, discarded like a piece of trash for being noncompliant.
You saying that you will “get hostile” to a woman looks to me like you are potentially threatening violence to a woman.
I thought that when you call someone a liar they're just supposed to sit back and take it, like Trump. Or are you suggesting that some people who accuse others of lying are not acting in good faith...
Kindly provide documentation for the apparently specious claim that Gabbard got anything.
And why is that a problem? I admire Tulsi and enjoy her "take" on politics and current events.
Do you ignore what Hillary Clinton called her?
So what? listen to WHAT is being said, not WHERE, ffs
Is that a sin in your specious version of some religious screed?
Coward?!
Trump's presence at the debate would simply be a distraction. Let the other candidates have a chance to talk about something other than Trump.
My guess is they still talk about Trump
Oh yeah -- some of them (Chris Christie, for instance) -- have nothing else to talk about.
Except maybe Twinkie’s or Oreos
Side note:
"Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the man who cleaned up New York City, removed the crime syndicate from power and held the prayerful hands of our nation during 9/11/01, is brought before a corrupt judicial system in Fulton County, Georgia, treated like a common criminal and targeted because of his politics.
This is shameful beyond words."
Indeed. The same is happening to a President who gave you the highest purchasing power in your lives.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/24/a-permanent-stain-on-our-republic-rudy-giuliani-speaks-after-his-arrest-in-fulton-county-georgia/
“The same is happening to a President who gave you the highest purchasing power in your lives.“
And the people doing this are the same people who opened the southern border, demonized the police so much that we now have surging crime in our cities as the cops abandon police work and dumbed down our schools that now poison children with Woke race and gender ideology. This is just not working at all. This is obviously unsustainable.
Ms Stone, This was a brilliant idea and well executed.
Here is the lineup I think;
Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, businessman Vivek Ramaswamy, former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, former Vice President Mike Pence and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.
I am betting Vivek is recognized as “winner”, Pence, Christie, Hutchinson, Burgum fail miserably. And the rest of the field fall further behind Trump.
The Democrats have nothing to be gleeful about - the have an unpopular candidate who’s mentally not very ‘with it’ to say the least and who’s drowning in corruption & treason allegations...there will be no debating on the Democrat side because there’s no one at home...they are hollow...
C'mon man, he almost lost his wife, cat and 67 Corvette. Show some empathy.
🤪😜🤣
I'll be watching Trump & Tucker.
KANGAROO GOVERNMENT AT ITS FINEST!!
Pastor Mike has become an insufferably self-righteous, pompous, Bible-thumping bore.
"I stand with the Constitution," he says, but can't bring himself to denounce the violations of 4th amendment rights, denial of due process, etc., for J6 defendants, or the prosecution of Trump admin officials and supporters for political reasons. Or the use the Patriot Act against US citizens, labeling political dissenters as "terrorists."
Pack your fishing pole, Mike!
A good assessment of our Ukraine debacle but he’s wrong that this won’t be a campaign issue in 2024. Vivek, quite rightly, hates this proxy war on Russia in Ukraine to secure their borders while ours are wide open and millions of “migrants” that we know nothing at all about are pouring in. This is insane. This is suicide. This has to stop.
“The future of Ukraine: What does peace look like?” (6 min)
London Real. Aug 24, 2023
https://youtu.be/2Aw0hsBeD4Q?si=UpDxB00f8CztJwGy
Two more observations. Doug Burgum is a true conservative, given his reply about abortion and the tenth amendment. And Nicki Haley has killed it, in my opinion, by invoking Margaret Thatcher and on the economy. She might even be able to sell her abortion position to the suburban women lost in 2020.
And I'm not a Nicki Haley fan.
Pence just dodged and wove (weaved?) and neatly did not answer the question about his administrations vivid response. He should ask his lord and saviour for forgiveness for his management of the pandemic. I am not mocking Pence for his faith, which I believe is deep and sincere, but criticizing him for his failure to take responsibility for his part of the Civic fiasco.
Covid not vivid. My auto correct refuses to let me type Covid.
You can edit a comment by tapping the 3 dots on the right to edit. I just accidentally posted this to your comment above so I deleted it and reposted it here. It’s a handy feature.
Thanks a lot. Sometimes I don't review my typing before posting (just lazy or careless, I guess). This will help me a lot.
I just don't get it. Maybe an always Trumper can explain why.
Ugh - Pence deSanctimonious holding forth disgustingly. Trump missed the mark on that insult.
I am sick of hearing it.
I really like VR but it was a mistake to make that "bought and paid for" comment. Petty and puts the attention on them and off himself. I suspect he regretted it as soon as it came out of his mouth.
Hooray, Sasha.
I'm stuck in an Omaha motel room? Why?
My wife and I will begin our westward ho drive once she flies into the airport here Friday.
Such a wonderful thing to do.
Turn off my computer for almost a month! Unthinkable in our fast paced times.
We will enjoy the journey if only because we will be able to attend the wedding of our favorite niece in Olalla, WA.
Perhaps I will peek at my tiny phone screen. Thanks to your offering, I doubt if I can live up to my own goals.
Holiday Hotel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO5PRoWvJdY
Great follow up, Steve. I'll use your offering some time after the vows and most of us will be impaired by alcohol.
i was only going to watch when I heard Larry Elder got in. One of the very few times i donated a little (other than for his governor run), only becasue I wanted him on that stage. He would win any debate against the losers on that stage.
I’m interested in both. I wish Trump would participate. He says he won’t do any of the debates. That’s disappointing. I’ll likely watch the debate and then watch Tucker after. Vivek has been caught in a few lies in the past few days and that concerns me, mostly because he just denied what he had previously said, when it was recorded and easy to check. I expect they will be attacking DeSantis most of the night. It will be interesting to hear your take on it all Sasha!
I think it is a mistake on Trump's part to skip the debate. The others will start gaining more and more attention for their views, while Trump will only be in the news because of the indictments, and if he wants to keep his support, he must start talking about his plans and policies. It's still a long way to election day, and he could lose his momentum if he doesn't give his supporters the red meat they need.
Seriously, if he was there he would be the target of EVERY candidate AND the moderators. What’s the upside to that? Calling Trump a coward is just psy ops. Timing is everything and people have short memories. IMO, Red meat will be served in abundance in due course. 🥩
I was responding to the comment about the “debate” let’s see what happens. Is your prediction no one but Christie attacks him?
Just curious, of the 74 million that voted for Trump, how many Americans are in the “fragile MAGA” base?
It's unbearably hot and humid today where I live, so I have three choices for this evening: (1) Watch a joint press conference held in Milwaukee with eight people trying to gain attention with trivial soundbites (2) Watch a formerly serious writer bootlick one of the lowest character people to ever be President (3) Read a serious book about interpreting the U.S. Constitution. I choose #3.
While I disagree with your characterization of Trump, I will also be reading: Orwell's 1984.
We’re already living it.
Wish these were real debates and not the shotgun "townhall" slugfests they've become.
Agreed.
They never do any actual debating at these things.
Christie is a smarmy swamp creature playing to weaken Trump at the behest of the administrative state. DeSantis has a great future. Vivek is playing to be Trump’s veep pick. Trump’s interview with Tucker made the debate all but totally irrelevant.
Glenn Greenwald is one of our best. In this post debate analysis he says Vivek is the one most closely ideologically aligned with Trump. Glenn asks Rep Matt Gaetz why the others are so pro-war on Ukraine. He says because that’s what the RNC donor class wants. Vivek says the same and when Tucker asked RFK why Chris Christie was so much in favor of funding the war in Ukraine, RFK also said because that’s what his donors want. Excerpt below is from the text on locals. Link to the rumble video below, starts at 2 min point. Can’t seem to skip ahead so just let it run till then. I’m very pro-Vivek so it’s nice to see someone I respect as much as Glenn agree.
“Glenn Greenwald: I want to ask you, one of the clarifying parts of the discussion, to the extent there was one involving policy, was the section on Ukraine. There was one candidate - and one candidate only - emphatically saying we shouldn't be sending our money to Ukraine while we have all kinds of problems here at home, including with our own border, never mind the Ukrainian border. DeSantis, as Vivek kind of mocked him for, had his finger in the air saying, "Let's get the Europeans to pay more," which isn't really a position. To me, it seemed like a kind of Republican Party debate that could have happened in 2004, 2008, 2012. The kind of Republican Party before Trump changed it. What are these people doing when they look at the polling data, seeing that Republicans overwhelmingly don't want to send money to Ukraine and saying that they don't care, they want that money going anyway?”
“Post Debate Analysis Live from Milwaukee.” (20 min)
Glenn Greenwald interview with Rep Matt Gaetz
https://rumble.com/v3aydth-system-update-137.html
I wish we could ship the Uniparty donor class to the Ukraine and let them fight it out. Bunch of cowards.
Wouldn't watch this group of bootlicking buffoons if you paid me. Trump or bust.
Is there any place I can watch the Tucker/Trump interview? I took in the debate last night.
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1694513603251241143?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Gender Tribalism and Reverse Sexism are not better than Race Tribalism and Reverse Sexism.
Here’s an excellent video from the Hindustan Times, an Indian English-language daily newspaper based in Delhi. A good example of why Vivek will be so immensely popular globally, especially in India. This global focus on the election will make it impossible for the democrats to steal the election from Vivek in 2024 as they most surely did from Trump in 2020. Trump was the best person for the presidency in 2016 and would have made this country vastly better if he had been allowed to have his 2nd term. Now though, Vivek is the best choice not only for America but for the world. He will be a global superstar. All things are now global in our always online global civilization.
“Indian-American Vivek Ramaswamy Called ‘Rookie…ChatGPT,’ Shines At Republican Debate.” (4 min)
Hindustan Times. Aug 24, 2023
https://youtu.be/DfMl-2WTzPc?si=y9mGbNwiU9hOwu6r
“He has a lack of knowledge in many areas”
Says Mr Woke with the Fake name who knows nothing at all about anything yet believes he knows it all. A typical Woke leftist. A classic example of Woke leftism.
I don’t use my vet status for anything and don’t even consider myself a vet since I was never in combat. I joined the Marines in May of 1968 when I was 17, turned 18 in boot camp and in 1969, when I was 19, got orders for the Ground Forces of the 3rd Marine Division in Vietnam. On the way there my plane stopped on Okinawa for refueling. They happened to need replacements so they took my company off the plane, changed our orders and made that our home base. From there we spent time in places like the Philippines and Japan but never in Vietnam so I don’t consider myself a vet. And don’t call me an old man! Physically I feel about 30 and have super good health. I feel I could easily live another 30 years which I plan to use to fight Woke fanatics like you and your hate whitey Woke leftist friends.
Lefties, or former lefties, please weigh in here. Frankly, there are only two candidates - the ones who have had fiduciary responsibilities and answer to others - that I will even consider. The rest belong to globalist GOPe donors and have never had real jobs in the private sector answering to others.
A NJ politician with integrity?! 😂. Christie was on stage to get MSNBC gig as the former GOP but now Leftie role.
You may not like the man but no president in history can match the accomplishments of his administration for the best interests of this nation in just 4 years.
Give me some more of that!
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
Research Bridgegate and Christie beach closure aerial photo. He's a professional asshole.
Christie sicced his assholishness on the people of New Jersey, not just other politicians. That's the difference.
Trump is the greatest president ever. A true outsider not to join the uni-party debate tonight.
Define uni-party. So we both know just what we're talking about.
All Democrats plus GOP RINOS, Never Trumpers and NEOCONS.
Once Again Define GOP RINOS, NEOCONS? I'm so old I remember when RINO actually meant more than someone did/voted someway I didn't like. Neocon, ou mean someone who want an aggressive foreign policy?
support for aggressive foreign policy through military might. 4 of my siblings and I served in the military and we’re against all these needless wars that Dems and Neocons have gotten us into for the last 60 years. Neocons don’t actually serve in the military btw.
Needless?
The Republicans are the uni-party because they go along with whatever the Dems do. They are RINO’s. Trump is not that.
"The Republicans are the uni-party because they go along with whatever the Dems do. They are RINO’s."
Are you REALLY sure you want to stand by that? Come into my parlor said the spider to the fly.
What is interesting is you can find people on The Left/Democrats saying this very thing about Democrats. They always do what The Republicans want. They never stand up for their principles.
Curious isn't it? People on both sides saying the Same Thing. Both are Right & Wrong.
I am just hoping I don't have to say "I've Seen This Movie Before."
The thing is in these Joint Press Conferences (they are NOT debates) The goal of the candidates is NOT to provide information to the public. Their goal is the Not Screw The Pooch. You will not hear any Off The Cuff remarks. Anything they say will have been rehearsed 47 times.
Also Donald Trump is going on Tucker Carlson to suck ALL the media attention to Him And Tucker. Donald Trump Cannot stand people paying attention to anyone else.
I won't be watching the kabuki theater tonight. Until they un-rig the elections, there is no point in participating.