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David Orr's avatar

So, if we can never “take stuff away from people”, it’s all over, isn’t it? Individual freedom has been eaten alive by “Free Shit Nation.”

TriciaandHerDog's avatar

I am walking around here chanting "Free stuff! Free stuff!" but I like yours better. So yes, comrade, I am swiping "Free Shit Nation." It belongs to all of us now.

Jeff Cook-Coyle's avatar

Democracy Now! Until we run out of Other People's Money.

19Zag51's avatar

The 41T debt shows that we have already run out of money. It's not going to be pretty as we become Argentina..

Pacificus's avatar

Actually, if you count the natural resources of the US as an implicit, massive collateral for that $41 trillion debt, we are not in as bad a shape as many people think. The debt is usually measured as a percent of GDP, which in my view ignores the immense natural wealth of the country, which should be accounted for in any tallying of the US's net worth vis a vis its debt.

In short: while the debt trend line needs to change, our current financial situation is not nearly as bad as some would have you think.

Jan Hus's avatar

In fact, we already have. The mob is just fighting over the scraps that were borrowed!

David Orr's avatar

Well, you can’t make words property very easily, so go with it.

Jeff Keener's avatar

"They don’t want jobs." -->Sasha nailed it. I've been up against this before. Negotiating leases with an Alaska native corporation that included minimum shareholder hire. I encourage this and when I asked for a list of experience mechanics, welders, and equipment operators, the corp.'s attorney said, "They don't want to work, they just want to get paid." 🤣 To which I said "No deal."

Risk Details's avatar

I saw a video clip of Bernie and el Sayed at a college town hall. They listed all the free stuff young people will get by taxing the shit out of billionaires, and the crowd went crazy.

Derek Simmons's avatar

Insert AMEN gif and crying emoji

Dave Begley's avatar

Of all the results from last night, Minnesota's were the most shocking to me.

A great TV ad was run by the GOP candidate for Secretary of State. He only got 41% of the vote. He lost by a country mile.

Billions of taxpayer money was stolen by Somalia immigrants and the state government did nothing. The MN AG, Keith Ellison, won with 55% of the vote.

There were attacks on federal law enforcement in MN this past year and state and local law enforcement did nothing.

And, of course, there were the George Floyd riots. Property damage exceeded $500m. Two deaths. During the riots, Governor Walz and the mayor of MPLS did nothing.

Electricity rates have increased 24% since 2020.

But every single statewide DFL candidate won and won by a big margin.

Minnesota is now a one-party state. And a failed state. It will continue to decline but voters approve. Good luck Gophers.

Steenroid's avatar

In many ways MN is the worst state. Even worse than CA and NY. I used to work for Land o Lakes after they bought Purina Mills. A farmer owned Co-op has a lesbian CEO and the first thing they did was F the Indian Maiden. She has completely FU Purina Mills ( the livestock Purina). Dog chow Purina is owned by Nestle.

JBell's avatar

Notice that they ditched the Indian and kept the land (in the logo)!

Pacificus's avatar

Yeah, talk about erasing Native Americans from our history.. still can't get over that move...

Lee Healey's avatar

With regard to Land O Lakes, it was my go to butter. Always bought it, salted and unsalted and I bake a lot! Once the Indian Princess was gone I said good bye. I’d rather churn it myself than buy any LOL product. None of this makes any difference tho..

PapayaSF's avatar

Try Kerrygold. Far superior.

Dave M's avatar

For me it was Talerico in Texas. Wow. THAT is shocking.

Kate's avatar

Abbott's loss is more shocking.

John Boy West's avatar

As a former Texan, it’s sad. My friends tell me Cornyn was the better candidate, but that’s no reason to vote for the gay, depressed, anything goes cuz I’m so confused democratic candidate.

Kate's avatar

Blame Trump for endorsing Paxton and not Cornyn. Cornyn probably could have easily beaten Talarico. Trump has a way of fucking things up as far as the Senate, like he did in Georgia in 2020. He's his - and our - own worst enemy.

Alex K.'s avatar

You think Trump primarying Cornyn was bad? I'm here in SC. Trump single-handedly gave the Senate seat to the Dems by handpicking Darlene Graham when SC had a homegrown, popular and well-supported GOP candidate who was a shoo in. Trump's interference led to a revolt and the end result is the seat that was a sure thing got handed to the Dems on a silver platter.

John Boy West's avatar

Agreed, but maybe this will rein in Trump’s bombastic side. He actually is more compelling when he’s the underdog.

Linda Burnett's avatar

But he can quote the Bible!

Jan Hus's avatar

The Gospel according to Talarico:

And lo, the Angel Gabriel appeared unto Mary and proclaimed, “You shall bear a son by the Holy Spirit, and he shall be the Son of God.”

And Mary replied, “Hey guy! My body, my choice!”

Beckster's avatar

Yes, for me too, Dave. I grew up in a first ring suburb of MPLS. Been a California resident since leaving MN for grad school. As bad as it is here, I think MN has to be the worst state. I cannot even begin to understand how complacent Minnesotans are about all the fraud. I don't even recognize my home state anymore - the video of the Somali man running for a seat on the Hennepin County Commission is jaw dropping but I guess it's all A-OK with the folks in the Gopher state?

Jeff Cook-Coyle's avatar

People also rallied, as only Minnesotans can, around their neighbors who were threatened with deportation. If you get 40 Minnesotans to drive kids to school, bring meals, go shopping for families -- gosh darn it, you better believe that those 40 people will vote a straight DFL ticket.

David White's avatar

Does immigration law make any exception for "neighbors"?

Jeff Cook-Coyle's avatar

Love Your Neighbor does not. Right or wrong, the people were there. And their neighbors felt an obligation to protect them.

I could not disagree more with Biden’s immigration policies. But once someone is in your life, you need to love them, unconditionally, as best you can.

And doing it when it’s 20 below makes the commitment stronger.

Epaminondas's avatar

This is the very definition of toxic empathy and the inability to see the long term consequences of enabling criminal behavior. At the individual level, it may seem like compassion. At a national level, it's economically and socially corrosive.

Heyjude's avatar

Your Somali neighbors who stole from the people of Minnesota appreciate that sentiment.

Linda Burnett's avatar

There is a thing call suicidal empathy. You suffer from it. The US is 40 trillion in debt and, instead of considering fiscal responsibility, the Democrats want to tax those nasty rich people. Never mind that those nasty rich people's money is invested in businesses that create products that people want and offer jobs so people are not government dependent. Perhaps, instead of expecting taxpayers to take care of your neighbors who entered the US illegally, you start a charitable organization.

Bruce Eden's avatar

I am tired of these religious sermons by pseudo-religious people. Don't want to hear these proverbs, quotes, and any other religious "sermon". Where were the 30% of Christians that DID NOT come out to vote yesterday????? Where were the 20-25% of unregistered pro-gun voters that did not come out to vote yesterday?????

Erin S's avatar

I am a former Minnesotan and I’m here with you in disbelief. How could Klobuchar and Flanagan, both terribly unlikable, who very clearly knew about the fraud, be elected? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

PapayaSF's avatar

I’m certain some of the fraud money went into their campaigns and/or pockets.

Linda Burnett's avatar

You forgot to mention the once great education system, referred to as the MN Miracle, now barely making the top 20 among US schools, and generous government benefits (mainly to greedy and corrupt Somalians) that have led from a budget surplus to debt. I live in Minneapolis to be near family. It is creepy and, I have no doubt, will only get creepier.

Simbro Fatarzo's avatar

I think you're missing why you lost. You're talking about so much taxpayer money stolen by immigrants and the state government did nothing. What are you talking about? Those investigations were started by the state government. They were prosecuted by the state government.

Your problem, and why you lost in an insane bloodbath last night that turned Mississippi and South Carolina blue while nearly losing Florida and Louisiana, is that you don't live in reality.

You invent things about your opponents that fall apart because no one else is in your bubble. You cannot communicate to people why higher taxes, prices, mortgage rates, are just fine actually because you don't share the same existence as them.

Gluten freedom's avatar

Simbro, you have no idea what you’re talking about. SC went Blue? No it didn’t. Tim Scott is a Republican, the Gov is Republican. State Govt is still Rep. Darlene was not a strong candidate but SC is still RED! MN is a corrupt hell hole. Sadly it will get worse.

Kate's avatar

Here in Wisconsin, one of the last sane holdouts of the Midwest, we're on the same track now.

Tom Potts's avatar

‘Iron Mike’ Tyson said “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face”. Now imagine getting punched in the face by Iron Mike. One blow would kill me. Bad plan.

So, what to do? Our help is in the name of the Lord who made heaven and earth. Try that next.

Then what? Dust yourself off, get back up, and get going again. With who? Where did things go well? Florida. Why? Because Governor Ron DeSantis took an unreliable purple state and made it red. Extreme competence, energy, vision, and hard work made that happen.

Ps, folks, don’t follow the Groypers, Tucker Carlson, or any of the other negatory frauds. That way leads to ultra violence and civil war. Unity is the best path. Lots of work to do. Find something to do.

Steenroid's avatar

I think we are eventually headed towards CW II. That’s 2 not 11

Tom Potts's avatar

You better hope it doesn’t. 400 million firearms in the hands of common citizens makes it far more dangerous and potentially deadly than the American Civil War, the most deadly war in American history.

Perhaps one of the first steps by the newly empowered Dems will be to ban all firearms more recent than muskets. Bad idea. The US Constitution gives us that right. Next step will be to erase the US Constitution, their dream for more than 100 years since Woodrow Wilson.

Bruce Eden's avatar

According to FBI statistics, and scholastic and academic studies, there are over 500 MILLION firearms in the hands of common citizens.

M. Ricci's avatar

I look for the Constitution to be eliminated by 2028.

Tom Potts's avatar

The USA is an exceptional nation with exceptional rights for American citizens. We have a real Bill of Rights that no other large country has. This is what makes Democrats and globalists fly into fits of rage. They want no opposition. The WEF/Davos plan which the Democrats push through agenda 2030 is the destruction of our US Constitution.

Pamela's avatar

How do you think that will come about? Serious question.

Texyz's avatar

...and well, a tough thought. But if it comes down to being enslaved-raped by these demonic pagan demturds, or civil war.....I want a fightin' chance at freedom.

It unnerves me to think how Jews in WWII were marched to death camps by Nazi turds, straight from their homes without a fight.

Steenroid's avatar

And the DSA would gladly march all the American Jews into chambers today. And Israel too.

Sharon's avatar

They would gladly march all trump supporters into the chambers

Texyz's avatar

...hmmm, Florida barely hanging on really. Donalds won by 1.3%, and AnnaPaulinaLuna won by 1500 votes. And they dont have all the blue Mexican border counties that TX has.

BUT, having said that, I am a big fan of RonDeSantis, and his stock for 2028 just went WAY WAY up. JD Vance and Marco will be tainted for 2028 by being in Trump Admin.

Nicole Anderson's avatar

I wanted desantis in 2024, but gop primary voters wanted Trump. I'd love to for for Ron for president.

Kate's avatar

Me too. I voted DeSantis in the primary. I think if he had become president instead of Trump, we wouldn't be in this predicament now.

Texyz's avatar

Trump has largely been great and has taught GOP how to fight (if they will learn). I will be looking fwd to a better communicator in 2028.

Tom Potts's avatar

I am a native Floridian and remember when every politician with few exceptions were Democrats. These were some of the Blue Dog Democrats. Older ones were in the Ku Klux Klan, remember those guys? Texas was the same as Florida.

Steenroid's avatar

And Nixon got way far more votes in Cuban heavy Miami/Dade.

JJoshua's avatar

God is not coming to save us.

Tom Potts's avatar

Oh my, Sir. It seems you have far larger issues than the outcome of one election. YHWH controls the very orbits of all the quarks in the Universe, past, present, and future, simultaneously .

Search for King Jesus , He is very gentle and gives us His loving kindness.

Pamela's avatar

Yours is the best, most heartening comment I have read all day.

Bruce Eden's avatar

So where the Hell were the 30% of Christians that DID NOT come out to vote on Election Day????

JJoshua's avatar

Have you been reading these posts. It’s clear they were home praying. Even today after the bloodshed they are still believing God will save them.

Christ will save you when you die not while you are alive.

Tom Potts's avatar

I have no idea. Perhaps they don’t understand the threats we face. America is the last place to make a stand for freedom.

JFB's avatar

Our constitution cannot function without a virtuous electorate. "Gimme!" is not virtuous.

M. Ricci's avatar

Too late, I'm afraid. I knew the moment CK was assassinated the Communists had won.

simon riemersma's avatar

I'm not going to give up

Leonidas2700's avatar

Time to make a bowl of popcorn and watch it burn.

Now, they have to perform.

May God have mercy on our souls.

TriciaandHerDog's avatar

It's not often I'm happy to be 67 years old but today is an exception.

Susan G's avatar

I'm 77 and even happier. Closer to when I won't have to experience the destruction.

Mark W's avatar

If you've given up, then good riddance.

I'm 35 and I have lost friends, family, ex-girlfriends over this stuff. I'm worried about ever getting a chance to start a family or build the business of my dream. I'm tired of the apathy and "let it burn" attitude I hear from all sides. The old folks...who have raised the current generations and been voting for these useless politicians for decades are checking out on the social security I'm paying for but will never see a dime myself. I know too many of my peers or fresh out of highschoolers who think that it will be easier to just let it all burn and rebuild. They have no concept of how much worse it can be and what they are casually giving up. They think they have nothing to lose.

Tom Gelsinon's avatar

You write: “The Democrats have just one want: power, and for them, you’re in, or you’re out. They’re the fascists, ironically.” It is not ironic. Fascism is a child of the Left. Mussolini’s famous quote could be a campaign slogan of today’s Democratic Party (DSA). That is, “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” The American Left’s state is one-party Democrat rule, also known as “our democracy”. Newspeak for the people, with free stuff on the side.

Brian DeLeon's avatar

Last night, Walter Kirn said an interesting thing: Comrade is now an acceptable form of address. I lived through the Cold War, the battles against communism in Central America and Southeast Asia, the fall of the Berlin Wall. Young kids these days don’t have this living history. They have TikTok and Instagram and influencers. This explains in part the lure of communism to the younger generation.

Kelly C.'s avatar

The white, democrat voting women on my FB feed seem to have voted purely, and blindly, based on their absolute hatred of Trump. Nothing else seems to matter.

Nicole Anderson's avatar

Yes. Same here. It's why I didn't go on FB anymore, except to use marketplace.

Gary Edwards's avatar

Charlie would likely have been a future president.

Dunboy2020's avatar

"but trying to scare people with “communism” and “socialism” was never going to work in Indoctrination Nation."

Indoctrination Nation is indeed the problem. Maybe the cooler heads (if any) in the Democrat Party will stave off the socialism and anti-semitism practiced by many of their followers - we can only hope.

David Orr's avatar

“Hope” was valueless when Obama preached it, and is valueless now

Tom Potts's avatar

Our ‘Hope’ is in the name of the Lord, who made heaven and earth.

Tom Potts's avatar

Public school teacher’s unions did that. Home schooling is best.

Gary Edwards's avatar

Maybe more Idiocracy

Tom Potts's avatar

Where is the Brawndo? Which one is President Camacho?

JJoshua's avatar

School of education needs to be torn down

dan brandt's avatar

Fear mongering by the Dems failed in 2024. Can't anyone learn this lesson?

Ken Macko's avatar

I’m glad you stated the obvious. Too many are trying to sugar coat it. THIS IS NOT GOOD, anyway you slice it.

Mick's avatar

Dennis Miller: "We need a revolution but we're not in the revolution business anymore."

Derek Simmons's avatar

To be in the "revolution business" you have to know stuff. We are only into "feeling" stuff

MichaelH: Storyteller's avatar

Our education system was deliberately dumbed down to the point that young adults only FEEL a certain way (typically how they are TOLD to feel) and THINKING is impossible because they don't know HOW to think for themselves. This process has been in the works for over 50 years. They have played the long game and are coming out on top.

I pray this can be turned around before too much damage can be done.

Derek Simmons's avatar

James 1:22. While I know it can be done, I doubt it will.

David White's avatar

Why was teaching about fallacies taken out of the curriculum? Maybe so that no student would pipe up and say "That's a fallacy!" Can't have that now, can we!

Heyjude's avatar

And all the while telling us not to worry about reading scores, because they were teaching “critical thinking skills”.

Tim Hurlocker's avatar

On days like today, optimists like me look foolish, and cynics look wise. One aspect few appreciate is that this was a congressional election, and the GOP-controlled Congress did zero in two years except block Trump initiatives. Zero rogue district court judges were disciplined. Midterms are always a reflection on the president but blame where blame is due -- John Thune and his ilk are a big part of this loss.

Gary Edwards's avatar

I'm just gonna tune out as much as possible for at least a year. Not much can really happen anyways. I live in a still red state, so it's a viable option.

Jeff Cook-Coyle's avatar

The long game is the right game. Invest in your community. It's the one that matters.

JJoshua's avatar

This os exactly what I’m going to do as well.

I turned off tv news years ago but now it’s also online news I will tune out.

Sharon's avatar

We moved to red Ohio 5 years ago to escape Illinois. Yesterday Ohio became a blue state. It can happen to you!

Richard Luthmann's avatar

"They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue."

The breadth of the Republican loss details the real problem. The low-value Beta Males are running the show. Trump is the only one with brains and balls, and they aren't letting him lose.

Republicans answered an insurance bill with a lecture about Marxism and expected gratitude. The gap Democrats exploited: “will protect benefits” speaks directly to fear, while an elaborate explanation of long-term policy asks an anxious voter for patience. Republicans needed people capable of connecting Trump's larger ambitions to the kitchen table, then holding those relationships together when disagreements erupted. They gave us John Thune.

Charlie Kirk was a once-in-a-generation talent. They took him from us. We felt it last night, and will feel it for the next two years. Let's take two times two times two hundred of theirs (legally, of course).

Declaring MAGA dead excuses the professionals responsible for rebuilding it. Their task is to make freedom and prosperity tangible rather than assume patriotic loyalty will carry every race. A party promising to save the country must explain how its voters can afford to keep living in it. The sights should be the State of the Union. Trump should give a two-hour kitchen-table economics lesson and tell the Democrats to STFU right out of the gate.

Ted's avatar

"The gap Democrats exploited: “will protect benefits” speaks directly to fear, while an elaborate explanation of long-term policy asks an anxious voter for patience."

I think you've identified the central feature, Richard.

I can't claim any insight into President Trump's thought processes, other than that he seems to understand that the only thing motivating people is self-interest.

Given the decades of looting, tariffs were always going to require short-term sacrifice, and that fact was never publicly addressed, giving the pulpit to oppositional demagoguery. Factor in a four-year political business cycle where the "board of directors" gets shuffled twice, and the only road to power becomes inculcating blind terror within the polity, eliding facts and relying exclusively on appeals to emotion.

Consider the conversations you've had with those driven purely by emotion, wherein you've attempted to explain the sort of basic economics that are always obvious. Occasionally, you will have had a meaningful discussion, but generally the pattern remains consistent.

Considering the timelines, I don't thing the president had any choice other than promoting foreign ownership, if any meaningful reshoring was to take place. That capital in-migration could not have been compelled without the "unpredictability factor" associated with the Trump negotiating style.

Within an environment of economic feudalism, promoting enlightened self-interest was always going to rely on subterfuge, given the obduracy of the average voter.

Meanwhile, the realpolitik continues to churn out bad law. Restoring sovereignty was a gamble, and today's reshuffling of the deck changes the odds. Well..... as Sowell pointed out; there are no solutions, only tradeoffs.