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Raleigh Emry's avatar

I too am retired military having served a whole career including 218 combat missions in Vietnam. On the surface, their little trick is letter perfect - obey lawful orders, do not obey unlawful orders. This instruction is part of the fiber of every American fighting man and woman. It's engrained. So why the drama about their video. It's to make the rank and file doubt every order or be paralyzed by a threat that they might be in trouble if they follow even the orders that they believe to be lawful - only to be decided "unlawful" by a cabal of these seditionists if they ever again rise to power. I've never seen anything quite this bizarre but threatening. They must be ridiculed and silenced - if not punished by censure or indictment.

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Epaminondas's avatar

This was so irresponsible that I can't imagine what the Democrats were thinking. The very last thing you want to do is to encourage insubordination or weaken civilian control of the military. Did none of these six Democrats ever study history?

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JD Free's avatar

They were thinking that they carefully worded it to avoid being liable for any kind of legal consequences and otherwise to maximally incite listeners against the administration and provoke Trump to a response they could exploit.

They deserve harsh condemnation for this transparently malicious act.

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Brian M's avatar

It is not carefully worded enough. They violated the statute just by releasing the video: 18 USC Ch: 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES §2387 which I list in its entirety below

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James David's avatar

Well that was a fuckup. They are going after Kelly right now.

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Kathy Christian's avatar

They deserve to be shot, is what they deserve.

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James David's avatar

Agreed. And if the government can't or won't, the people can and must.

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Old Comers’ Granddaughter's avatar

Well you see, they hate America and they actually want to destroy it.

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James David's avatar

"what the Democrats were thinking"

Don't be stupid. This gaggle is incapable of thinking. And they were probably bought. Again... This has CIA all over it.

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KEVIN PEARSON's avatar

Democrats don't think.

They follow orders from their Lord and Savior, Darth Pharoah

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Bat Man's avatar

Whaat? Darth Pharoah?

True, You can't be a Christian and believe in abortion, which is what Democrats stand for.

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James David's avatar

Good thing I am not a christian. I support aborting commies up to the 1209th month after conception...

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Dena's avatar

They don’t care.

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Brian Wilson's avatar

... I can't imagine what the Democrats were thinking. "

There's the problem. They don't "think"; they feel. And "feelings" have no principles.

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Pam Humphrey's avatar

they scheme

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Ruth H's avatar
1dEdited

I’m going with the need to censure and indict. Enough is enough of the Dem hate pushing narrative.

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Brian M's avatar
21hEdited

Skip censure and go straight to indict. The statute they violated requires them to be removed from office for at least 5 years

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John Duffner's avatar

Someone more insightful than I am noted that their claim to just be innocently reminding people of the law is undermined by them ending the video with a Navy battle cry about possibly fighting to the death.

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MAG's avatar

Would not Article 88 of the UCMJ come into play here considering all of them are still collecting their pensions from the military? I knew it was not sedition, they’re all too smart for that. However, it was in very poor form and we all know that. I wish Trump for once would take the high road and respond accordingly.

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Raleigh Emry's avatar

I believe that only Mark Kelly is retired and receiving retirement income and, as I am, subject to the UCMJ. He should know he stepped far over the line. The pentagon is looking into his case.

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MAG's avatar

Yes, apparently so. However, I would not want to see another indictment that cannot be won. It’s truly disgraceful what they did but their supporters will not change their minds. In addition, I would also speculate, nor would they have any idea about the UCMJ as well.

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Gym+Fritz's avatar

All six of them need to be punished, the only question is how. Maybe start by revoking their security clearances.

Disobey a critical order and maybe you loose a squad . . a platoon . . a company . . a . . . .

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Christopher Kruger's avatar

Sasha, they are not just "Democrats" - they are CIA and MILITARY INTELLIGENCE officers.

After Trump shocked the world by winning in 2016, the DNC ran 150 intelligence agency spooks for Congress.

See here-

https://themillenniumreport.com/2018/03/why-are-so-many-2018-democratic-congressional-candidates-former-military-intelligence-and-security-operatives/

The same people that started the Iraq War,the Neocons, migrated from the Bush-Cheney Republicans to the Democrats in the Obama era. Obama expanded the wars in the Middle East from 2 (Iraq & Afghanistan), to 7.

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Orenv's avatar

Spooks gotta spook. Never trust a spook.

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Tom Potts's avatar

We do have some good spooks.

John Radcliffe and Ric Grenell come to mind.

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Orenv's avatar

Spooks and politicians should never be trusted. Just sayin.

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James David's avatar

Trust maybe... After verify.

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FLGenX's avatar
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This ☝🏼 Most important comment. “they are CIA and MILITARY INTELLIGENCE officers.

After Trump shocked the world by winning in 2016, the DNC ran 150 intelligence agency spooks for Congress.”

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Brian M's avatar

And CIA know how to lie. In fact, it is a prerequisite to be in the CIA, and probably the FBI, to be very good liars. Their leadership are certainly expert liars.

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James David's avatar

Yes. The heart of it.

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Terry Quist's avatar

This post is grossly inaccurate. Of the six Democrats in the video, only Slotkin (CIA veteran, like Spanberger in Virginia) and Goodlander (veteran of Naval intelligence at a low-ranking level) have intelligence backgrounds.

Houlahan is a Ph.D. in engineering who did space and missile defense projects for the Air Force. Crow was an Army Ranger. Kelly was a Naval aviator (most astronauts are aviators or scientists). Deluzio was a Naval surface warfare officer.

I read the article you referenced out of curiosity and it says regarding the 2018 elections that 57 Democratic candidates were from intelligence, military, and State Department backgrounds. Even those 57 are not all "spooks," which technically by the way refers to clandestine officers and not intelligence officers who advise their commanders on enemy intentions, tactics and equipment. I could find no reference to 157 "intelligence agency spooks."

You should also check your references when you use them. Although the author seems more meticulous than you about facts, she reveals herself toward the end of the article as an avowed Marxist who wants to smash what she regards as American "capitalist imperialism" and recklessly characterizes all U.S. military actions as "war crimes"--because she regards America as evil. She would say the veterans that Sasha quotes are equally "war criminals." Are you aligned with this position?

The prosaic reason the Dems have run so many candidates that are military or intelligence in competitive districts is that they have so many extreme politicians in blue districts that they want to convince moderates that they can be sober and patriotic.

There is no lockstep cabal of intelligence "spooks" aiming to control Congress. Military and intelligence veterans have a wide range of political opinions. The majority tends conservative, especially Army and Marine veterans. On the other hand, the CIA has indeed traditionally recruited from liberal elite academic institutions.

Lastly, the 50 some odd retired intelligence agency heads who signed the embarrassing letter about Hunter Biden's laptop were indeed formally or constructively aligned with the Democratic Party. All agencies at the top are highly political. Each President picks agency and service chiefs aligned with his priorities. Same with Trump--especially this term. That doesn't mean that the rank and file of these agencies and services are bound in a unitary and clandestine conspiracy.

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Christopher Kruger's avatar

Hi Terry, here is an almost identical post from NBC, who I am sure you know you can trust-

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/their-new-mission-foil-trump-ex-intelligence-officials-run-congress-n907291

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Brian M's avatar

You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. All six have flushed whatever they did in their service for political fame

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Terry Quist's avatar

Whatever. I don't approve what they said, either. But the specific question was whether they were all "spooks," which they weren't.

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James David's avatar

Correct. This has CIA all over it. We have to destroy the spooks, no matter what it takes.

And correct about the neocon migration. Neocons are a core part of the evil rot. They have to be destroyed along with the spooks.

And I don't mean politically destroyed. I mean composted.

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Tomas Pajaros's avatar

Sen. Elissa Slotkin: "I Am Not Aware" Of Trump Giving Any Illegal Orders To Military

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"So, the best thing for people to do is go to their JAG officer," she repeated.

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these statements make zero sense until you parse the Democratic strategy: disinformation, gaslighting, misleading, fearmongering, and above all Trump-Smearing.

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what's sad is how it proves that they have no policies! nothing to sell America, nothing to offer why we should vote for them. All they have is all these weird frightening fantasms of Trump is Hitler Stalin and Darth Vader all rolled together.

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America rejects their policies completely. Their answer is to openly violate the Constitutional chain of military command and drop a big hint for a military uprising.

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so sad.

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Orenv's avatar

Go to the JAG before or after you disobey a direct order?

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Tom Potts's avatar

Why not? He can pre-install their handcuffs and pout them in the pokei.

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Faith's avatar

The Democrats always try to run the country even when they're not in power. They don't respect our Democracy (our constitutional republic) and constantly undermine and disrespect the will of the people who voted Trump into power by both electorial and popular vote majorities. The Media shouldpoint this out. Oh, if only we had an honest, fair media

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Brian DeLeon's avatar

Yes, Slotkin used the old trick, “I have no knowledge that Trump has given illegal orders.”

It’s called plausible deniability.

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Brian M's avatar
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Except that Slotkin's fore-knowledge is not necessary (as if she, a CIA agent, had no such knowledge. BS!). The video meets the definition of the law I cited, which is 18 USC Ch: 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES §2387. The participants are all in violation of the very wording of that law. No interpretation is required. They need to be indicted and prosecuted. Hopefully the Grand Jury has been empaneled

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Patrick Chine's avatar

Former US Navy officer. Yes, can't be forced to follow an unconstitutional order. Yes, Trump's reaction is to gut the procedures of federal statutes to "shoot the messengers."

However, where were these people before? Dems acted like Nazis against Jan 6 participants. There is an older woman rotting in Colorado prison in very cold temperatures because she correctly exposed a stolen election.

Yes, Lara Logan revealed that Smartmatic (Dominion and other electronic vote counters) have software from that corrupt Venezuelan company with the purposes of stealing elections and fooling audits.

Barack Obama was elected because of fake voting and rewarded the corruption by removing the sanctions from Cuba. 2020 was stolen, and now Trump has the smoking gun. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe and Hunter Biden, Nancy Pelosi (persecuted those protesting 2020 stolen election), etc., can all be seized by federal law enforcement under reasonable search and seizure. A judge need not be consulted unless seeking probable cause for a warrant. Federal Grand Juries will likely indict the aforementioned and many others.

Where were these people when real Americans protesting an election that was likely stolen were persecuted and punished in excess of anything imagined by the 8th Amendment?

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Jeff Lynn's avatar

Agree that Trump opened mouth before thinking again. His best move would be to gather up veterans on the GOP side of the aisle and make a video asking what order has been unConstitutional or illegal. A clip from Slotkin and Crow stating there has been NONE would fit nicely in between several vets like Eli Crane (Navy Seal), Tulsi Gabbard (current DNI) and even Lindsey Graham (AF JAG) to explain that the democrat video was pure politcal campaign propaganda!

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Matthew J Florio's avatar

Um, no. This is not a case of propaganda and counter-propaganda. This was an act of sedition, and should be treated as such.

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Petey's avatar

Nope to DJT opening his mouth the standard of republican negotiations is to agree to their opponent s point and give them more of what their opponent wants. DJT s negotiation is death or prison both are acceptable in this case. Now the dems gotta start backing up and say let s not be hasty. It DJT had pulled a Bush and let it go the message coming from the dems next would be civil war 2 is just because orange man bad. Repubs gotta start making at least one of them pay the price for attempting to break the chain of command. Looks like Kelly is the weak link call him back to service and court Marshal him

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Erie dearie's avatar

Court martial him also.

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smartideas's avatar

Well said! Their video is dangerous and irresponsible.

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Deidre K's avatar

Hell yes! Just a side note- they keep whipping up their followers with fear mongering lies. They rush the streets in their fear and anger and empty mantras. Then their overlords blame Maga for trying to regain law and order as the minions create havoc in the streets scaring law abiding immigrants into thinking they are being disappeared. It is evil.

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KARYN TRUITT's avatar

I read something on FB about how the dems threw the hand grenade and now they are pissing themselves over the chaos that was caused by the reaction to said throw...

It's exactly as you said. They create a 'crisis' then are shocked - SHOCKED, I SAY!!! - when people get angry about their behavior' "What? What did *we* do???"

I understand that the term is 'Stochastic terrorism'

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Dena's avatar

I keep waiting for the chicken little result. How many times will the public fall for the fear the dems are selling?

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Brian M's avatar
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Well done, Sasha!! I was truly disgusted last week when this video was released. It was clearly an effort to create chaos in the military and undermine the authority of the office of President (no matter who is in that office), which is against the best interests of America and, quoting the Constitution, is most certainly giving " them Aid and Comfort" to the enemies of America, which is the definition of Treason and sedition. In fact in the American criminal code, the Seditious Six's activities are specifically called out as crimes against America:

18 USC Ch: 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES §2387

Activities affecting armed forces generally

(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States:

(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or

(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

(b) For the purposes of this section, the term "military or naval forces of the United States" includes the Army of the United States, the Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Navy Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the Army or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.

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Susan G's avatar

Saw a similar post on X. Thank you for citing the applicable code. Maybe I'll send this to my congressman (picture 3). Oh, wait, why bother, he doesn't give a damn about people like me (lean Democrat district - last election 52%D 48%R).

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Brian M's avatar
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You are correct....Democrats in Congress are just hoping the GOP never gets its act together and hold their leadership accountable for lying to / misleading the public and in this case, literal Sedition by the letter of the law. This section was literally written for the Slotkin / Kelly video

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Please send it anyway! Even if he's not your party, you're still his constituent. With mid-terms coming up, you might catch his interest. Also, maybe a letter to the editor of your local paper or something on Facebook or on his X account?

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Kathleen's avatar

Agreed!

Unfortunately, Trumps overreaction took focus off the heinous video

Video was disgusting and borderline treasonous

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Matthew J Florio's avatar

There was a reaction, not an overreaction. People have become too complacent about Democrats violating the law. Just because we've come to expect it doesn't mean they shouldn't be held accountable. Just because we've been lax before does not mean we should be lax now.

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Brian M's avatar
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Agree with Matthew. Trump was just referencing the Constitution where Sedition is listed as a capital offense potentially resulting in execution. I don't understand why people don't think Trump should defend himself and the Constitution.

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Dena's avatar

I think Trumps reaction brought the necessary attention to the video that msm tries to ignore.

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Matthew J Florio's avatar

Let's call this what it is.

This is a bald-faced attempt by Democrat cowards to get some poor E-3 with more guts than sense to flush his life down the toilet for their cause. They want some kid fresh out of boot to think he's going to be a big hero by "finally taking down Trump" when he refuses an order. They'll make the kid a celebrity for exactly one news cycle and then leave him to rot in Leavenworth and/or be followed around the rest of his life by a dishonorable discharge.

It's deceitful, shameful, and I don't mind interpreting existing statutes to define it as illegal. These gutless wonders don't even have the minerals to make their case out loud, hoping some hapless soldier does their dirty work for them. Arrest these assholes and let's see if a court agrees that their clear intent was to interfere with military discipline.

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Paul Scofield's avatar

Well put.

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Greg Deibert's avatar

Bingo!!

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NSaustin's avatar

Was Slotkin staging a CIA op? It's a real sickness in the dem party. They seem to forget that we have an all-volunteer military. People sign up to support our country, get an education, and have purpose. ALL service members are briefed on what an illegal order is and it's pretty straight forward--then they make an oath to obey the orders of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over them. Because you politically don't like something isn't included in an illegal order category. I sincerely hope these politicians pay some price for their sky is falling charade.

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Tutti's avatar

While it is dishonorable for a member of Congress to publicly exhort our military to disobey an order under the guise of "unlawful" orders from the executive (when, to date, no evidence of this can be found), it is even more shameful for a former military officer to engage in such seditious and , perhaps, treasonous behavior.

Those ex-military members of Congress who signed-on to this farce should be ashamed...but then, in order to feel shame you have to first have an honorable conscience.

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Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

Mark Kelly looks absolutely DERANGED in the video. He needs help.

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Bat Man's avatar

He doubled down today. I wrote him yesterday and gave him a "what for"! Got a "Thank you"reply today. Idiot. He wouldn't know an illegal anything. He's committing an illegal act and does not know it. Sedation

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R H's avatar

"Crazy Town" is spot on. It is also the capital of "Bizarro World" where everything is the opposite of logic, reason, and common sense.

Sidenote: look at Deluzio's eyes and tell me that's not a demon in a human body.

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Gym+Fritz's avatar

The video by Slotkin & her buddies smacks of low level sedition. I doubt that any of them actually served in command positions. I think they were interlopers in the military, probably held administrative, functionary, positions of privilege. Having a Ranger patch means that you went to Ranger school, not that you served in a Ranger unit. The phrases “useful idiots “, “psy-op” and “jail-house lawyers” come to mind. They all need to be drummed out of leadership positions - they’re no better than the “squad”.

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving, Sasha!

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Dave's avatar

Wonderful article - spot on

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Tom Servo's avatar

Fear mongering is fear porn, the Dem's favorite kind

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Brian M's avatar

Do you think Democrats have orgasms with their fear porn?

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Tom Servo's avatar

I don't want to know

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Freedom's avatar

So good, Sasha. Articulate. True.

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Mark Marshall's avatar

Thank you, Sasha. The more I think about what the Seditious Six did, the angrier I get.

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Barbara Bergin's avatar

“We’ll have your backs…” And if you believe that, there’s this land in Florida. Do the people they’re calling to believe these liars will pay their legal fees and fix their resumes when they go AWOL?

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