Next time someone tells you that they are thinking of fleeing America due to Trump's fascist immigration policy, ask them if they are going to migrate to another country legally or illegally.
Anything that Trump does, the media is going to continue to misreport, and lie about. So many of those polls are skewed, in the way they asked the questions. The media's whole focus is to get everyone to believe that everyone is bailing on Trump. Nope. These problems can't be solved overnight. People need to have patience. But the mainstream media's whole goal is to get everyone to wring their hands and panic.
I just saw a CNN report, believe it or not (!) that showed that support for deporting illegal immigrants is as strong as it ever has been. (CNN-- a broken clock is right, twice a day! This is one of those times.)
Four different polls were taken. And all showed support for deportations of ALL illegal immigrants, not just violent criminals, ranging from 54% to 62%.
Because of their dominance in the mainstream media, the effect that they portray is that everyone is changing their minds, but this is not true.
In one poll, 61 to 35%, supported deporting all illegal aliens..
With Democrats, the immigration issue is all virtue signaling. And of course, protesting Trump because then they "are good people."
I would suggest to all these Democrats that the best course of action would be to personally sponsor some illegal immigrants, put them up at your home, pay their expenses... And vouch for them to become legal citizens of the United States of America. This is what used to happen when people would emigrate here and wanted to stay here!
But, NO. Nobody will take me up on that offer because it's all just opposition to anything Trump does.
And, according to Critical Race Theory, ALL whites are racist. It's about opening our doors to the world, to "get back at the man..."
Indoctrinated liberal college students should be made to spend a month in Gaza, or in a South American dictatorship, or in a poor African country, so that they can find out what advantages they were born with. Talk about born with the silver spoon in their mouth!
As Ms. Stone stated, people who live in California and Dems in Florida as well are very much on board with the exploitation of illegals for labor that wealthy people don't want to do. So, the problem is not only virtue signaling but a Confederacy style defense of the California "lifestyle," which includes turning Latin Americans into servants.
Minimum-wage laws became unenforceable in Texas several years ago. I remember some White guy standing in my back yard expressing amazement at how low "the bid" offered by some Mexican guy was. It's amazing how socialists are now no longer in favor of minimum-wage laws ...
When the socialists become restaurant owners a lot changes in what they do for themselves. But they still will guilt anybody who asks how much will we pay in taxes for the socialist programs.
To my mind, just supporting redistribution of wealth (and income), which the Left has long supported, is not the same thing. A major problem, which may well prove fatal to our society, is that Whites have been tricked into accepting White Guilt. (Also Male Guilt, though that is not what we are talking about) This process has occurred (as I think you know) largely due to a Veritable Library of All Known Fallacies being deployed in support.
And yet I cannot get Ms. Stone (I hate the modern disease of referring to people by their first names) to acknowledge the significance of even one fallacy. A text-book example of Affirming the Consequent, which would much more comprehensibly be referred to as "Consistent With = Indicative Of", occur in today's offering: "If Trump was a racist, he would be in favor of deportations. Trump is in favor of deportations, so Trump is a racist." Such arguments implicitly deny the reality of subsets: no evidence that racists cannot possibly be a subset of deportation-supporters is adduced.
As for capitalism and egalitarianism, I think that each has an "all things being equal" validity that pulls the rug out from under the other. Capitalism creates more wealth. But egalitarianism replicates the state of affairs that evolution has in effect made us expect. I know that intellectuals have a tendency to fall in love with abstract principles, with "table-pounding" being the inevitable result. But as the ancient Greeks used to say: "Moderation in all things".
The most eye-opening poll on this topic was actually from CNN. They asked US immigrant citizens (so people who are NOT native born) which party they trusted more on immigration:
In 2020, the result was +32 Democrats.
In 2024/25: the result was +8 GOP.
In other words, there was a 40 point shift in trust over 4-5 years, which is almost unheard of in polling.
When did it happen that people stayed in stranger's homes when they emigrated? They may have arranged to stay with relatives until they could get on their feet. My father emigrated with his parents in 1920 through Ellis Island and paid their own way. Did you spend time in a S. American dictatorship or a poor African Country?
No, they didn't in the past, but they were often sponsored. I suggested that people who are in favor of unlimited immigration, "put their money where their mouth is," and TRULY support illegal immigrants...
But they won't. It's all virtue signaling...
No, I haven't spent time in a South American dictatorship, or a poor African country. See, it doesn't need to happen, to educate me, because I LOVE my country...
I don't walk around calling it a horrible, racist country, like all these woke Leftist indoctrinated Progressives do.
The right just calls all the brown & black people in the US "horrible people & criminals." You sure are sure of yourself that you "know" what it is like in a South American dictatorship or poor African country. I would think you would have some compassion for them if you actually did.
What I said is, many people who come here from, for instance, a South American dictatorship, or a poor country in Africa, or a communist country... Realize it is much better here.
Perhaps YOU are the one who feels that towards brown and black people.
People are welcome to come, but they need to do it legally. That seems to be the problem that leftists just can't understand.
When the Czechs immigrated to Texas, they were sponsored by the Czechs who’d already arrived. The sponsor helped pay for their passage to America and probably assisted with finding work and providing community, but I think that was the extent of their assistance.
Even the debate about legal immigration is a lot more complex than what these polls reveal. It is apparent that legal immigrants from barbaric cultures refuse to assimilate in the UK and other European countries, and now the domestic cultures are being destroyed. The sheer amount of legal immigrants from whatever places needs to be restricted. None of the polls presented those choices to people, and many Americans are still unfamiliar with the disintegrating situation in Europe.
To be "Islamo-gnostic" is to be "Islamo-phobic". I have read the "holy" Koran twice. No one who believes that the Koran is "the word of God" should be allowed to get two feet in America, or any 1st-World country. The Koran explicitly allows rape of slaves, and women being 1/3 as valuable as men. It also says 7 times that Muslims cannot be friends with "infidels". So much for "assimilation"!
I too have read the Koran, once, in English. It was many years ago, so the passages about infidels may not have been sanitized like they reportedly are in the current English translations. So tired of hearing syrupy patronizing lectures about how "Islam is the religion of peace."
I wonder how the leftists in the U.S. would react if they had to look closely at what is happening to the U.K. because of uncontrolled immigration. They seem to have become unable to cognitively process information that sheds doubt on their narratives about "immigrants."
Unless you force them to watch (or look closely) then they won't. and if you force them to watch they will tell you it was like in A Clockwork Orange that their eyes were forced to stay open, drops applied by some dude every so often, and they were indoctrinated against their will. Not. Gonna. Happen. Just say RIP UK now because I am not sure there is any going back for them.
I know. The same will be true for Canada and the U.S. unless we can somehow turn the ship around. Unfortunately, the scene in the U.S. resembles the fall of Rome, when hordes of people from outlying territories poured into the city, overwhelming its capacity to absorb newcomers.
The Truth...and as with all politics, different sides of the same coin. I despise the laxity of the borders because of fundamental Islam. But I despise the Christian Church. Christians I know to be liars and thieves and two wonderful daughters who reverted to Islam after Christian families destroyed their lives. My daughters are profoundly happy... But they fear the fundamental Islamists as much as we do.
I am grateful to have been raised without religion, although there are also disadvantages to that kind of background. I have known so many people who have a lot of anger, guilt, shame and in some cases trauma connected with childhood or later experiences with religion. I don't have any of those problems. On the other hand, I miss some of the experiences my religious friends say they value about church membership.
If only SCOTUS would decide in favor of Americans and rule that illegals should not be counted in the decadal census and do not qualify for birthright citizenship, the Democrats and progressives will have no further use for them and this issue will die.
In 1968 two of Gallup's interviewers were discovered to have falsified data in a poll of Harlem residents conducted for the New York Times. More troubling were charges that Gallup's people maintained improper ties to the Nixon administration. Poll numbers were provided before publication, allowing Nixon to prepare the public and the put the best possible spin on the results. Nixon's aides also suggested questions for the Gallup Poll, thus influencing public opinion from the outset. The Nixon administration used both Gallup and rival Louis Harris, misleading the pollsters' associates into thinking that Nixon would not make improper use of early poll results. At the very least the pollsters were naive. The fact that Gallup officials only met with Nixon aides in a hotel rather than the White House was a tacit admission that if such contact were known to the public the company's reputation for objectivity would be compromised.
The best and most accurate polls are Rasmussen and Quinnipiac.
Moreover, I recall in the late Summer of 2016, when Professor of Political Science at University of Virginia, Larry Sabato, told Fox News "I hate to disappoint the MAGA voters but there is no way Trump will beat Hillary".
I remember the shock the newsreaders suffered when the overnight counting of the Milwaukee and Detroit votes didn't give them the turnaround they counted on in those states.
There is a legal process to immigrate, and when violating title 8 of the USC, section 1375, there is a spelled-out process to remove the intruder. Just ask all of the legal immigrants how it is done and ask THEM how they feel about people who come here illegally. They are naturally pissed!
We love to talk about having healthy boundaries, and when we go beyond a heathy boundary in a relationship, it causes problems, naturally.
Every group of people that has immigrated to the United States, prior to the 1960s, assimilated. Now, people come from all different backgrounds, which is fine, but many of them do not wish to assimilate to American culture.
Many of them hold hostile views to our country, and to our freedoms. We need to examine very closely, who we let into our country.
Many people who come here from communism or dictatorships, truly value the freedom that our country offers! It is sad that many of the leftist woke college students, have been indoctrinated to believe that the United States is basically a racist and problematic country. We may not be perfect, but we dealt with our societal problems way before most of the rest of the world.
People need to wake up! Illegal immigration is killing Europe. 50 years from now, or sooner, they'll either be under Sharia law, or having civil wars.
A country isnt a country, if it doesn't have borders. Muslim sharia law is incompatible with western Democracy.
Nicely said. My wife and son are - legal- immigrants. Not an easy process, and has to be renewed periodically in an arcane and not cheap process.
Sorry, just have no sympathy, no matter how long they have been here, that they paid taxes (a whole different set of questions), have kids in school, are on welfare - what do you think SNAP, Medicaid is, they have 'never been arrested' (in the US)...the excuses go on.
They are here illegally. Some had years, decades even to rectify their illegal status. They were given a chance to self-deport with a bit of cash and the opportunity to legally apply to enter.
I get what Sasha is saying and perhaps she is at least partially correct. The leftist media is, has painted a socialist picture of the illegal immigrants - the down trodden, the so called dreamers. While also neglecting to mention the gangs and terrorists. But as usual, the MSM is perhaps shaping a push back against deportations.
Judging from the past almost six months, I think the Trump team is aware. And, suspect they already have a game plan in place that we're not aware of.
Hi Scott. I am not American and cannot say I understand what is going on between Republicans and Democrats on immigration but it is undoubtedly a sprawling shitshow. I do not think that countries should tolerate illegal immigration ever and I am neither pro or con legal immigration, it depends on a countries needs at any point in time. I am not MAGA and I cannot say I like Trump but I understand American disgust with the Democrats. All this is to give context for my question. Trump is being accused of being a dictator for the way he handling illegals, which of course he has to do, but it does matter how he does it. So point me in the direction of some accurate and thoughtful analysis of the is problem please. Thanks, Allen.
May I suggest going to the VictorHanson.com website for a start? His analyses are both thoughtful and accurate. Some would suggest the Daily Wire website and the podasts of Ben Shapiro, too. FWIW.
Because Stephen Miller, Trump's chief strategist, is a known racist who is coming up with strategies to expel "brown and black" people which is something he loves! He sent 800+ emails between 2015 and 2016 to Breitbart editor Katie McHugh while he was working for then Sen. Jeff Sessions and later on the Trump campaign, 80% of which were focused on race & immigration. McHugh, who had a change of heart about being a white supremacist, released them, it is even mentioned in an right-wing source, NY Post.
"The emails show that he shared stories from white nationalist websites to Breitbart editors and recommended that the alt-right news organization do story about “The Camp of the Saints,” a racist French novel by Jean Raspail that discusses white genocide."
You would of course get a lot more detail about what was in the emails from other sources like:
That is defamatory. Stephen Miller is not, nor has ever been accused by anyone but anonymous Internet trolls, of treating anyone unfairly due to their race. He does not even use the racist and hurtful phrase "black and brown people". Who even talks like that? Wow. And that you would think "The Camp of the Saints" was anything BUT a morality lesson against racism means you have not read it. You likely think Uncle Tom's Cabin and Huckleberry Finn were racist novels, when the first of these was probably essential to rallying people to fight for freedom due to humanizing otherwise remote populations, and the second was a masterpiece of anti-racist literature by the foremost American liberal humanist of his and our own century. Let me guess, you write "N-word" because you think us Black folks are children who do not know the word you are really communicating. Shame on you.
He doesn't use it but that's what he is always thinking about. I have never used the N-word in my life even though I grew up in the 1960s in VA and my schools were not integrated until 1968 when I was in 8th grade. Even NY Post acknowledged the racist emails which all the other right wing sites ignored. He got lots of material from American Renaissance (News and commentary on interracial crime, race differences, white advocacy, Third World immigration, anti-white racism, and white identity.) in his emails. You can read some of them at:
Precisely! Leftists oppose all boundary setting that supports justified self defense, whether it is women being raped by terrorists, parents of children being mutilated, or countries that want to remain civilized.
I'm amazed few people discuss the elephant in the room. When you have mass illegals entering the country, there are also many children with them. These children go to public schools. Many times there has to be programs to teach them English. More students, more programs == more taxes and $ spent.
Whatever the cost of illegals you hear multiply it by 2 or more. If you think I'm full of it, I live in Massachusetts, I've been witnessing it for years.
I won't blame Biden 100%, but he opened the floodgates. IMO the damage is done and will take years to recover, if they.
A GOP-led bill introduced in the House of Representatives in May would allow teenagers to work longer and later hours if signed into law by Trump.
Johnson's Teenagers Earning Everyday Necessary Skills (TEENS) Act would change the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to adjust federal requirements for child labor laws. It would allow states to create laws allowing 14- and 15-year-olds to work until 9 p.m. year-round. Currently, federal law prohibits them from working past 7 p.m. during the school year.
The bill would also increase the number of hours they can work during the school week from 18 to 24.
That's interesting. Many kids, including my grandchildren have soccer practice till 9 or 10 at night, and I think it's pretty late on school nights. I worked at 16 to till 11pm or later on the weekends at Taco Bell. I think it depends on the kid and how they're doing in other aspects of their lives. Up to the parents, evaluating their own kids.
The business model of pollsters is to create confirmation bias for the the people who pay their bills. These subscribers are generally media outlets, think tanks, and foundations. Almost all of these are left-leaning.
They are not paid to be correct - they never suffer if they overstate democrat party support. The media moves on, and these pollsters still get quoted. Errors are memory-holed.
The vast majority of polling firm subscribers are in the business of moving the Progressive Football down the field. Polling firms serve a narrative-establishing function.
During elections, they are in the business of astroturfing democrat support and demoralizing republicans.
CNN's Enten was aghast just a couple of days ago because of the high support across the board for deportations. Support is rising among Hispanics and blacks. Gallup is the least reliable in a whole unreliable bunch. This policy is not unpopular and then dems defending the criminals that are being deported is hurting *them*.
FYI I know of not one of my Republican conservative circle opposing immigration. Legal immigration. None. We do want vetting of immigrants. Is that too much to want?
That's correct. NOT one Republican is against legal immigration. The media and the left always twist this with their "undocumented" descriptions and other BS
Trump's chief strategist, the white supremacist Stephen Miller, is known for his anit-immigration ideas and has said “America is for Americans and Americans only.”
Any time the Left loses anything, it's because everyone is racists, white supremacists, misogynists, homophobes, Islamophobes, etc etc.
Come up with something new, Jesse Jackson!
You lost in 2024. Stop your whining. Trump is doing what he was elected to do. And, much to your dismay, he is actually FOLLOWING immigration law, which Biden broke! So, Stop denigrating people who agree with Trump, for following the law. It just shows your total lack of decency and class.
I agree. If you're here to make our country better, and in turn your own life better, that's good. Legal immigration is great. Illegal immigrate is not.
Did you read anything about Stephen Miller's racist emails to Breitbart editor Katie McHugh, who had a change of heart about being a white supremacist and released them? It is even mentioned in an "acceptable "source, NY Post.
"The emails show that he shared stories from white nationalist websites to Breitbart editors and recommended that the alt-right news organization do a story about “The Camp of the Saints,” a racist French novel by Jean Raspail that discusses white genocide."
You would of course get a lot more detail about what was in the emails if you dared to read a site like newsweek ( a news media source with an AllSides Media Bias Rating™ of Center; Newsweek's bias has shifted significantly in recent years, and was rated Left prior to 2020.)
The problem is that the left doesn't see themselves as the exploiters of illegal immigrant labor, but they are. It should be that if, as an employer, you have a job that no one will do for, say, $10 an hour you raise the wage until someone will do the job. The way it works is if you can't get a citizen to do it for $10 an hour you hire an illegal for $8. That's why every labor leader, including Cesar Chavez, was against illegal immigration. And don't get me started on the wealthy leftists who are like the clueless aristocrats in Downton Abbey with their cheaply paid maids and gardeners who have no clue about the difference between productive and unproductive employment.
I grew up in California and worked alongside a lot of illegals, and have nothing but respect for their work ethic. The problem isn't them, it's the people who hire and exploit their willingness to work cheaply and then try to treat that exploitation as a virtue (just like the English aristocrats).
Bottom line is you are not pro-worker if you are for illegal immigration.
Trump has certainly used illegal immigrants in his businesses. People from Costa Rica and other countries said they and other family members and friends were employed by the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., and that their managers knew they were undocumented. Out of the 12 U.S.-based Trump golf courses, just 3 of them used the background check system E-Verify, which has been offered by the government since 2007. Trump himself has said making E-Verify mandatory for all employers is one of his immigration priorities.
Perhaps Fox should stop televising ICE protests and start televising the European cities invaded by illegals and the devastation in their cities. The fact that Ireland and England are now protesting to take back their countries is a too little too late sad reality. The immigrants and Muslims now control city govt and natives are declared thought criminals for wanting their culture back. America is next
That is the most important thing if you ask me. No one is asking me though. Show what happens when you let those people in, mostly Muslims, then refuse to hold them accountable for breaking your laws and raping your children. It is coming here. This needs to be all the headlines all the time.
There is an easy answer. Report the facts about illegal immigration. Take away FCC licenses from lying media outlets unless they do HARVEST OF SHAME DOCUMENTARIES IN PRIME TIME about illegal crime, violence, and destruction of American working-class prosperity. You could turn public opinion in favor of Trump in a week, IMHO.
EXACTLY! I’ve been going back-and-forth with someone on Substack who is not privy to ANY of the negative effects that you cited of illegal immigration. I’ve had to send him several of my articles that talk about these things. If the media were honest, they would show everything. I guess that’s why it’s up to independent media and us citizens to get the word out as best we can.🙌🏾
1) the leftist media can't shape the narrative anymore. The Muller report was the straw that broke their backs. How do you know? Republicans have no fear of them anymore. Even cucks call them out
2) their dwindling audience numbers show it. Frankly, your mother is representative only of the looney left. That's the only audience they have left
3) Gallup is not a reputable pollster. Like Reuters, their polls are proven to be 10-15% skewed.
I don't know if the recent news has changed the mind of anyone who voted for Trump largely because of Biden's open borders. If the Democrats get back in, won't they just open the borders again? It was obvious that mass deportations were going to be ugly. Opening the borders again will be uglier.
Congress already passed laws about immigration and illegal immigration is ... well illegal. That didn't stop the Biden administration from ignoring the laws when it suited them.
Which is why the new ‘sealing’ of the border needs to have more teeth and sticks if not adhered to. Something financially painful if not followed. There needs to be an illegal immigration ‘tariff’ that future Executive branches cannot easily circumvent.
Or, we can continue to have both sides of the aisle continue to use illegal immigration as a partisan football. If that’s what you’d like then be happy and pleased with the last 50 years of US government immigration approach.
As it turns out, there really are people who cannot distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. Sasha's mother, Barbara Stone, is one of them. Presumably, they're the same people that cannot distinguish men from women. It's a form of mental illness and has nothing to do with human or civil rights. I don't know what to do about that other than enforce the law as it is written.
These useless polls that intentionally conflate legal with illegal immigration are simply dishonest and are intended to further confuse and dumb-down the people.
The first test to see if they are worthy of entering the country--and they will potentially be a plus for us, not a drag on us. Is, for them to have gone through the process to do it right. If they can't, or won't do that--we don't need them. That is the end of the first test.
Seriously, Gallop polls? I stopped believing the polls when they said Hillary was going to win in a landslide.
Next time someone tells you that they are thinking of fleeing America due to Trump's fascist immigration policy, ask them if they are going to migrate to another country legally or illegally.
Touche!
Well, it always happens eventually.
Anything that Trump does, the media is going to continue to misreport, and lie about. So many of those polls are skewed, in the way they asked the questions. The media's whole focus is to get everyone to believe that everyone is bailing on Trump. Nope. These problems can't be solved overnight. People need to have patience. But the mainstream media's whole goal is to get everyone to wring their hands and panic.
I just saw a CNN report, believe it or not (!) that showed that support for deporting illegal immigrants is as strong as it ever has been. (CNN-- a broken clock is right, twice a day! This is one of those times.)
Four different polls were taken. And all showed support for deportations of ALL illegal immigrants, not just violent criminals, ranging from 54% to 62%.
Because of their dominance in the mainstream media, the effect that they portray is that everyone is changing their minds, but this is not true.
In one poll, 61 to 35%, supported deporting all illegal aliens..
White 65-31%
Black 53-37%
Hispanic 50-48%
Dem 26-68% 😳😳😳
Rep 94-4%
Ind 59-37%
Hold the course. That is why Trump got elected!
With Democrats, the immigration issue is all virtue signaling. And of course, protesting Trump because then they "are good people."
I would suggest to all these Democrats that the best course of action would be to personally sponsor some illegal immigrants, put them up at your home, pay their expenses... And vouch for them to become legal citizens of the United States of America. This is what used to happen when people would emigrate here and wanted to stay here!
But, NO. Nobody will take me up on that offer because it's all just opposition to anything Trump does.
And, according to Critical Race Theory, ALL whites are racist. It's about opening our doors to the world, to "get back at the man..."
Indoctrinated liberal college students should be made to spend a month in Gaza, or in a South American dictatorship, or in a poor African country, so that they can find out what advantages they were born with. Talk about born with the silver spoon in their mouth!
As Ms. Stone stated, people who live in California and Dems in Florida as well are very much on board with the exploitation of illegals for labor that wealthy people don't want to do. So, the problem is not only virtue signaling but a Confederacy style defense of the California "lifestyle," which includes turning Latin Americans into servants.
Minimum-wage laws became unenforceable in Texas several years ago. I remember some White guy standing in my back yard expressing amazement at how low "the bid" offered by some Mexican guy was. It's amazing how socialists are now no longer in favor of minimum-wage laws ...
When the socialists become restaurant owners a lot changes in what they do for themselves. But they still will guilt anybody who asks how much will we pay in taxes for the socialist programs.
I think they stop being socialists.
To my mind, just supporting redistribution of wealth (and income), which the Left has long supported, is not the same thing. A major problem, which may well prove fatal to our society, is that Whites have been tricked into accepting White Guilt. (Also Male Guilt, though that is not what we are talking about) This process has occurred (as I think you know) largely due to a Veritable Library of All Known Fallacies being deployed in support.
And yet I cannot get Ms. Stone (I hate the modern disease of referring to people by their first names) to acknowledge the significance of even one fallacy. A text-book example of Affirming the Consequent, which would much more comprehensibly be referred to as "Consistent With = Indicative Of", occur in today's offering: "If Trump was a racist, he would be in favor of deportations. Trump is in favor of deportations, so Trump is a racist." Such arguments implicitly deny the reality of subsets: no evidence that racists cannot possibly be a subset of deportation-supporters is adduced.
As for capitalism and egalitarianism, I think that each has an "all things being equal" validity that pulls the rug out from under the other. Capitalism creates more wealth. But egalitarianism replicates the state of affairs that evolution has in effect made us expect. I know that intellectuals have a tendency to fall in love with abstract principles, with "table-pounding" being the inevitable result. But as the ancient Greeks used to say: "Moderation in all things".
How do you know he was a "socialist"?
The most eye-opening poll on this topic was actually from CNN. They asked US immigrant citizens (so people who are NOT native born) which party they trusted more on immigration:
In 2020, the result was +32 Democrats.
In 2024/25: the result was +8 GOP.
In other words, there was a 40 point shift in trust over 4-5 years, which is almost unheard of in polling.
Annnnnd…LOVING IT!
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When did it happen that people stayed in stranger's homes when they emigrated? They may have arranged to stay with relatives until they could get on their feet. My father emigrated with his parents in 1920 through Ellis Island and paid their own way. Did you spend time in a S. American dictatorship or a poor African Country?
No, they didn't in the past, but they were often sponsored. I suggested that people who are in favor of unlimited immigration, "put their money where their mouth is," and TRULY support illegal immigrants...
But they won't. It's all virtue signaling...
No, I haven't spent time in a South American dictatorship, or a poor African country. See, it doesn't need to happen, to educate me, because I LOVE my country...
I don't walk around calling it a horrible, racist country, like all these woke Leftist indoctrinated Progressives do.
I know America is a great country.
I don't hate it, like Progressives.
The right just calls all the brown & black people in the US "horrible people & criminals." You sure are sure of yourself that you "know" what it is like in a South American dictatorship or poor African country. I would think you would have some compassion for them if you actually did.
No, we don't call all black and brown people in the US "horrible people and criminals."
You seem to have a perception problem or maybe you've been listening to Joy. Reid and Rachel Madcow too much...
I guess I will admit, that the right does call most far left woke liberals "horrible and stupid people."
If the shoe fits 🤷
Nope...
What I said is, many people who come here from, for instance, a South American dictatorship, or a poor country in Africa, or a communist country... Realize it is much better here.
Perhaps YOU are the one who feels that towards brown and black people.
People are welcome to come, but they need to do it legally. That seems to be the problem that leftists just can't understand.
When the Czechs immigrated to Texas, they were sponsored by the Czechs who’d already arrived. The sponsor helped pay for their passage to America and probably assisted with finding work and providing community, but I think that was the extent of their assistance.
Even the debate about legal immigration is a lot more complex than what these polls reveal. It is apparent that legal immigrants from barbaric cultures refuse to assimilate in the UK and other European countries, and now the domestic cultures are being destroyed. The sheer amount of legal immigrants from whatever places needs to be restricted. None of the polls presented those choices to people, and many Americans are still unfamiliar with the disintegrating situation in Europe.
To be "Islamo-gnostic" is to be "Islamo-phobic". I have read the "holy" Koran twice. No one who believes that the Koran is "the word of God" should be allowed to get two feet in America, or any 1st-World country. The Koran explicitly allows rape of slaves, and women being 1/3 as valuable as men. It also says 7 times that Muslims cannot be friends with "infidels". So much for "assimilation"!
I too have read the Koran, once, in English. It was many years ago, so the passages about infidels may not have been sanitized like they reportedly are in the current English translations. So tired of hearing syrupy patronizing lectures about how "Islam is the religion of peace."
Truly, you were close!
Missed it, by THAT MUCH!
Islam is the religion of Pieces!
https://imgur.com/gallery/missed-by-that-much-rLixjnK
Apparently, Mohammed was onto something.
No kidding. Americans have no idea.
I wonder how the leftists in the U.S. would react if they had to look closely at what is happening to the U.K. because of uncontrolled immigration. They seem to have become unable to cognitively process information that sheds doubt on their narratives about "immigrants."
Bingo!!
Unless you force them to watch (or look closely) then they won't. and if you force them to watch they will tell you it was like in A Clockwork Orange that their eyes were forced to stay open, drops applied by some dude every so often, and they were indoctrinated against their will. Not. Gonna. Happen. Just say RIP UK now because I am not sure there is any going back for them.
I know. The same will be true for Canada and the U.S. unless we can somehow turn the ship around. Unfortunately, the scene in the U.S. resembles the fall of Rome, when hordes of people from outlying territories poured into the city, overwhelming its capacity to absorb newcomers.
The Truth...and as with all politics, different sides of the same coin. I despise the laxity of the borders because of fundamental Islam. But I despise the Christian Church. Christians I know to be liars and thieves and two wonderful daughters who reverted to Islam after Christian families destroyed their lives. My daughters are profoundly happy... But they fear the fundamental Islamists as much as we do.
I am grateful to have been raised without religion, although there are also disadvantages to that kind of background. I have known so many people who have a lot of anger, guilt, shame and in some cases trauma connected with childhood or later experiences with religion. I don't have any of those problems. On the other hand, I miss some of the experiences my religious friends say they value about church membership.
I'm glad to hear that your daughters are happy.
Copy that. Hierarchy of unbelievability for quoted sources:
1. Wikipedia
2. AP
3. Gallup
4. Pulling stuff out of one's backside
Dude, your performances in "A Man for All Seasons" and "The Train" were perfection; but, aren't you dead?
Depends on who you ask. My friends would say "more or less" and my enemies would add "if only."
Umm, aren't those 4, all the same source?
Likely, though I hope that detritus out of my backside is much more reliable than the first three! :-)
5. The late Paul Scofield.
If only SCOTUS would decide in favor of Americans and rule that illegals should not be counted in the decadal census and do not qualify for birthright citizenship, the Democrats and progressives will have no further use for them and this issue will die.
Gallup left one key word out of their questions - "illegal". 'Nuff said.
In 1968 two of Gallup's interviewers were discovered to have falsified data in a poll of Harlem residents conducted for the New York Times. More troubling were charges that Gallup's people maintained improper ties to the Nixon administration. Poll numbers were provided before publication, allowing Nixon to prepare the public and the put the best possible spin on the results. Nixon's aides also suggested questions for the Gallup Poll, thus influencing public opinion from the outset. The Nixon administration used both Gallup and rival Louis Harris, misleading the pollsters' associates into thinking that Nixon would not make improper use of early poll results. At the very least the pollsters were naive. The fact that Gallup officials only met with Nixon aides in a hotel rather than the White House was a tacit admission that if such contact were known to the public the company's reputation for objectivity would be compromised.
The best and most accurate polls are Rasmussen and Quinnipiac.
Moreover, I recall in the late Summer of 2016, when Professor of Political Science at University of Virginia, Larry Sabato, told Fox News "I hate to disappoint the MAGA voters but there is no way Trump will beat Hillary".
https://centerforpolitics.org/
They were counting on the rigged system to steal again. Remember how the leftist newscasters were in denial? Unger refused to believe it.
I remember the shock the newsreaders suffered when the overnight counting of the Milwaukee and Detroit votes didn't give them the turnaround they counted on in those states.
It was pretty glorious. If Hillary had won it would have been the 16 year plan and we'd all be slaves or dead now.
TRUTH!
On the pathway to Goebbels "if you tell a lie often enough" and to Orwell's "Ministry of Truth"?
Indeed, if you add the opposites, 78% (path to citizenship) + 38% (deport all illegals) = 116%, makes it more than 100%. How could it be?
Yep LOL in 2016 they had Hillary up 17% BS
Agree. And Biden, then Kamala...until the end.
There is a legal process to immigrate, and when violating title 8 of the USC, section 1375, there is a spelled-out process to remove the intruder. Just ask all of the legal immigrants how it is done and ask THEM how they feel about people who come here illegally. They are naturally pissed!
We love to talk about having healthy boundaries, and when we go beyond a heathy boundary in a relationship, it causes problems, naturally.
If we continue to allow illegal immigration + a lack of assimilation by cultures alien to western civilization, it may be the final nail in America’s coffin: https://lizlasorte.substack.com/p/borders-and-boundaries-and-freedom?r=76q58
Every group of people that has immigrated to the United States, prior to the 1960s, assimilated. Now, people come from all different backgrounds, which is fine, but many of them do not wish to assimilate to American culture.
Many of them hold hostile views to our country, and to our freedoms. We need to examine very closely, who we let into our country.
Many people who come here from communism or dictatorships, truly value the freedom that our country offers! It is sad that many of the leftist woke college students, have been indoctrinated to believe that the United States is basically a racist and problematic country. We may not be perfect, but we dealt with our societal problems way before most of the rest of the world.
People need to wake up! Illegal immigration is killing Europe. 50 years from now, or sooner, they'll either be under Sharia law, or having civil wars.
A country isnt a country, if it doesn't have borders. Muslim sharia law is incompatible with western Democracy.
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Do you really think that Juan and Maria are going to put their kids in school when they could be making money off putting them to work in the fields?
Where is Muslim sharia the law in the US?
What are you talking about?
There is no Muslim Sharia law in the US, and that's the way it needs to stay! Europe is doomed, as long as they continue on their current path.
Stop putting words in my mouth.
Nicely said. My wife and son are - legal- immigrants. Not an easy process, and has to be renewed periodically in an arcane and not cheap process.
Sorry, just have no sympathy, no matter how long they have been here, that they paid taxes (a whole different set of questions), have kids in school, are on welfare - what do you think SNAP, Medicaid is, they have 'never been arrested' (in the US)...the excuses go on.
They are here illegally. Some had years, decades even to rectify their illegal status. They were given a chance to self-deport with a bit of cash and the opportunity to legally apply to enter.
I get what Sasha is saying and perhaps she is at least partially correct. The leftist media is, has painted a socialist picture of the illegal immigrants - the down trodden, the so called dreamers. While also neglecting to mention the gangs and terrorists. But as usual, the MSM is perhaps shaping a push back against deportations.
Judging from the past almost six months, I think the Trump team is aware. And, suspect they already have a game plan in place that we're not aware of.
Stephen Miller is pushing the idea of "denaturalization." I'm sure your wife and son are fine if they are white, but if "brown", I don't know.
No one cares about white or brown. Legal or illegal is the issue.
Copy that.
Your accusations are baseless.
The reason why Leftists such as yourself, are so in favor of letting anybody who wants to, come into the country, is because...
1 they want to have their cheap maids and gardeners.
2 Their numbers will be used in a US census, in which blue States will have more seats in the US House.
Tell me, why is it that you think everybody who wants to come to this country, should be able to come to this country?
Hi Scott. I am not American and cannot say I understand what is going on between Republicans and Democrats on immigration but it is undoubtedly a sprawling shitshow. I do not think that countries should tolerate illegal immigration ever and I am neither pro or con legal immigration, it depends on a countries needs at any point in time. I am not MAGA and I cannot say I like Trump but I understand American disgust with the Democrats. All this is to give context for my question. Trump is being accused of being a dictator for the way he handling illegals, which of course he has to do, but it does matter how he does it. So point me in the direction of some accurate and thoughtful analysis of the is problem please. Thanks, Allen.
May I suggest going to the VictorHanson.com website for a start? His analyses are both thoughtful and accurate. Some would suggest the Daily Wire website and the podasts of Ben Shapiro, too. FWIW.
Thank you.
Breitbart news.
Gateway Pundit.
Red State / Townhall
Victor Hanson has his articles appear on these occasionally. He is right on.
Why do you keep repeating "black and brown people"? You are the only person I've heard routinely using that odd expression. Do you have a fetish?
Because Stephen Miller, Trump's chief strategist, is a known racist who is coming up with strategies to expel "brown and black" people which is something he loves! He sent 800+ emails between 2015 and 2016 to Breitbart editor Katie McHugh while he was working for then Sen. Jeff Sessions and later on the Trump campaign, 80% of which were focused on race & immigration. McHugh, who had a change of heart about being a white supremacist, released them, it is even mentioned in an right-wing source, NY Post.
https://nypost.com/2019/11/13/aoc-calls-on-stephen-miller-to-resign-over-leaked-emails/
"The emails show that he shared stories from white nationalist websites to Breitbart editors and recommended that the alt-right news organization do story about “The Camp of the Saints,” a racist French novel by Jean Raspail that discusses white genocide."
You would of course get a lot more detail about what was in the emails from other sources like:
https://www.newsweek.com/leaked-stephen-miller-emails-breitbart-white-nationalist-racist-anti-immigration-splc-1471279
That is defamatory. Stephen Miller is not, nor has ever been accused by anyone but anonymous Internet trolls, of treating anyone unfairly due to their race. He does not even use the racist and hurtful phrase "black and brown people". Who even talks like that? Wow. And that you would think "The Camp of the Saints" was anything BUT a morality lesson against racism means you have not read it. You likely think Uncle Tom's Cabin and Huckleberry Finn were racist novels, when the first of these was probably essential to rallying people to fight for freedom due to humanizing otherwise remote populations, and the second was a masterpiece of anti-racist literature by the foremost American liberal humanist of his and our own century. Let me guess, you write "N-word" because you think us Black folks are children who do not know the word you are really communicating. Shame on you.
That's why I ignored his comment to my original comment.
He doesn't use it but that's what he is always thinking about. I have never used the N-word in my life even though I grew up in the 1960s in VA and my schools were not integrated until 1968 when I was in 8th grade. Even NY Post acknowledged the racist emails which all the other right wing sites ignored. He got lots of material from American Renaissance (News and commentary on interracial crime, race differences, white advocacy, Third World immigration, anti-white racism, and white identity.) in his emails. You can read some of them at:
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails/
Precisely! Leftists oppose all boundary setting that supports justified self defense, whether it is women being raped by terrorists, parents of children being mutilated, or countries that want to remain civilized.
Yes!! EXCEPT when it happens, to THEM! And they realize their little liberal bubble won't protect them!
THEN, they're outraged! But then they keep voting for the same idiots for office ...🤔🤔
Yep! It's always different when it's them!
The left embraces illegals and criminals.
Deportations are GOOD.
I'm amazed few people discuss the elephant in the room. When you have mass illegals entering the country, there are also many children with them. These children go to public schools. Many times there has to be programs to teach them English. More students, more programs == more taxes and $ spent.
Whatever the cost of illegals you hear multiply it by 2 or more. If you think I'm full of it, I live in Massachusetts, I've been witnessing it for years.
I won't blame Biden 100%, but he opened the floodgates. IMO the damage is done and will take years to recover, if they.
Deport, deport, deport.
"These children go to public schools." Except when they work on marijuana farms.
That's the part they ignore too - the exploitation of children illegally doing dirty, dangerous farm labor or worse.
A GOP-led bill introduced in the House of Representatives in May would allow teenagers to work longer and later hours if signed into law by Trump.
Johnson's Teenagers Earning Everyday Necessary Skills (TEENS) Act would change the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to adjust federal requirements for child labor laws. It would allow states to create laws allowing 14- and 15-year-olds to work until 9 p.m. year-round. Currently, federal law prohibits them from working past 7 p.m. during the school year.
The bill would also increase the number of hours they can work during the school week from 18 to 24.
That's interesting. Many kids, including my grandchildren have soccer practice till 9 or 10 at night, and I think it's pretty late on school nights. I worked at 16 to till 11pm or later on the weekends at Taco Bell. I think it depends on the kid and how they're doing in other aspects of their lives. Up to the parents, evaluating their own kids.
Yeah, IMAGINE THAT! Letting the parents decide. Amazing...
Who would have ever thought, that the parents might know more than the government, pertaining to the raising of children?
P.S. Thank God we don't have Joe Biden's FBI labeling angry parents at a school board meeting, as "terrorists."
The business model of pollsters is to create confirmation bias for the the people who pay their bills. These subscribers are generally media outlets, think tanks, and foundations. Almost all of these are left-leaning.
They are not paid to be correct - they never suffer if they overstate democrat party support. The media moves on, and these pollsters still get quoted. Errors are memory-holed.
The vast majority of polling firm subscribers are in the business of moving the Progressive Football down the field. Polling firms serve a narrative-establishing function.
During elections, they are in the business of astroturfing democrat support and demoralizing republicans.
CNN's Enten was aghast just a couple of days ago because of the high support across the board for deportations. Support is rising among Hispanics and blacks. Gallup is the least reliable in a whole unreliable bunch. This policy is not unpopular and then dems defending the criminals that are being deported is hurting *them*.
FYI I know of not one of my Republican conservative circle opposing immigration. Legal immigration. None. We do want vetting of immigrants. Is that too much to want?
That's correct. NOT one Republican is against legal immigration. The media and the left always twist this with their "undocumented" descriptions and other BS
Trump's chief strategist, the white supremacist Stephen Miller, is known for his anit-immigration ideas and has said “America is for Americans and Americans only.”
Oh, here we go again ...
Any time the Left loses anything, it's because everyone is racists, white supremacists, misogynists, homophobes, Islamophobes, etc etc.
Come up with something new, Jesse Jackson!
You lost in 2024. Stop your whining. Trump is doing what he was elected to do. And, much to your dismay, he is actually FOLLOWING immigration law, which Biden broke! So, Stop denigrating people who agree with Trump, for following the law. It just shows your total lack of decency and class.
I agree. If you're here to make our country better, and in turn your own life better, that's good. Legal immigration is great. Illegal immigrate is not.
Ignant.
NWCitizen is just a shit-stirrer.
Did you read anything about Stephen Miller's racist emails to Breitbart editor Katie McHugh, who had a change of heart about being a white supremacist and released them? It is even mentioned in an "acceptable "source, NY Post.
https://nypost.com/2019/11/13/aoc-calls-on-stephen-miller-to-resign-over-leaked-emails/
"The emails show that he shared stories from white nationalist websites to Breitbart editors and recommended that the alt-right news organization do a story about “The Camp of the Saints,” a racist French novel by Jean Raspail that discusses white genocide."
You would of course get a lot more detail about what was in the emails if you dared to read a site like newsweek ( a news media source with an AllSides Media Bias Rating™ of Center; Newsweek's bias has shifted significantly in recent years, and was rated Left prior to 2020.)
https://www.newsweek.com/leaked-stephen-miller-emails-breitbart-white-nationalist-racist-anti-immigration-splc-1471279
You can also read the ACTUAL emails on SPLC.
He said/ she said.
But, literally, your whole argument is,
"TRUMP bad, because some guy on his administration said some bad things."
Trying to discredit ONE person, within a political movement, does not invalidate that movement, whether it is true, or not...
OMG! It is not "he said/ she said." The actual emails exist and you can read some at https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails/.
And Stephen Miller is not just any person in Trump's admin, he is the "CHIEF STRATEGIST" who determines Trump's policies.
Not differentiating immigration vs illegal immigration in the polls is somewhat disingenuous
It’s entirely disingenuous.
I was trying to be somewhat generous
I see what you did there.
Eh, gunna have to disagree with you. Statistics are fake and gay. They can be made to say anything you want them to.
Deportations are a net benefit, and I’m not sure why you’re trying to make the case that they are a negative.
Copy that. As Mark Twain once penned: There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
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The problem is that the left doesn't see themselves as the exploiters of illegal immigrant labor, but they are. It should be that if, as an employer, you have a job that no one will do for, say, $10 an hour you raise the wage until someone will do the job. The way it works is if you can't get a citizen to do it for $10 an hour you hire an illegal for $8. That's why every labor leader, including Cesar Chavez, was against illegal immigration. And don't get me started on the wealthy leftists who are like the clueless aristocrats in Downton Abbey with their cheaply paid maids and gardeners who have no clue about the difference between productive and unproductive employment.
I grew up in California and worked alongside a lot of illegals, and have nothing but respect for their work ethic. The problem isn't them, it's the people who hire and exploit their willingness to work cheaply and then try to treat that exploitation as a virtue (just like the English aristocrats).
Bottom line is you are not pro-worker if you are for illegal immigration.
Exactly - these leftists can't even hear how despicable their position is. They are supporting indentured servitude.
Color me surprised coming from the Democrats.
Trump has certainly used illegal immigrants in his businesses. People from Costa Rica and other countries said they and other family members and friends were employed by the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., and that their managers knew they were undocumented. Out of the 12 U.S.-based Trump golf courses, just 3 of them used the background check system E-Verify, which has been offered by the government since 2007. Trump himself has said making E-Verify mandatory for all employers is one of his immigration priorities.
Perhaps Fox should stop televising ICE protests and start televising the European cities invaded by illegals and the devastation in their cities. The fact that Ireland and England are now protesting to take back their countries is a too little too late sad reality. The immigrants and Muslims now control city govt and natives are declared thought criminals for wanting their culture back. America is next
Upcoming NYC mayor for example
And Texas. And Dearborn. And Minneapolis………..
That is the most important thing if you ask me. No one is asking me though. Show what happens when you let those people in, mostly Muslims, then refuse to hold them accountable for breaking your laws and raping your children. It is coming here. This needs to be all the headlines all the time.
Are people coming over the southern border Muslims?
As a matter of fact yes. Check the data. But most let in by The Cabbage.
Not buying this Gallup nonsense
Gallup is nonsense and very left leaning.
BTW, love your name.
There is an easy answer. Report the facts about illegal immigration. Take away FCC licenses from lying media outlets unless they do HARVEST OF SHAME DOCUMENTARIES IN PRIME TIME about illegal crime, violence, and destruction of American working-class prosperity. You could turn public opinion in favor of Trump in a week, IMHO.
EXACTLY! I’ve been going back-and-forth with someone on Substack who is not privy to ANY of the negative effects that you cited of illegal immigration. I’ve had to send him several of my articles that talk about these things. If the media were honest, they would show everything. I guess that’s why it’s up to independent media and us citizens to get the word out as best we can.🙌🏾
If the Media was HONEST, Trump's approval would be 60-65%...
Agree 100%!
Public opinion is with Trump.
This is a flawed analysis in a few ways:
1) the leftist media can't shape the narrative anymore. The Muller report was the straw that broke their backs. How do you know? Republicans have no fear of them anymore. Even cucks call them out
2) their dwindling audience numbers show it. Frankly, your mother is representative only of the looney left. That's the only audience they have left
3) Gallup is not a reputable pollster. Like Reuters, their polls are proven to be 10-15% skewed.
I don't know if the recent news has changed the mind of anyone who voted for Trump largely because of Biden's open borders. If the Democrats get back in, won't they just open the borders again? It was obvious that mass deportations were going to be ugly. Opening the borders again will be uglier.
Which is why there needs to be a deal in Congress to permanently seal the border. Because someday MAGA won’t control the WH.
Congress already passed laws about immigration and illegal immigration is ... well illegal. That didn't stop the Biden administration from ignoring the laws when it suited them.
Which is why the new ‘sealing’ of the border needs to have more teeth and sticks if not adhered to. Something financially painful if not followed. There needs to be an illegal immigration ‘tariff’ that future Executive branches cannot easily circumvent.
Or, we can continue to have both sides of the aisle continue to use illegal immigration as a partisan football. If that’s what you’d like then be happy and pleased with the last 50 years of US government immigration approach.
Good point!
I am worried MAGA is already losing much of what we were promised.
I agree. But I’m also of the opinion that you can’t always get what you want (but if you try sometimes….)
As it turns out, there really are people who cannot distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. Sasha's mother, Barbara Stone, is one of them. Presumably, they're the same people that cannot distinguish men from women. It's a form of mental illness and has nothing to do with human or civil rights. I don't know what to do about that other than enforce the law as it is written.
These useless polls that intentionally conflate legal with illegal immigration are simply dishonest and are intended to further confuse and dumb-down the people.
The first test to see if they are worthy of entering the country--and they will potentially be a plus for us, not a drag on us. Is, for them to have gone through the process to do it right. If they can't, or won't do that--we don't need them. That is the end of the first test.