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Damn the torpedoes's avatar

You’re right about the warmongers and their sex lives, Tucker! The ones least likely to understand the human toll of their war-endorsing decisions are always those most likely to not fight in them. Courteney Massengales when we need Sam Damons. I love your consistency when it comes to remembering who our leaders are sworn to represent--US citizens, first and foremost. They never seem to remember that as well as they remember where the $$$ flow from on their way to their offshore accounts!

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Steve's avatar

"I love your consistency when it comes to remembering who our leaders are sworn to represent--US citizens, first and foremost"

Makes a Great bumper sticker/slogan, but What does It Mean?

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Damn the torpedoes's avatar

It means simply place our country’s interest before that of any other. Take care of our 33 trillion dollar debt before sending billions to Ukraine and Iran...replenish our emergency oil reserves before using them to falsely and politically lower prices at the pump..use OUR energy sources before buying from Venezuela or Saudi Arabia or anywhere else. And close our borders, remove those who illegally entered who may wish to do us harm before buttressing anyone else’s borders. We are no longer the world’s policemen --especially when we can’t even support our police at home!

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Damn the torpedoes's avatar

When they come after our friends, we aid our friends. When they come after us, then we show them who the dominant power is...we don’t need to dominate the world to be its dominant power, if you can understand that. But in order to be that power, we need to build our defenses so they are there when we need them (not if) but Biden is stripping us of our $$, our military, our oil and energy, and our military armaments and supplies. That’s a recipe for disaster. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve has 17 days left in it-how did we let this happen? I can tell you one thing-I won’t be dancing in the desert without my gun.

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Steve's avatar

"We are no longer the world’s policemen."

Something it appears a lot of people don't understand. Someone/some nation IS going to be The Dominate power in the world. Since the end of WWI it has been The United States Of America. This has been a Good Thing, because in spite of the mistakes we have done as good a job of maintaining peace (This is The Most Peaceful Time in recorded history. see Gapminder), free trade, expansion of freedom. If not us...Who? The PRC? A wold whee they are dominate is a VERY different world...and not in a good way.

The last time we pulled back from the world was after WWI. That worked out real Well. Except of Europe leveled Japan leveled and 60,000,000(?) people dead.

I give you my 3 small simple questions

1. What Do You Want?

2. How Do You Get It?

3. Then What Happens?

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Steve's avatar

Does ANYONE read history?

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Steve's avatar

It appears you assume the choice is between "Endless War" (GOD I loath that phrase!) and some form of isolation. We can pick and choose. Israel important (with apologies to Donald Trump) They are after US, Israel is just in the way. , Ukraine, not so much.

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Elizabeth's avatar

I think Vivek is a bright candidate. He is able to coherently explain his ideas and seems informed on world affairs. He is enthusiastic, confident and has consistent ideas. This interview helped me picture him somewhere at the top. I think I could vote for him. I know he is running for President, but if he isn’t successful, hopefully he will be tapped for VP or a cabinet position.

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Ruth H's avatar

Lindsey Graham never sees a war he doesn’t support. SC needs to replace him🤬🤬

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Esther's avatar

No kidding

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Danimal28's avatar

Yeah, and that a$$hole is an Air Force 'officer' who has never heard a shot fired in anger. We have.

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Un-silent's avatar

Thank you Mr. Ramaswamy for mentioning the Christian Armenians being driven out of their town. I had only seen this story on Christian sites so far. He is right about the selective shock the media has.

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Matt L.'s avatar

Yes, I was pleased to see Vivek bring to light the Azerbaijani (Islamic) military offensive that started Sep 19th - which is displacing Armenian Christians living in land-locked Nagorno-Karabakh (region just north of Iran but south of Russia). Azerbaijan describes this as a ‘re-integration’ of the region. Armenians suggest its code for ‘ethnic cleansing’. What’s not in doubt is that NATO member Turkey (Erdogan) is Azerbaijan’s military sponsor

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Richard's avatar

Russia, who is the traditional protector of Armenia, stood down because of successful Western meddling in Armenia, leading to a government hostile to Russian interests.

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Matt L.'s avatar

Russia probably has no interest in aggravating Turkey at this time and could be why they don't care to lift finger for Armenia? For sure Russia has been a long-time protector of Armenia. At this moment in history, Russia wants/needs to continue exports of wheat, corn, barley and gas out via Black Sea ports and through the Dardanelles Strait. Not to mention, Russia is pretty pre-occupied in Ukraine.

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Un-silent's avatar

Yes, Armenian not Serbian, my mistake. I'm a bit tired . No doubt that Turkey is involved not to mention the globalists.

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David White's avatar

I find nothing to object to in what Ramaswamy says here.

As for the catastrophic failure of Israeli intelligence, I wrote a longish bit about that on the initial thread. To make a long story short, to me looks a lot more a lot more like a "SIG-INT" failure than a "HUM-INT" failure, just from the scale. That is to say that it looks like Hamas has been reading the Israeli codes. But they probably could not do that except by getting help from China, by way of Iran. If so, then the Chinese are reading our codes. Damn.

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Richard's avatar

We have to consider the possibility that Hamas is getting help from the US IC in the code breaking. We know that Israeli IC is the core of the anti-Netanyahu opposition in Israel and that the US IC has been working on a color revolution there. The two ICs are deeply intertwined so the US side would be ideally placed to compromise Israeli codes. I don't think the US IC visualized the scale of the Hamas attack but it wouldn't be the first or even the 100th time they have screwed the pooch.

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Damn the torpedoes's avatar

And if everything Biden says means the opposite, then saying “We stand with Israel “ means exactly the opposite, and the codes were breached.

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Richard's avatar

That is my assumption since *Biden was trying to overthrow the government of Israel before this.

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R H's avatar

No way in hell that Mossad, MI-6, CIA, DOD intel didn't see this coming. The bigger question is why did they allow it to happen? Who benefits from the Hamas attack on Israeli civilians? Think about it. Convince me that a bunch of goat herders on hang gliders and motorcycles outsmarted the best intelligence agencies in the world. Give me a break.

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Libertarian's avatar

I don’t get it. We have far greater deaths, and I mean hundreds of thousands of our young dying from violence and drugs, happening right here in our own country; and yet all sorts of people on Sasha’s last post acted like Hamas and Iran are a greater threat to America. What happened is evil and tragic and I hope it gets stopped with minimal loss of innocent lives on both sides. Who could push for wanting innocent peoples to be killed as part of the punishment? It’s always wrong to kill innocents.

The US Uniparty neocon warmongers don’t actually join the military and nor do their sons; they leave that to the mostly white and brown poor caste. We have hundreds of thousands of young men illegally crossing our border and we’re being invaded but now the focus is on an ancient blood feud half-way around the world? I wish the people that were so gung ho for sending our youth and treasure to the Ukraine and Israel would fly over there themselves and be the heroes that want the poor to be, instead of the cowards they are.

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Robin Landry's avatar

👏🏻👏🏻profound. Our own kids are dying and I know many who fit this description and many who join the military because they don’t have the options the politicians sons and daughters have.

Let the cowards fight their own fights and send their own precious children and then see how quickly there’s peace.

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JT's avatar

Ramaswamy's a prince...I listen to him and I know his heart is in the right place! I'll vote for him every chance I get! Unfortunately, I suspect he'll be opposed by every single one of the "insiders"...from corporate interests to defense interests to members of both sides of the "uni-party" to the media...all will oppose him, but of all of these, the soulless media will do the most damage because half of the country will only hear (and believe) what they say...and that, sadly, will sound the death knell for Ramaswamy's run.

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Danimal28's avatar

He is a private sector guy, the rest are not which is why Trump, Vivek, and Burgum are the only ones to consider. The rest are globalists.

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Satanist/Mason Albert Pike's 1871 letter to mason Giuseppe Mazzini:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other."

https://www.news24.com/news24/albert-pike-the-3-world-wars-20130628

Netanyahu called it a "Pearl Harbor moment", a false-flag to get the USA into WW2!

Netanyahu said this is 'their 9/11'. Just in case you still don’t know about the truth of the false flag psy-op 9/11 and the lies of the narrative, watch amazing short and more evidence here:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/911-2-planes-3-towers

False flag psy-op? Is this a directed event to escalate it into WW3, by a pre-emptive strike on Iran so that the Islamic countries would erase Israel from the face of the earth?

One of the objectives of the globalists, as proven by the Holocaust or the Pfizer-haccine-caust targeted to Israel… considering Netanyahu signed the exclusive deal with Pfizer to cull Israel through the injection of the bioweapon🤔

Rep Ritchie: “the largest single-day mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust.”

https://twitter.com/marcrod97/status/1711087115541397555

Wrong! The largest mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust, single-day or not, is definitely the Pfizer-caust !!! Millions killed or handicapped with myocarditis, clots, turbo cancer...

How is it possible that Israel intel didn’t see that coming?

• In spite of border and sea blockade, smuggling and moving thousands of missiles into launch position…

• Hundreds of paragliders...

• Hundreds of fighters without repeal...

• No warning to civilians about the wall and air breach...

“At least 300 Hamas terrorists breached the border fence in multiple places completely unimpeded… infiltrated a significant number of dryland outposts as well as a naval infiltration point in Zikim. As we speak, Israel is actively engaged in combat in n 22 outposts. This is from the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) statement.

A year ago there was a military operation in Gaza to prepare for such events, and ongoingly there are trainings for these kinds of scenarios. This raises serious questions about Israeli intelligence.

Two years ago there was a successful deployment of underground barriers in with sensors - to alert terrorists breaches. Israel has one of the most advanced and high tech armies, how come there was zero response to the border and fence breaching?

I served in the IDF, 25 years ago in the intelligence forces. There’s no way, in my view, that Israel did not know what’s coming. A cat moving alongside the fence is triggering all forces. So this?

What happened to the “strongest army in the world”? How come border crossings were wide open?? Something is VERY WRONG HERE.”

https://x.com/efenigson/status/1710716137044922585

“How did the iron dome fail in Israel and allow all those rockets through? How did so many Hamas soldiers get past the most militarized and protected border in the world to slaughter innocent civilians? Israel is incredibly advanced with some of the best military and surveillance technologies in the world.

Is there any chance this is like operation northwoods and the attack was orchestrated or allowed to justify an escalation of war? Could forces above both the US, Israel, and Palestine be manipulating them both for an agenda ahead of the elections?

There are levels and complexities to what's happening right now, and you all have to start thinking like they do with strategy and special interests in mind. You can't just immediately accept the narrative being spoonfed to you by governments, intelligence agencies, and MSM like it's the only objective truth that you accept without question.

Have none of you learned your lesson in the past few years with COVID?

THEY ALL LIE CONSTANTLY. All governments. All militaries. All news organizations. They all lie as a point of baseline policy and have worked in lockstep together throughout the entire pandemic psyop, but now that it involves war and conflict in Israel, we just forget all that and go back to believing them?”

I'm not falling for this charade again. I learned this lesson years ago investigating 9/11.”

https://twitter.com/Inversionism/status/1710752456437604445

Nothing condones killing innocent victims on either side. NOTHING! Yet, it's true that Israel denies a 2 state solution, backed by the vote of almost all nations in the world.

If you want peace you need to seek justice first.

Palestinians don't deserve Israeli occupation and slow-mo extermination. Don't get me wrong: nothing justifies terrorism.

Yet, we need to understand that severe injustice makes Palestinians claim that they are fighting for freedom not revenge! A 2 state solution would bring peace and leave Hamas without a narrative for terrorism! Why is Israel refusing peace? If Hamas doesn’t appear to be strong and very threatening, the Israeli government has a hard time keeping their support to oppress and kill Palestinians.

Please read:

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/10/07/msnbc-israel-caused-attacks-on-it-and-made-people-vote-for-hamas/

According to UN documents, Palestinians have a right under international law to armed struggle against Israeli colonialism, just as South Africans did against apartheid. Gaza suffers under an Israeli blockade that even a British PM admitted is a "prison camp".

https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1710963985200431117

Please pray for the innocent victims on either side and for the end of the global digi-tatorship:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed

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Danimal28's avatar

Israel and our 4th unelected branch of government DID see it coming and it is troubling they let it happen. There is NO way they didn't see this.

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Libertarian's avatar

Indeed. Pretty fucking embarrassing to spend tens of billions a year on defense and then have a “Pearl Harbor” from a few hundred amateurs on dirt bikes with AK-47s. What a waste of life and treasure. And now we’ll throw another $100 billion to “secure it”. Even Philly cops do better with well armed gangs.

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Libertarian's avatar

Thanks Danimal28; just read it. This guy sums it up. ;”Retired General Yaakov Amidror, a former national security adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, told reporters on Sunday the assault represented "a huge failure of the intelligence system and the military apparatus in the south."

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Vivek _still_ refuses to address the MASS MURDER BY INJECTION.

Everything else he says is great, but his complicity in the mass murder completely discredits him and makes me pretty sure that he is a plant by CIA or God only knows who else.

VIVEK, ADDRESS THE MASS MURDER!

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Matt L.'s avatar

Patrick, Vivek wants to appeal to more voters. In current climate, he’d be labeled a quack by MSM if he takes the position that Covid jabs were a mass killing mechanism. Your ask just ain’t gonna happen.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

RFK Jr is pretty clear about the vaxx, and I think he's got a real shot, so to speak.

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Matt L.'s avatar

I wouldn’t mind RFK Jr. being POTUS, the shake up would be greater than Trump in ‘16. But I think that is very (very) unlikely to pan out. Vivek is already talking about plenty of subjects that Nikki or even DeSantis are not. He’s already out on limb so to speak. If he spoke out on vaxx the branch might break on him, which would be a shame. What is going to be really fascinating to see, is who RFK Jr. & Trump select as VP running mates. Like Biden (if he actually runs & not removed at convention) all 3 POTUS nominees may not see end of their terms if elected in General, each for different reasons.

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Jim Lane's avatar

If RFK was elected and his policies resulted in everyone paying $7 a gallon for gas, what would that do to the economy? In my opinion low cost energy is the key to prosperity and security for everyone. I’m not sure he can make the transition from environmental zealot to an all of the above approach to complete energy independence. Instead of weapons the US should supply the world with energy and energy technology that’s available at extremely low cost.

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Danimal28's avatar

RFK Jr. is still an environmental 'terrorist', but has admitted in public that Trump - common sense - was right on the border.

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Robin Landry's avatar

Then he’s disingenuous. Either takes the slings and arrows from saying the truth, or you’re not worthy of the job because it’s all about absorbing the ‘hits’ for the people you represent.

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Robin Landry's avatar

You are absolutely 💯 right. And a maybe this whole new war is a distraction from the truth coming out. I am so disillusioned with the media that I now always look to see what they are trying to distract me from seeing.

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SD's avatar

Great talk. How could the most advanced military on the planet (which is Israel) have allowed this to happen is the most important question for Israel since they probably have a betrayal in their leadership that allowed this to happen (Netanyahu and probably a few other military leaders)

If they could stop missiles in the air, then how could they have allowed a bunch of Hamas soldiers to enter on foot? It doesn't make sense.

The European 2030 agenda communists are trying to start a war where ever they can with USA involvement. Ukraine didn't work so now they are trying Israel.

Israel needs to clean house to be safe so nobody allows a door to be open so some barbaric caveman enters. What Hamas did is absolutely disgusting!

Prayers for Israel to find the truth and clean house to be safe.

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Danimal28's avatar

Shall we do a partial re-cap of 2017-2021?

Ahem... Let's see... Donald Trump immediately in January 2017 unleashed American hydrocarbon energy development leading us to be energy independent and thereby completely neutering Russia, Iran, and North Korea leading to world stability by lowering the price of oil which is the principle tool of the worlds enemies.

That is what you get when you elect a person that has lived and worked in the private sector where there are consequences for your actions rather than a fake government backed world.

In Jan 2021 the installed occupant of the White House immediately rescinded all American hydrocarbon development and here we are with women being exploited in the ME and on our southern border.

World peace is what you will get re-electing Trump. Get busy. Like Sasha.

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Benjamin Holm's avatar

Interesting comment at the end there about how all the people he knows who regularly push for war, none of them have a normal sex life. Sex is obviously an easy way to control someone.

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Jim Lane's avatar

IMO, Tucker actually contemplating about others’ sex lives is disturbing. I found the comment that proceeded that more telling. “How soulless do you have to be to take cash to wreck your own country”.

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Benjamin Holm's avatar

Not really, most people do it all the time.

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Jim Lane's avatar

Really? “Most” people think about what Lyndsay Graham, Nikki Haley, Chris Christie, Victoria Nuland, Hillary Clinton do for sexual gratification?

Apparently, as usual, I’m in the minority. I admit to having a preoccupation with wondering what happens when we die and what is our purpose in life but what people do for sexual gratification is not among my thoughts. I’m broken. 🤷‍♂️

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Benjamin Holm's avatar

I mean when someone is having an affair that tends to get reported, if they said something inappropriate like Trump to Billie Bean, or Biden smelling young women, etc. Sexual behaviors are always noted if it's outside of the normal expectations.

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Robin Landry's avatar

💯. ‘Not all that walks in the guise of man is human’.

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Libertarian's avatar

Love that Vivek called out the Dems and RINO neocons. And that Tucker exposed Pence, Haley and Lindsay Graham for their cowardly warmongering. War with Iran?! They are fuckin nuts and Dr Strangeglove has nothing on them.

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Richard's avatar

I don't know how anyone argues about the concept that US policy ought to be based on US interests. Yet I know that people do. I see no US interest in supporting Ukraine or even in whacking Russia. I am more positive about helping Israel but beyond providing diplomatic support and munitions, the best thing we could do for Israel is get out of their way and warn our NATO "allies" to stay out of their way too. Israel is easily capable of destroying Hamas, if there were no outside interference but from 1948 on, the West has prevented Israel from settling things.

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Robin Landry's avatar

I wish I didn’t remember the Liberty, or had heard the rumors that Israel invented Hamas along with our CIA.

But I do agree that every country should be able to defend its borders.

Can we start with ours?

Maybe spend 2.8 billion on finishing the wall and making our police and border patrol as well-paid as the lobbyists for the weapons manufacturers?

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Libertarian's avatar

Completely agree with you, Richard.

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Bert Powers's avatar

Niki and Lindsay never served anyone but themself. They have never seen the horrors of war. Crenshaw has, and should know better, which makes him even worse.

There is more going on than what meets the eye. Clear the fog first and then, act accordingly.

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Stephen Flanagan's avatar

Once agai Tucker nails it. Vivek did a superb job by the way, he is not afraid to say what he thinks. Regarding Dr. Nikki Strangelove, we would all be glowing about two month after she took office. Carlson is dead on, none of her kids would be fighting in a war, nor Christie's or Lindsey's good pals.

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Libertarian's avatar

Exactly right, Stephan Flanagan. Neocon warmongers don’t go in the military and nor do their children. They’re cowards, traitors, evil, dangerous and hypocrites.

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