The Neocons have united the Shiite world against Israel. These same Neocons who have lost every war they've started over the last 30 years are willing to sacrifice Israeli's just like they've sacrificed 650,000 Ukrainian soldiers who have died. Blinkin and Nuland should be put on trial for treason.
Our current administration has completely fucked us in every way imaginable. From Covid to budget busting to draining our reserves to dumping weapons into Ukraine to opening the southern border and now heading into a world war with no one on our side. Even the lame shits in NATO won’t step into a Mideast clusterfuck with us. Unfortunately the election isn’t this November so we are stuck in this quagmire with the oligarchs of the WEF ready to institute global total control once the fallout subsides.
Resistance and rebellion on a 70’s scale is all that will stop this fuckery
What are the odd of that? Having been there at the time, I see nothing on the horizon, no sparks of rebellion like the late 60's and 70's when The People stopped the bloodletting in Vietnam. Not even a whisper of a rally or march or even a plan. The last we saw of anything close was in Canada.
I think if Trump doesn’t win 2024 then we will see 20%+ inflation and war with Iran because Biden and the Dems will need serious distraction from another stolen election and poverty in the middle class. Straight white men, the backbone of the military, are fed up with being discriminated against and will be ready to rebel or at least stop participating by 2025. We should give women full equality and include them in the draft and make combat units 50% female. Hypocritical not to. Pretty sure once the daughters start getting killed, war fever will wane.
What's with you people and these non-Reponses? I always thought the accusation that your kind had dialogue trees that you can't move from was figurative, but more and more I'm coming around to the opinion that it is true that you are quite literally programmed automatons.
Not exactly - the court would not allow a challenge to review the electoral vote of FOUR states; a challenge that was signed by our new House Majority leader Johnson. So, we will never know if the election was 'fair'.
Facts can be tough to swallow...these people are agreeing to anything to avoid imprisonment....but this was done..."the high court rejected the LEGAL EFFORT"
"In an effort to challenge President Joe Biden’s electoral victory, Johnson collected more than 100 House Republican signatures on an amicus brief in support of a Texas lawsuit that sought to overturn the election results in four key states: Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. The lawsuit asked the Supreme Court to delay the electoral votes in the four states until investigations into allegedly unconstitutional voting-rule changes could be made. The High Court ultimately rejected the legal effort."
They weren't able to just nuke people's bank accounts in the '70s and '60s either, and I'm not gonna lie about how much that worries me as a Canadian citizen. There are going to be people who think that they literally cannot afford to protest going forward. And while I would *like* to think that if Trudeau gets voted out that we'll see a reversal of this totalitarianism, I'm really not so sure. I'm also an American citizen who voted for Obama in 2008 because I thought that he would undo all of Bush's terrible policies...as we know, he did the opposite, and that was the last time I ever voted for a Democrat.
Col. MacGregor is so spot on. He called it regarding the failed U.S. proxy war in Ukraine and he is calling it again in Israel. These war sluts in the U.S. Senate and Congress that are beating their chests for America to go after Iran should be careful what they wish for, this would be diastrous for the American economy and could lead to far more horific circumstances. Why don't they suit up and be the first to lead the attack, yea right.
It’s not an ax to grind... It’s a contract to grind the ax they’re looking for, and always will. When you can send a 2 million dollar missile to destroy a $15.00 dollar outhouse... You have a problem. And these merchants of death have never seen a war they didn’t like... And that’s a problem, especially when you have an executive who’s absolutely the most corrupt in this nation’s history. Every bit of this mischief can be laid at Obummers feet. They hate America and we still have hostages in Afghanistan theater they’ve yet to recognize. They care for the current batch even less. We are being governed by Psychopaths... Could say Sociopaths but we passed that station back when the “Big Guy” was living in his basement taking showers with his granddaughter. This is a warped level of twisted sister most have never contemplated.
1) Something I left out of my most recent comments on the situation is that Israel and the US should *make the case* against the recent definition of "war crimes". The very broad definition of war crimes that is now "in fashion" has created a situation where effective war is (outside of deserts) practically impossible. We (defined as including the Brits) waged indirect war against civvies in WW One, and direct warfare against civvies in WW Two. (Likewise on both counts in the Civil War.)
2) I am sick of hearing about either rescuing or negotiating for hostages. The first approach is unrealistic, and the second incentivizes hostage-taking. The Israelis, many years ago, had the right idea about hostages: regard them as already dead. War requires nothing if not being tough-minded, and hand-wringing about hostages does qualify in that regard.
3) There are two things I worry about with regard to Iran. First, that they already have nukes. If they really are only months away from getting nukes, why would they start a knock-down drag-out war with Israel now, instead of waiting? Second, that they have gotten land-to-sea missiles from China. If so, our carrier groups will be about as useful as cavalry.
I think it would be best, given that Hamas obviously (one would think) cannot be "destroyed", for Israel to not go into Gaza, but rather to just keep knocking down buildings for a while (with propaganda-friendly advance notice), and just have done with it till next time. There is no need to do more.
Here’s one I saw today on RCP that everyone should read. I’m not one who favors a land invasion of Gaza to further level the place. Anyone who reads things like this would understand why Israel wants revenge but an invasion would be a meat grinder for Israeli troops and further inflame global opinion against Israel. They need to share information like this to maintain the moral high ground, then negotiate a peace and then cut off all ties to Gaza and let them fend for themselves. Then it will be up to the supporters of Hamas to take care of Gaza. No denying our fallen world is full of evil but it is our world and all we’ve got so we just have to do our best to survive in it.
From what I have seen and heard, I think it is time for the Israelis to just stop. It seems to me that there has been enough retaliation, enough to make Gazans hate Hamas. That is, as far as I can see, the only objective that can realistically be achieved.
Islam isn't just at war w US or them, but entire world. If you're not Muslim you're in war whether you like it or not. You can be peace activist & march w ‘Queers for Palestine’ banner but won’t matter. They'll kill you if they can. it’s a crusade to subjugate all of mankind. ~
US has not been at war with Iran since 1979. If it has, give a published reference to it. Also, if it has, I’m glad to see we haven’t had any fatalities in the last 50 years. Meanwhile, I am in Philly where we average 10 murders a week.
I Said Iran has been At War with America since 1979, NOT we have fought back.
Embassy takeover, Moving on to the1983 Beirut barracks bombing And lets Not forget 1996 Khobar Towers bombing. All those soldiers killed/wounded by IED's...Iran made them.
I'm just saying it is Waaayy past time to fight back.
"Meanwhile, I am in Philly where we average 10 murders a week."
And how is not fighting back against Iran going to solve that?
Speaking as a "warmongering neocon" I was an 81150 (Highly Qualified Aerospace Weapons System Security Technician).
Another way of putting warmongering neocon, is Realist. The sad thing is there are people who only understand one thing. I have have a stick, and if you don't play nice, I'll hit you with it..HARD. Libertarian's don't seem to Really understand this.
You think being from Philly and serving in the military and I don’t understand violence? Btw 81150 looks like some kind of civilian code and not a military job designation. If you are part of the military industrial complex (probably) then I get why you want war.
Martin Armstrong's private blog. You have to pay $15 per month to access it. He wrote today that Pakistan has made it clear that they will nuke Israel if the USA nukes Iran.
Sorry Says You. GWOT/Long War has been an obsession of mine for 20+years. Give me examples of where He's got it right, and others have got it wrong. He might be good, I don't know, never heard of him.
Elon Musk says we are are sleep walking into World War III and that doing so will kill and maim millions here and there. People better wake up before the neocons send your kids to die in the Middle East and Ukraine.
Plus this won’t be just a typical war where “poor kids get shot up.” This will be a truly global WW3 using nuclear, biological, cyber and other weapons against each other which will most likely bring down our entire global civilization and where will that leave humanity? I agree with Elon that the momentum for war has already taken on a life of its own and is out of our control. That’s why I believe only AI will be powerful enough to gain control of our many out of control problems taking us to the abyss. I just don’t see that humanity can save itself. Too many are too prone to various mind viruses like Nazism, Maoism and now Woke. This is unsustainable. This is simply not working at all.
“There are tragedies on an individual level, tragedies on a community level, and then there’s civilizational risk. We just need to make sure that we’re not putting civilization itself at stake, which is World War Three," Musk said.
"There is a strong argument that these things are actually unavoidable and the tides of history will sweep us in that direction whether we like it or not. But we should try to avoid that if at all possible."
"Do you want to kill hundred's of thousands of people?" This is a serious question asked flippantly by those who have done this and do not blink when discussing doing it again.
What about a real blockade of Gaza? After a a few weeks, anyone who wants to eat and free passage out to a neutral far away from Israel location can get it. They just have to show up unarmed and vetted for any ties to Hamas.
Your proposal is better than the current situation of bombing innocent Palestinian civilians but it is still unfair to force people to leave their homeland because of what a relatively few terrorists did. Plus, Israel has already killed over 5,000 innocent civilians there this month. Both sides are clearly terrorizing innocent civilians and should cease immediately.
“it is still unfair to force people to leave their homeland because of what a relatively few terrorists did.”
1. Gaza is NOT their (Palestinians) homeland. It was never their land at all, yet alone their “homeland”. Israel pulled out of that area almost 20 years ago in a misguided attempt at peace with the PLO. Before turning that strip of beachfront over to the so called “Palestinians”, Israelis had made it one of the most desirable and beautiful strips of land on earth. They (the "Palestinians") were given the Garden of Eden, and they have turned it into a living hellhole.
2. Food for thought: Would you have said the same about other historical minorities of terrorists like the Nazis, the Khmer Rouge, the Bolsheviks, the KKK in America, or the Chinese PLA?? Just to name a few? Can you imagine yourself a black person living in a neighborhood with KKK members who just routinely and randomly rape, murder, pillage and burn your communities to the ground? The so called "Palestinians" do not list any demands for peace with Israel and their Jewish neighbors. They just want to kill and destroy. They have literally said so and are proud of this. What is there to negotiate?
3. It is clear at this point after over half a century of trying that these people are haters and destroyers. Their children are innocent but what do you do? They teach their children at an early age to hate with every cell in their bodies. They openly call for the annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people. They hate the Jews and Israelis more than they love themselves and any attempt at life and progress as a people.
I don't know what the answers are, but "coexistence" has been tried and failed. Maybe they can be taken in by the nations that "claim" to support them; like Iran and Qatar?? I wonder what they (Iran and Qatar) would think of this idea? It may be telling. (My bet is it would be similar to what the people of Martha's Vineyard thought about actually taking in the thousands of illegal immigrants they claimed to have such affinity for)
4. Historically, what have modern forward thinking progressive civilizational Empires like Greece, Rome, Egypt, and yes, The USA, done about living with barbarians and savages and wild animals that live amongst them threatening their very existence? I believe they either wiped them out or gave them a choice to assimilate or die.
Do any of you think that just because it is 2023 that we are somehow above that?
Where ever Lindsey Graham pops up... War will follow shortly.
John McCain never met a war he didn't like, in a world where discretion is the better part of valor".
That is what happens when one becomes devoted to the MICIMATT complex.
Macgregor could find a war in his sock drawer. He sees war everywhere. The only thing he sees. Get him out of DC.
Scott Ritter is better in every way than Macgregor.
In a previous Tucker interview the sad sex lives of some war mongering politicians was discussed.
ditto Biden
The Neocons have united the Shiite world against Israel. These same Neocons who have lost every war they've started over the last 30 years are willing to sacrifice Israeli's just like they've sacrificed 650,000 Ukrainian soldiers who have died. Blinkin and Nuland should be put on trial for treason.
Barack 'palates-of-cash' Obama and Joe '$6 BILLION Iranian payout' Biden have done their fair to enable IRAN.
Our current administration has completely fucked us in every way imaginable. From Covid to budget busting to draining our reserves to dumping weapons into Ukraine to opening the southern border and now heading into a world war with no one on our side. Even the lame shits in NATO won’t step into a Mideast clusterfuck with us. Unfortunately the election isn’t this November so we are stuck in this quagmire with the oligarchs of the WEF ready to institute global total control once the fallout subsides.
Resistance and rebellion on a 70’s scale is all that will stop this fuckery
What are the odd of that? Having been there at the time, I see nothing on the horizon, no sparks of rebellion like the late 60's and 70's when The People stopped the bloodletting in Vietnam. Not even a whisper of a rally or march or even a plan. The last we saw of anything close was in Canada.
I think if Trump doesn’t win 2024 then we will see 20%+ inflation and war with Iran because Biden and the Dems will need serious distraction from another stolen election and poverty in the middle class. Straight white men, the backbone of the military, are fed up with being discriminated against and will be ready to rebel or at least stop participating by 2025. We should give women full equality and include them in the draft and make combat units 50% female. Hypocritical not to. Pretty sure once the daughters start getting killed, war fever will wane.
Courts do not establish matters of fact.
What's with you people and these non-Reponses? I always thought the accusation that your kind had dialogue trees that you can't move from was figurative, but more and more I'm coming around to the opinion that it is true that you are quite literally programmed automatons.
Not exactly - the court would not allow a challenge to review the electoral vote of FOUR states; a challenge that was signed by our new House Majority leader Johnson. So, we will never know if the election was 'fair'.
Facts can be tough to swallow...these people are agreeing to anything to avoid imprisonment....but this was done..."the high court rejected the LEGAL EFFORT"
"In an effort to challenge President Joe Biden’s electoral victory, Johnson collected more than 100 House Republican signatures on an amicus brief in support of a Texas lawsuit that sought to overturn the election results in four key states: Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. The lawsuit asked the Supreme Court to delay the electoral votes in the four states until investigations into allegedly unconstitutional voting-rule changes could be made. The High Court ultimately rejected the legal effort."
Perhaps we need another draft
Include women 18-22 at 50% of the draftees for equity, diversity and inclusion. That will put a quick stop to warmongering
They weren't able to just nuke people's bank accounts in the '70s and '60s either, and I'm not gonna lie about how much that worries me as a Canadian citizen. There are going to be people who think that they literally cannot afford to protest going forward. And while I would *like* to think that if Trudeau gets voted out that we'll see a reversal of this totalitarianism, I'm really not so sure. I'm also an American citizen who voted for Obama in 2008 because I thought that he would undo all of Bush's terrible policies...as we know, he did the opposite, and that was the last time I ever voted for a Democrat.
I did the same. The only thing I regret more than my vote for that sociopath is once upon a time, marrying one. ( all done with that btw:)
Col. MacGregor is so spot on. He called it regarding the failed U.S. proxy war in Ukraine and he is calling it again in Israel. These war sluts in the U.S. Senate and Congress that are beating their chests for America to go after Iran should be careful what they wish for, this would be diastrous for the American economy and could lead to far more horific circumstances. Why don't they suit up and be the first to lead the attack, yea right.
Exactly. MacGregor mentions that they have 'an axe to grind' against Russia but they're not suffering the consequences when they're wrong.
It’s not an ax to grind... It’s a contract to grind the ax they’re looking for, and always will. When you can send a 2 million dollar missile to destroy a $15.00 dollar outhouse... You have a problem. And these merchants of death have never seen a war they didn’t like... And that’s a problem, especially when you have an executive who’s absolutely the most corrupt in this nation’s history. Every bit of this mischief can be laid at Obummers feet. They hate America and we still have hostages in Afghanistan theater they’ve yet to recognize. They care for the current batch even less. We are being governed by Psychopaths... Could say Sociopaths but we passed that station back when the “Big Guy” was living in his basement taking showers with his granddaughter. This is a warped level of twisted sister most have never contemplated.
Well said. Agreed on all points.
Going to war with Iran is going to war with Russia and China, with which they share a mutual defense pact.
Three un-related points ...
1) Something I left out of my most recent comments on the situation is that Israel and the US should *make the case* against the recent definition of "war crimes". The very broad definition of war crimes that is now "in fashion" has created a situation where effective war is (outside of deserts) practically impossible. We (defined as including the Brits) waged indirect war against civvies in WW One, and direct warfare against civvies in WW Two. (Likewise on both counts in the Civil War.)
2) I am sick of hearing about either rescuing or negotiating for hostages. The first approach is unrealistic, and the second incentivizes hostage-taking. The Israelis, many years ago, had the right idea about hostages: regard them as already dead. War requires nothing if not being tough-minded, and hand-wringing about hostages does qualify in that regard.
3) There are two things I worry about with regard to Iran. First, that they already have nukes. If they really are only months away from getting nukes, why would they start a knock-down drag-out war with Israel now, instead of waiting? Second, that they have gotten land-to-sea missiles from China. If so, our carrier groups will be about as useful as cavalry.
I think it would be best, given that Hamas obviously (one would think) cannot be "destroyed", for Israel to not go into Gaza, but rather to just keep knocking down buildings for a while (with propaganda-friendly advance notice), and just have done with it till next time. There is no need to do more.
Take a look a bit south at Yemen. Not a peep on the genocide driven by US $ and equipment.
Here’s one I saw today on RCP that everyone should read. I’m not one who favors a land invasion of Gaza to further level the place. Anyone who reads things like this would understand why Israel wants revenge but an invasion would be a meat grinder for Israeli troops and further inflame global opinion against Israel. They need to share information like this to maintain the moral high ground, then negotiate a peace and then cut off all ties to Gaza and let them fend for themselves. Then it will be up to the supporters of Hamas to take care of Gaza. No denying our fallen world is full of evil but it is our world and all we’ve got so we just have to do our best to survive in it.
“Record of Pure, Predatory Sadism.”
Real Clear Politics. The Atlantic. Oct 24, 2023
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-israeli-officials-screened-footage-of-the-hamas-attack/ar-AA1iHMNq?ocid=socialshare
From what I have seen and heard, I think it is time for the Israelis to just stop. It seems to me that there has been enough retaliation, enough to make Gazans hate Hamas. That is, as far as I can see, the only objective that can realistically be achieved.
Islam isn't just at war w US or them, but entire world. If you're not Muslim you're in war whether you like it or not. You can be peace activist & march w ‘Queers for Palestine’ banner but won’t matter. They'll kill you if they can. it’s a crusade to subjugate all of mankind. ~
https://www.danielgreenfield.org/2023/10/its-islam-stupid.html
NEWS FLASH! Iran has been At War with America since 1979. Ya think after 44 years it Might be time to Strike Back?
Seriously. Cut the head off the snake, but we no longer have leadership in the US. I think this is Obama's final solution.
my suspicions also...
US has not been at war with Iran since 1979. If it has, give a published reference to it. Also, if it has, I’m glad to see we haven’t had any fatalities in the last 50 years. Meanwhile, I am in Philly where we average 10 murders a week.
I Said Iran has been At War with America since 1979, NOT we have fought back.
Embassy takeover, Moving on to the1983 Beirut barracks bombing And lets Not forget 1996 Khobar Towers bombing. All those soldiers killed/wounded by IED's...Iran made them.
I'm just saying it is Waaayy past time to fight back.
"Meanwhile, I am in Philly where we average 10 murders a week."
And how is not fighting back against Iran going to solve that?
Apples & Oranges.
4 of my brothers and I already served in the military while the warmongering neocons and their kids stayed safely home.
Speaking as a "warmongering neocon" I was an 81150 (Highly Qualified Aerospace Weapons System Security Technician).
Another way of putting warmongering neocon, is Realist. The sad thing is there are people who only understand one thing. I have have a stick, and if you don't play nice, I'll hit you with it..HARD. Libertarian's don't seem to Really understand this.
You think being from Philly and serving in the military and I don’t understand violence? Btw 81150 looks like some kind of civilian code and not a military job designation. If you are part of the military industrial complex (probably) then I get why you want war.
"Btw 81150 looks like some kind of civilian code and not a military job designation."
Could not be more wrong. AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code)
The problem is that Pakistan says they are prepared to use their nukes if the USA escalates the war.
Source?
Martin Armstrong's private blog. You have to pay $15 per month to access it. He wrote today that Pakistan has made it clear that they will nuke Israel if the USA nukes Iran.
“He wrote today that Pakistan has made it clear that they will nuke Israel if the USA nukes Iran.”
Who is talking about nuking Iran?? W...T...(actual)...F ???
that's how to start a rumor that someone will no doubt be happy to run with...NYT, perhaps ?
Neocons live for war. It's their reason for being. They're the reason the world is in the mess that we are in.
But no one has mentioned doing that, have they? Maybe Israel might if they feel their very existence is threatened I guess.
Also, Pakistan has a very small capability. It would be national suicide for them to do such a thing.
And his Source?
He doesn't reveal his sources. His predictions based on conversations with his sources have been very accurate.
"his sources have been very accurate."
Sorry Says You. GWOT/Long War has been an obsession of mine for 20+years. Give me examples of where He's got it right, and others have got it wrong. He might be good, I don't know, never heard of him.
Once 1953
"Technically true" you mean TRUE?
"we apparently supported the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini."
Who is this WE you speak of? I remember this time, And the Only people who supported him was The Hard (Progressive) Left.
Cite Source!
Elon Musk says we are are sleep walking into World War III and that doing so will kill and maim millions here and there. People better wake up before the neocons send your kids to die in the Middle East and Ukraine.
Plus this won’t be just a typical war where “poor kids get shot up.” This will be a truly global WW3 using nuclear, biological, cyber and other weapons against each other which will most likely bring down our entire global civilization and where will that leave humanity? I agree with Elon that the momentum for war has already taken on a life of its own and is out of our control. That’s why I believe only AI will be powerful enough to gain control of our many out of control problems taking us to the abyss. I just don’t see that humanity can save itself. Too many are too prone to various mind viruses like Nazism, Maoism and now Woke. This is unsustainable. This is simply not working at all.
“There are tragedies on an individual level, tragedies on a community level, and then there’s civilizational risk. We just need to make sure that we’re not putting civilization itself at stake, which is World War Three," Musk said.
"There is a strong argument that these things are actually unavoidable and the tides of history will sweep us in that direction whether we like it or not. But we should try to avoid that if at all possible."
"Do you want to kill hundred's of thousands of people?" This is a serious question asked flippantly by those who have done this and do not blink when discussing doing it again.
To which the neocons respond “sure we need to kill hundreds of thousands or even millions if it makes us and Israel even a tiny bit safer”.
Seems obamas shia pets have come back to bite him in the ass.
Thank you Sasha
What about a real blockade of Gaza? After a a few weeks, anyone who wants to eat and free passage out to a neutral far away from Israel location can get it. They just have to show up unarmed and vetted for any ties to Hamas.
Your proposal is better than the current situation of bombing innocent Palestinian civilians but it is still unfair to force people to leave their homeland because of what a relatively few terrorists did. Plus, Israel has already killed over 5,000 innocent civilians there this month. Both sides are clearly terrorizing innocent civilians and should cease immediately.
“it is still unfair to force people to leave their homeland because of what a relatively few terrorists did.”
1. Gaza is NOT their (Palestinians) homeland. It was never their land at all, yet alone their “homeland”. Israel pulled out of that area almost 20 years ago in a misguided attempt at peace with the PLO. Before turning that strip of beachfront over to the so called “Palestinians”, Israelis had made it one of the most desirable and beautiful strips of land on earth. They (the "Palestinians") were given the Garden of Eden, and they have turned it into a living hellhole.
2. Food for thought: Would you have said the same about other historical minorities of terrorists like the Nazis, the Khmer Rouge, the Bolsheviks, the KKK in America, or the Chinese PLA?? Just to name a few? Can you imagine yourself a black person living in a neighborhood with KKK members who just routinely and randomly rape, murder, pillage and burn your communities to the ground? The so called "Palestinians" do not list any demands for peace with Israel and their Jewish neighbors. They just want to kill and destroy. They have literally said so and are proud of this. What is there to negotiate?
3. It is clear at this point after over half a century of trying that these people are haters and destroyers. Their children are innocent but what do you do? They teach their children at an early age to hate with every cell in their bodies. They openly call for the annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people. They hate the Jews and Israelis more than they love themselves and any attempt at life and progress as a people.
I don't know what the answers are, but "coexistence" has been tried and failed. Maybe they can be taken in by the nations that "claim" to support them; like Iran and Qatar?? I wonder what they (Iran and Qatar) would think of this idea? It may be telling. (My bet is it would be similar to what the people of Martha's Vineyard thought about actually taking in the thousands of illegal immigrants they claimed to have such affinity for)
4. Historically, what have modern forward thinking progressive civilizational Empires like Greece, Rome, Egypt, and yes, The USA, done about living with barbarians and savages and wild animals that live amongst them threatening their very existence? I believe they either wiped them out or gave them a choice to assimilate or die.
Do any of you think that just because it is 2023 that we are somehow above that?
Common sense not so common. Good discussion.