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ChrisC's avatar

This is a screw up and someone should be held to account. But on a scale of 1-100 of National Security screw ups, with the Afghanistan withdrawal being a 95, this is about a 5.

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R H's avatar

Whoever added that guy to the chat should be fired. I doubt if it was Walz. I'd guess another never Trumper fighting the good fight from within. It's going to be hard to kill all the weeds in the garden.

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Matt L.'s avatar

Was pretty funny to watch the outrage machine do its thing. Especially the networks trotting out John Bolton to rake Trump over the coals. He must have woken up, saw the news, rubbed his hands together and said ‘it’s payday for Bad Santa!’ The D’s are so dead right now. Does the Atlantic have the Houthi's on speed dial or something? Maybe Khalif was doing an internship there 🤷

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Dunboy2020's avatar

Right. I'm not exactly nervous about our national defense because of it. Technical skills of some staff folks maybe...

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Bob's avatar
Mar 25Edited

I don't even see it as a screw up. For one thing, it exposed a few rats. Goldberg certainly just lost all of his saner inside contacts and leakers. Instead of using or slow-leaking inside info to build a reputation as the 'go to' journalist, he cashed it in for a "gotcha" moment AND scared off future potential pipelines.

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ChrisC's avatar

Right, maybe it is 3D chess with Vance saying, "I'm tired of these pathetic Euros freeloading off of us". Oops, you weren't suppose to hear that.

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Steve's avatar

This one is so weird. We'll have to see if the mistake explanation holds, and maybe it does. I don't use that system, so I don't know how easy it is to see who's active online. I would think someone would have been keeping a record. Susie knows everyone. If she saw the list, she would have caught that. If they wanted something from Jeffrey, they've probably already got it. He supposedly was in a public area probably making a few phone calls while he waited. Was there a car a few spaces away scanning numbers?

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Cat C.'s avatar

Well, the Biden admin. previously had Signal on all their computers and phones and it was the first thing that popped up to be downloaded when Trump's admin. came in. I see a possible "set up" here, to get a talking point for the Dems. If Dems get the House in 2 years, they just might impeach everyone on the call. It's all optics, headlines, talking points and slogans for Dems.

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Brian M's avatar

The report is it was Mike Waltz who included Jeffrey Goldberg in the Chat for some unknown reason. I am sure he will be dressed down by Trump and his peers. We probably will never find out why Goldberg was included

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AJoy's avatar

Oh can’t agree more! And where was the outrange on the Left of that horrific withdrawal????

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Nonurbiz Ness's avatar

First, I expect everyone in the Trump administration is checking to see if Goldberg is on there contact list, if so deleting him. His pool of contacts for Trump inside info just dried up. Second, I would subpoena Goldberg's phone to see who he has been in contact with and sit him down to get on the record info, "did he pay someone" to get inside info.

There should also be an investigation of all staffers that knew of the "group chat " and had access to the list of people on the chat. I believe there was less than 20 individuals on the chat. Seems by process of elimination we can find "how it happened"

Lastly, it seems the Democrats have forgotten the "Security " lapses between 2016 and 2020. From Michael Flynn to Russia Gate Hoaxes, the leaks flowed freely to the press to take down Trump.

If you are in doubt look up John Durham investigation's report.

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Cat C.'s avatar

Yes, John Durham's report shows how cut-throat, underhanded, unconstitutional, unethical and at times, illegal Dems were to "get Trump". Too bad everyone was fatigued with "Russia! Russia!" so they didn't pay attention to his report. Also, he foolishly didn't indict more people. He said it was because biased D.C. juries would (wrongly) let them off the hook (and they did, with the two indictments Durham did do).

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Cranky Frankie's avatar

Nobody seems to be thinking about the possibility that Goldberg's inclusion was deliberate. If he'd acted on the information it might have saved the lives of some Houthi innocents, allowing for a scrambling evac. The targets were mostly stationary - munitions dumps and rocket launch platforms - so what good would a couple of hours warning be?

And THE ATLANTIC? Nobody had the number of a Mother Jones reporter to loop in?

One thing the reveal has done is to bump up coverage of the Houthi/Yemen stuff and allow for the reveal that the US only has 4% of our shipping passing through the Suez while Europe has 40% of theirs.

"Bailing out Europe again..." was the quote that I've seen most.

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Ruth H's avatar

I had the same thought (maybe not a mistake) and a ‘test.’

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Ol’ Country Gal's avatar

Maybe we’ll only know if it was on purpose if Mike Waltz is fired or not🤷🏼‍♀️

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Brian M's avatar

I guess that is possible that this was a trap set by the Trump defense team with people who have done intel work on it. From what I have heard, the chat group was very small, just the inner circle of the Trump defense team. But maybe they suspected a mole in that group (someone in the Pentagon?) and needed to positively confirm it. This leak would do it. And just 2 hours before the strike, would not have any significant impact on the mission, even if Goldberg had acted on it. What Pentagon General has been fired in the last couple of days? Or was it Mike Walz himself (Walz has been attributed to have added Goldberg) who is the mole? We will soon find out.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

It was apparently a Mike Waltz staffer who added Goldberg's name.

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David White's avatar

Staffers should not have the ability to do that. Like duh.

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Bob's avatar

So you are asserting that managers should not be authorized to delegate tasks to subordinates? Would there, for each employee, have both a supervisor AND an interpreter of the tome that bestows the approval authority that the supervisor does not have.

Paradox. Paradox, I say.

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David White's avatar

The Russian Roulette Principle applies: sometimes the consequences are more important than the chances.

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Bob's avatar

His staffer - or his lover?

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Lizzie's avatar

The US claims to promote free passage on the open seas. As a power dependent on imports, that makes eminent sense. In addition, to support the claim as a universal principle in the Pacific against China, it has to be enforced everywhere. A further addition, it supports both Israel AND the Saudis, who were not happy with the previous administration. I believe that I read that the Saudis are increasing oil production, which should help bring down oil prices, which helps both inflation and the Ukrainian peace process by reducing Russian oil revenue. Trump's policies on drilling and refining and transport facilities will take a little time to have an effect on supply, even if the effect on jobs is more visible sooner. The policy is a winner on all Trumpian fronts.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

My thoughts exactly! It was on purpose.

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Ol’ Country Gal's avatar

Mine too!

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Great minds......... LOL

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William Isom's avatar

I cannot believe it was on purpose. The price to pay is the perception that the administration had no idea that classified communications were so loosely monitored. It makes them look like Keystone cops, and that is a hefty price to pay for what? For giving advanced awareness of US military operations, potentially placing military lives at risk? On the off chance that a publication hostile to the administration would go public with the information. Imagine the howl if Jeff Goldburg had released the information before the strike!

Having the Atlantic on the message channel was careless and inept. Trying to play the Atlantic by deliberately including them on the message board would be far worse.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Trump and his team have learned the Art of The Troll at a very high level. I don't discount anything anymore.

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William Isom's avatar

If this was trolling, it wasn't Art.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

It was a play on the art of the deal, nothing more.

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Bob's avatar

How so notly?

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BubblePuppy7's avatar

It’s an Op.

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Karen Lynch's avatar

I totally believe the addition was deliberate. This is an intentional dirty trick, either by a mole or someone or a hacker.

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NWCitizen's avatar

Well, it would certainly stupid thing to do "deliberately" since it shows Trump's picks don't know how to handle national security.

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Bob's avatar

Pretty much a first thought of most folks (all who have grasped Trump's trolling prowess) outside of those who are actually PAID to share their learned insights. Methinks perchance they are now being paid to NOT share.

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Eric Gordon's avatar

LOL 😂 So let me get this straight: A Trump hating “journalist” for some leftwing rag is “accidentally” included on a group chat with the VPOTUS and other national security advisors and military leaders.. and they don’t say anything bad or illegal, just plan an attack, a single bombing raid to free up shipping lanes for Europe because Europe can not even coordinate a simple small defense of a vital (to them) shipping lane; yet alone mount a WWlll inducing defense of Western Europe assault on Russia in defense of Ukraine…which they have been threatening to do.

The reporter that overhears this “by accident” immediately reports this faux pas to the world 😊

And the take away from all this; is that the Trump administration is incompetent and does not know how to communicate its geopolitical message in secret…

Did I get all that right??? 😂😂😂

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Sun Love Pax's avatar

I tend to think Trump world ran a scam on these people, considering how People in Trump’s orbit have been behaving about leaks and disclosures since Trump got the nomination.

His chief of staff doesn’t have time for fools and games. She also shut Vivek down after his post-Christmas rant about lazy Americans.

It makes no sense that they’d openly discuss plans like this with a writer from the Atlantic, who they know isn’t a friendly. It screams out to people who’ve been paying attention ’scam’.

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Eric Gordon's avatar

I am just guessing but I don't think it is a scam. More like a carefully orchestrated and choreographed communication for some reason. Think about "How do we tell Russia to take our threats of military action seriously BUT do not take EU/NATO threats of military action seriously" without directly and publicly saying "We are serious but do not take EU/NATO threats of military action seriously"??

It is possible that it it was just as it seems, a careless coincidental mistake...

One thing I learned growing up around the D.C. metro area is that there are few actual "coincidences" and that almost everything is done for a reason. Everybody lies. Its what they lie about that makes the game interesting.

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Sun Love Pax's avatar

The MSM loves the ‘Trump is dumb’ narrative and that just got used against them. Brilliant.

It was definitely a setup. The more I think about it, the stronger that conclusion seems to be.

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Eric Gordon's avatar

We’ve all heard of an “honest mistake“. This was an example of a “dishonest mistake. “

Question here is who was being dishonest?

1. The Trump administration faking a text conversation to release information they wanted to get to someone?

2. Or the Democrats putting Jeffrey Goldberg on that text chain so that they could embarrass?

Either would be considered a dishonest mistake 😂

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Bob's avatar
Mar 25Edited

Only The Shadow knows.

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Art's avatar

It would be a great way to amplify a press release. “Oh look, that crazy Trump guy is going to stop terrorists from shooting missiles at our Navy and commercial ships”. Watching clown world set to dancing on command is great entertainment.

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NWCitizen's avatar

yes, you conclusion is correct.

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Tomas Pajaros's avatar

thank you for much needed perspective; especially the disloyalty shown by the Atlantic and the obvious disparity between Biden/coverups vs. Trump trumpets.

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We can only guess how many minor faux-pas of this nature the media overlooked with Obama, Clinton, Biden etc.

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Trumpers must learn to have ZERO trust with media. And when they fail, there must be accountability. Because the Democrats would never show accountability.

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Deidre K's avatar

How about the guy Who hired Iranian spies and gave them the highest security clearances? Then they refused to fire or arrest her as she publicly taunted her allegiance to Iran as she continued to be paid?

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Colonel X's avatar

The Atlantic is a major endeavor, written, designed and published for one woman - Laurene Powell Jobs. It is multi million dollar effort to both assuage and enable her Trump Derangement Syndrome. It also seems this "oops" may have been purposeful. No better asshole to play it to than Jeffrey Goldberg.

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Richard's avatar

Don't forget the prominence of another woman-Anne Applebaum-aka the wife of the Polish Foreign Minister. Why do we not regard Poland as a hostile power?

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Bagehot's avatar

Remember when Joe Biden said publicly that the United States probably wouldn’t take any action if Russia made a minor incursion into Ukraine? That was far more consequential than this chat episode.

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Pixie Prissy's avatar

“But to me, so far, the story has all the hallmarks of a classic Trump rope-a-dope, his trademarked strategic chaos. There’s the patented Trumpian appearance of minor conflict — a controlled fire — necessary to garner widespread media coverage, and packed with on-brand details helpfully advancing Trump’s agenda of pushing back against the pesky Europeans.” Jeff Childers, coffee & covid Substack

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Jim I's avatar

The hatred the Left has had against Trump now for 9-years is inexplicable.

At this point there nothing else to call it but pathological.

It’s not just this most recent “war plans” issue. It’s something new every day.

They must need to keep the big money coastal contributors agitated?

It is also their support of even more war in Ukraine, their antisemitism, the Dem cities literally giving shelter to foreign criminals, the secret gender chit-chats with 3rd graders, their demand for higher taxes, more outright fraudulent spending by every U.S. agency there is, their destruction of personal property, even men harming girls in sporting events.

When in power, while importing millions of illegals, they even tried to pass a National No-ID Voting Law.

There has not been a more destructive force in our country since the democrats continued their support of slavery after our Civil War.

Does anyone now believe today’s Left would not gladly trade the well-being of our citizens, our children and the future of our country, in exchange for their destruction of this Trump?

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𝖳𝗁𝖾 𝖳𝖣𝖲 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗁𝖺𝗌 𝖻𝖾𝖾𝗇 𝗌𝗁𝗈𝗐𝗇 𝖺𝗀𝖺𝗂𝗇𝗌𝗍 𝖳𝗋𝗎𝗆𝗉 𝗌𝗂𝗇𝖼𝖾 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗋𝗂𝖽𝖾 𝖽𝗈𝗐𝗇 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝖾𝗌𝖼𝖺𝗅𝖺𝗍𝗈𝗋 𝗁𝖺𝗌 𝖻𝖾𝖾𝗇, 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗅𝖺𝖼𝗄 𝗈𝖿 𝗐𝗈𝗋𝖽𝗌, 𝖻𝗋𝖾𝖺𝗍𝗁𝗍𝖺𝗄𝗂𝗇𝗀! 𝖠𝗇𝖽 𝗈𝗇𝖾 𝖼𝖺𝗇 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝗆𝗎𝖼𝗁 𝖽𝗂𝖿𝖿𝗂𝖼𝗎𝗅𝗍𝗒, 𝖼𝗈𝗆𝖾 𝗎𝗉 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁 𝖺 𝗐𝗁𝗈𝗅𝖾 𝖳𝗁𝖾𝗌𝖺𝗎𝗋𝗎𝗌 𝗈𝖿 𝗐𝗈𝗋𝖽𝗌 𝗍𝗈 𝗀𝗈 𝖺𝗅𝗈𝗇𝗀 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁 𝗂𝗍! 𝖡𝗎𝗍 𝖿𝗋𝖺𝗇𝗄𝗅𝗒, 𝗂𝗇 𝗆𝗒 𝗆𝗂𝗇𝖽 𝗂𝗍 𝖽𝗈𝖾𝗌𝗇’𝗍 𝗍𝖺𝗄𝖾 𝖺 𝗀𝖾𝗇𝗂𝗎𝗌 (𝗐𝗁𝗂𝖼𝗁 𝖨 𝖼𝖾𝗋𝗍𝖺𝗂𝗇𝗅𝗒 𝖺𝗆 𝗇𝗈𝗍, 𝗇𝗈𝗋 𝖽𝗈 𝖨 𝖼𝗅𝖺𝗂𝗆 𝗍𝗈 𝖻𝖾). 𝖡𝗎𝗍, 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗋𝖺𝗂𝗌𝖾𝖽 𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗅𝖽𝗋𝖾𝗇, 𝗁𝖺𝗉𝗉𝗂𝗅𝗒 𝖻𝖾𝖾𝗇 𝖢𝗎𝖻 𝖲𝖼𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝖽𝖾𝗇 𝗅𝖾𝖺𝖽𝖾𝗋, 𝖡𝗅𝗎𝖾 𝖡𝗂𝗋𝖽 𝗅𝖾𝖺𝖽𝖾𝗋 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗉𝖾𝖽𝗂𝖺𝗍𝗋𝗂𝖼 𝗇𝗎𝗋𝗌𝖾 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗒𝖾𝖺𝗋𝗌 (𝗃𝗎𝗌𝗍 𝗀𝗂𝗏𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗆𝗒 𝗊𝗎𝖺𝗅𝗂𝖿𝗂𝖼𝖺𝗍𝗂𝗈𝗇𝗌 𝖺𝗌 𝗍𝗈 𝖽𝖾𝗍𝖾𝗋𝗆𝗂𝗇𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗁𝗈𝗐 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗂𝗋 ’𝖾𝗏𝗂𝗅 𝗅𝗂𝗍𝗍𝗅𝖾 𝗆𝗂𝗇𝖽𝗌’) 𝗐𝗈𝗋𝗄....𝗂𝗍 𝗂𝗌 𝗊𝗎𝗂𝗍𝖾 𝖾𝖺𝗌𝗒 𝗍𝗈 𝖿𝗂𝗀𝗎𝗋𝖾 𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝗐𝗁𝗒 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝖣𝖾𝗆𝗌 (𝗍𝗁𝗎𝗌 𝖨 𝖺𝗆 𝗌𝖺𝗒𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝖠𝖫𝖫 𝖽𝖾𝗆𝗌 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝖻𝖺𝗋𝖾𝗅𝗒 𝖺𝖻𝗈𝗏𝖾 𝖺 𝖪𝗂𝗇𝖽𝖾𝗋𝗀𝖺𝗋𝖽𝖾𝗇 𝗅𝖾𝗏𝖾𝗅 𝗈𝖿 𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗇𝗄𝗂𝗇𝗀, 𝗋𝖾𝖺𝗌𝗈𝗇𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖺𝖻𝗈𝗏𝖾 𝖺𝗅𝗅 𝖥𝖴𝖭𝖢𝖳𝖨𝖮𝖭𝖨𝖭𝖦) 𝗂𝗇 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗐𝗈𝗋𝗅𝖽 𝗍𝗈𝖽𝖺𝗒. 𝖳𝗁𝖾𝗒 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗏𝖾𝗋𝗒 𝖿𝖺𝗆𝗂𝗅𝗂𝖺𝗋 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁 𝖣𝗈𝗇𝖺𝗅𝖽 𝖳𝗋𝗎𝗆𝗉, 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗏𝖾𝗋𝗒 𝗐𝖾𝗅𝗅 𝖺𝗐𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗈𝖿 𝗁𝗂𝗌 𝗍𝖺𝗅𝖾𝗇𝗍𝗌, 𝖼𝖺𝗉𝖺𝖻𝗂𝗅𝗂𝗍𝗂𝖾𝗌 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖺𝖼𝖼𝗈𝗆𝗉𝗅𝗂𝗌𝗁𝗆𝖾𝗇𝗍𝗌. 𝖳𝗁𝖾𝗒 𝗄𝗇𝗈𝗐 𝗐𝗁𝖾𝗇 𝗁𝖾 𝗌𝖾𝗍𝗌 𝗁𝗂𝗌 𝗆𝗂𝗇𝖽 𝗍𝗈 𝗀𝖾𝗍 𝗌𝗈𝗆𝖾𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝖽𝗈𝗇𝖾, 𝖨𝖳 𝖦𝖤𝖳𝖲 𝖣𝖮𝖭𝖤. 𝖧𝖾 𝗁𝖺𝗌 𝗌𝖺𝗂𝖽 𝗌𝗂𝗇𝖼𝖾 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝖺𝖿𝗈𝗋𝖾 𝗆𝖾𝗇𝗍𝗂𝗈𝗇𝖾𝖽 𝖾𝗌𝖼𝖺𝗅𝖺𝗍𝗈𝗋 𝗋𝗂𝖽𝖾 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗁𝖾 𝗂𝗇𝗍𝖾𝗇𝖽𝖾𝖽 𝗍𝗈 𝖼𝗅𝖾𝖺𝗇 𝗎𝗉 𝖶𝖺𝗌𝗁𝗂𝗇𝗀𝗍𝗈𝗇 𝖣.𝖢. 𝖳𝗁𝖾 𝖽𝖾𝗆𝗌 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗏𝖾𝗋𝗒 𝗐𝖾𝗅𝗅 𝖺𝗐𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗈𝖿 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝖽𝗂𝗌𝗀𝗎𝗌𝗍𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗉𝗂𝗍 𝗈𝖿 𝖲𝖧$𝖳 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝖾 𝖻𝗎𝗂𝗅𝗍 𝗂𝗇 𝖣𝖢. 𝖳𝗁𝖾𝗒 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗐𝖾𝗅𝗅 𝖺𝗐𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗈𝖿 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗇𝗎𝗆𝖾𝗋𝗈𝗎𝗌 𝗐𝖺𝗒𝗌 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝖾 𝗌𝖾𝗍 𝗎𝗉 𝗌𝗅𝗎𝗌𝗁 𝖿𝗎𝗇𝖽𝗌 𝗈𝖿 𝖳𝖠𝖷𝖯𝖠𝖸𝖤𝖱𝖲 𝖬𝖮𝖭𝖤𝖸 𝗍𝗈 𝖻𝖾 𝗎𝗌𝖾𝖽 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗂𝗋 𝖻𝖾𝗇𝖾𝖿𝗂𝗍 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆 𝗍𝗈 𝗌𝗍𝖾𝖺𝗅 𝗍𝗈 𝖾𝗇𝗋𝗂𝖼𝗁 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆𝗌𝖾𝗅𝗏𝖾𝗌 𝖠𝖭𝖣 𝖳𝖧𝖤𝖨𝖱 𝖥𝖱𝖨𝖤𝖭𝖣𝖲. 𝖳𝗁𝖾𝗒 𝗅𝗈𝗏𝖾 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒 𝖼𝖺𝗇 𝖼𝗈𝗆𝖾 𝗍𝗈 𝖣𝖢, 𝗌𝗉𝖾𝗇𝖽 𝟤𝟢 𝗍𝗉 𝟥𝟢 𝗒𝖾𝖺𝗋𝗌 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗋𝖾, 𝗇𝖾𝗏𝖾𝗋 𝖽𝗈 𝖺𝗇 𝗁𝗈𝗇𝖾𝗌𝗍 𝖽𝖺𝗒’𝗌 𝗐𝗈𝗋𝗄, 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖻𝖾𝖼𝗈𝗆𝖾 𝗆𝗎𝗅𝗍𝗂-𝗆𝗂𝗅𝗅𝗂𝗈𝗇𝖺𝗋𝖾𝗌, 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖽𝗈 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗌𝖺𝗆𝖾 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗂𝗋 𝖾𝗇𝗍𝗂𝗋𝖾 𝖿𝖺𝗆𝗂𝗅𝗒 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖺𝗅𝗅 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗂𝗋 𝖿𝗋𝗂𝖾𝗇𝖽𝗌! 𝗂.𝖾. 𝖡𝗂𝖽𝖾𝗇, 𝖲𝖼𝗁𝗎𝗆𝖾𝗋, 𝖭𝖺𝗇𝖼𝗒 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖯𝖺𝗎𝗅, 𝖾𝗍𝖼, 𝖾𝗍𝖼, 𝖾𝗍𝖼. 𝖲𝗈 𝖳𝗋𝗎𝗆𝗉 𝗌𝖺𝗒𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗁𝖾 𝗐𝖺𝗇𝗍𝖾𝖽 𝗍𝗈 𝖼𝗅𝖾𝖺𝗇 𝖺𝗅𝗅 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝖾𝗑𝖼𝗋𝖾𝗆𝖾𝗇𝗍 𝗎𝗉 𝗐𝖺𝗌 𝖺 𝖽𝗂𝗋𝖾𝖼𝗍 𝗍𝗁𝗋𝖾𝖺𝗍 𝗍𝗈 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆. 𝖶𝖾 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝖿𝗂𝗇𝖽𝗂𝗇𝗀, 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗇𝗄𝗌 𝗍𝗈 𝖳𝗋𝗎𝗆𝗉 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖤𝗅𝗈𝗇 𝖩𝖴𝖲𝖳 𝖧𝖮𝖶 𝖠𝖲𝖳𝖮𝖭𝖨𝖲𝖧𝖨𝖭𝖦𝖫𝖸 𝖡𝖠𝖣 𝖨𝖳 𝖱𝖤𝖠𝖫𝖫𝖸 𝖨𝖲. 𝖳𝗁𝖾𝗌𝖾 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝖧𝖴𝖦𝖤 𝗌𝗎𝗆𝗌 𝗈𝖿 𝗆𝗈𝗇𝖾𝗒 𝗐𝖾 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗍𝖺𝗅𝗄𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝖺𝖻𝗈𝗎𝗍, 𝖺𝗆𝗈𝗎𝗇𝗍𝗌 𝗈𝖿 𝗆𝗈𝗇𝖾𝗒 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗐𝗈𝗎𝗅𝖽 𝖼𝖺𝗎𝗌𝖾 𝖺 𝗉𝖾𝗋𝗌𝗈𝗇 𝗍𝗈 𝖽𝗈 𝖺𝗅𝗆𝗈𝗌𝗍 𝖺𝗇𝗒𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗍𝗈 𝗄𝖾𝖾𝗉 𝖿𝗋𝗈𝗆 𝗅𝗈𝗌𝗂𝗇𝗀. 𝖨 𝖻𝖾𝗅𝗂𝖾𝗏𝖾 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗂𝗌 𝗐𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗂𝗌 𝗈𝖼𝖼𝗎𝗋𝗋𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗋𝗂𝗀𝗁𝗍 𝗂𝗇 𝖿𝗋𝗈𝗇𝗍 𝗈𝖿 𝗈𝗎𝗋 𝖾𝗒𝖾𝗌. 𝖨 𝖻𝖾𝗅𝗂𝖾𝗏𝖾 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗂𝗌 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝖾𝗑𝖺𝖼𝗍 𝗋𝖾𝖺𝗌𝗈𝗇 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗍𝗋𝖾𝖺𝗍𝗆𝖾𝗇𝗍 𝗈𝖿 𝖳𝗋𝗎𝗆𝗉 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗇𝗈𝗐 𝖤𝗅𝗈𝗇, 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗐𝖾 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗇𝗈𝗐 𝗌𝖾𝖾𝗂𝗇𝗀. 𝖨 𝖺𝗆 𝖼𝗈𝗇𝗏𝗂𝗇𝖼𝖾𝖽 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗋𝖾 𝗂𝗌 𝗇𝗈𝗍, 𝗂𝗇 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝖾𝗇𝗍𝗂𝗋𝖾 𝖣𝖾𝗆𝗈𝖼𝗋𝖺𝗍𝗂𝖼 𝖯𝖺𝗋𝗍𝗒 𝖠𝖭𝖸𝖮𝖭𝖤 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁 𝖺𝗇𝗒𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗋𝖾𝗆𝗈𝗍𝖾𝗅𝗒 𝗋𝖾𝗌𝖾𝗆𝖻𝗅𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝖺𝗇 𝗈𝗎𝗇𝖼𝖾 𝗈𝖿 𝗁𝗈𝗇𝖾𝗌𝗍𝗒, 𝖽𝖾𝖼𝖾𝗇𝖼𝗒, 𝗆𝗈𝗋𝖺𝗅𝗌, 𝗌𝗍𝖺𝗇𝖽𝖺𝗋𝖽𝗌 𝗈𝗋 𝗋𝖾𝖺𝗅𝗅𝗒 𝖺𝗇𝗒 𝗈𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗋 𝗁𝗎𝗆𝖺𝗇 𝗍𝗋𝖺𝗂𝗍. 𝖳𝗁𝖾𝗒 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝖾 𝗉𝗋𝗈𝗏𝖾𝗇 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒 𝗐𝗂𝗅𝗅 𝖽𝖾𝗌𝗍𝗋𝗈𝗒 𝖺𝗇𝗒𝗈𝗇𝖾, 𝖺𝗇𝗒𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗎𝗉 𝗍𝗈 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗂𝗇𝖼𝗅𝗎𝖽𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗈𝗎𝗋 𝖻𝖾𝗅𝗈𝗏𝖾𝖽 𝖼𝗈𝗎𝗇𝗍𝗋𝗒 𝗍𝗈 𝗄𝖾𝖾𝗉 𝖿𝗋𝗈𝗆 𝗅𝗈𝗌𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗂𝗋 𝗌𝗈𝗎𝗋𝖼𝖾𝗌 𝗈𝖿 𝖳𝖠𝖷𝖯𝖠𝖸𝖤𝖱 𝗆𝗈𝗇𝖾𝗒 𝗌𝗅𝗎𝗌𝗁 𝖿𝗎𝗇𝖽𝗌! 𝖳𝗁𝖾𝗒 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝖼𝗈𝗇𝗍𝖾𝗇𝗍 𝗍𝗈 𝗉𝖺𝗌𝗌 𝗅𝖺𝗐𝗌 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝖻𝖾𝗇𝖾𝖿𝗂𝗍 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆, 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗂𝗇𝗃𝗎𝗋𝖾 𝖤𝖵𝖤𝖱𝖸𝖮𝖭𝖤 𝖾𝗅𝗌𝖾. 𝖨 𝖺𝗉𝗈𝗅𝗈𝗀𝗂𝗓𝖾 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗋𝗎𝗇𝗇𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗈𝗇 𝗂𝗇 𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗌 𝗉𝗈𝗌𝗍, 𝖻𝗎𝗍 𝖨 𝖼𝖺𝗇𝗇𝗈𝗍 𝗌𝖺𝗒 𝖾𝗇𝗈𝗎𝗀𝗁 𝖻𝖺𝖽 𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗇𝗀𝗌 𝖺𝖻𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆, 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖨 𝖼𝖺𝗇𝗇𝗈𝗍 𝗌𝖺𝗒 𝖺𝗇𝗒𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗀𝗈𝗈𝖽 𝖺𝖻𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆, 𝗌𝗈 𝗍𝖺𝗄𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗌 𝖼𝗁𝖺𝗇𝖼𝖾 𝗍𝗈 𝖻𝖺𝖽𝗆𝗈𝗎𝗍𝗁 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆 𝖨 𝗋𝖾𝖺𝗅𝗅𝗒 𝖾𝗇𝗃𝗈𝗒𝖾𝖽 𝗂𝗍, 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖺𝗆 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗍𝗋𝗈𝗎𝖻𝗅𝖾 𝗌𝗍𝗈𝗉𝗉𝗂𝗇𝗀! 𝖡𝗎𝗍, 𝖨 𝖻𝖾𝗅𝗂𝖾𝗏𝖾 𝖨 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝖾 𝖽𝖾𝗆𝗈𝗇𝗌𝗍𝗋𝖺𝗍𝖾𝖽 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗋𝖾𝖺𝗌𝗈𝗇𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝖻𝖾𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖽 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗆𝖺𝗌𝗌𝗂𝗏𝖾 𝖳𝖣𝖲 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗐𝖾 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗌𝖾𝖾𝗂𝗇𝗀, 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖿𝗎𝗋𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗋 𝖻𝖾𝗅𝗂𝖾𝗏𝖾 𝗂𝗍 𝗂𝗇𝖽𝗂𝖼𝖺𝗍𝖾𝗌 𝖳𝗋𝗎𝗆𝗉 𝗇𝖾𝖾𝖽𝗌 𝗈𝗎𝗋 𝗌𝖾𝗋𝗂𝗈𝗎𝗌 𝗉𝗋𝖺𝗒𝖾𝗋𝗌 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗁𝗂𝗌 𝗌𝖺𝖿𝖾𝗍𝗒.

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Jim I's avatar

Bravo Mary!!!

Agree, it’s always about the Benjamin’s.

Where else could AOC and Bernie become multimillionaires?!?

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angel k's avatar

Absolutely, unequivocally agree

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Bob's avatar

I agree, but only equivocally.

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C.S. Willard's avatar

Excellent and wonderfully full comment. I have an older brother with TDS ever since the escalator. He has grown increasingly bubbled. Neither listening nor responding to any point of view or argument not agreeable to his. So much so, that I had to insist that he agree to at least embrace a foundational virtue of any good and healthy relationship, including the familial. That is, reciprocity.

To that request, he retorted “what the hell is that.” To which I insisted he was smart enough to know what it is. Needless to say, over the last three years since I drew the proverbial line, he has failed to embrace the idea. I refuse to engage until he shows even a whisper of comprehension.

This is a symptom and a resulting pathology of the Left’s reaction to Trump and any mention of him, or the POV of a good many millions of Americans. It is sad because we are both getting old. Life is short, make the most of it. I expend energy happily elsewhere.

And this, more than anything, is why I LOVE Sasha ever since hearing her story about 4 years ago on Glenn Beck, tears of happiness streaming down my face as I drove through the interview. She is a gift for many reasons not the least because she helps me understand that some people can be reciprocal. I can only hope my brother reads her words and finds some akin to understanding.

Bless you Mary and Sasha! And just about every commenter here. Agreement isn’t the thing. It is understanding, curiosity and a willingness for give and take.

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AJoy's avatar

Agree

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HL3's avatar

Hate for the left has been just as high so check your hate before checking others.

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Jim I's avatar

When the Libs decided to come for our young children in school and our girls in sporting events they did not inspire 9-years of hatred, they inspired the End of Woke.

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HL3's avatar

This goes beyond that its a total intolerance for anything liberal.

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Alice Ball's avatar

The Dems are far from liberal. They are woke totalitarians who demand censorship of truths in order to advance their wretched & clearly false ideology. The actual liberals either stayed home or voted for Trump, the side who believes in free speech, which used to be a hallmark idea of liberals.

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Jim I's avatar

Trump has literally driven them nuts.

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Scott's avatar

Trump's literal "superpower," is his ability to get Democrats to oppose him on just about everything, even when it is detrimental to them. I've seen so many issues, where he gets the Democrats to choose the 20%, losing side of an 80/20 issue 😂

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HL3's avatar

Welcome to politics

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Heyjude's avatar

The whole “you just hate liberals” thing sounds like the kid who just keeps saying “I didn’t do anything, all the teachers just hate me!” So childish.

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HL3's avatar

Because from what I been hearing its usually the case. Its moved beyond 1-2 issues to EVERY issue, its a moral hate stance on every issue.

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Jim I's avatar

When Iran and the Houthi’s soon stop firing on American and European ships, you can give a huge thank-you to President Trump.

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David White's avatar

In a world where "illiberal" is the opposite of "liberal", "total intolerance for anything liberal" is the opposite of what is happening.

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AJoy's avatar

No, just intolerance for murder and insanity.

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Heyjude's avatar

In your constant search for hate, have you met our commenter Karen?

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Bob's avatar
Mar 25Edited

Have not experienced or witnessed that .. and I am firmly in both neighborhoods. (Home in Portland and home in rural Alabama w/Texas family - Portland neighbors literally tremble when discussing politics .. Alabama folks, w/o exception, always laugh. ).

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David White's avatar

Check the Far Left's refusal to acknowledge the fallacy (formerly) known as Guilt by Association: extremism is automatically justified. For example, "You stand with Trump" automatically means that, if a given issue is 90%-10% in favor of what Trump says, the Demos must adopt the most extreme 10% rather than "stand with Trump". But that doesn't make them extreme? How would that work?

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Scott's avatar

If I recall right, it was Obama that told his minions to "get in people's faces." 🤔

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Barry Lederman, “normie”'s avatar

It was deliberate and the media and Dems swallowed it as planned, almost too easy. Perfect warning to Europe, leaving our ally, Israel, out of it.

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Orenv's avatar

Sounds like a too convenient hack job to me. How did ONLY that guy end up on the chat. And then of course the chicken littles come out of the woodwork saying that IF is was the WORST CASE SCENARIO (which nobody talking about it even really knows other than that yahoo), then it was THE WORST THING EVAH! Fake news on top of minor story.

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Heather Boylen's avatar

Yeah it seems a litttle too convenient for me, how would it just happen to be the editor of the Atlantic out of anyone else?.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

When I think about the M.O. of Trump and his team, I wonder if it's possible that Goldberg was put on the Signal chat on purpose. No military operations were discussed, no secrets were revealed. The chat was mostly concerned with Europe's not paying its own way. Is this yet another means by which Trump wants Europe to know about the useless Europeans?

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Bob's avatar
Mar 25Edited

Obviously so. (For the unprovable record, I served at the Pentagon in a capacity that coordinated communications w/ the White House for five years from which I can state I would be astonished if it were not deliberate.)

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Liz LaSorte's avatar

“Bernie and AOC might be mad their Oligarchy tour is being upstaged, but both will be out there soon enough sounding her barbaric yawp.” No doubt.

Bernie and AOC are trying to convince the people that the oligarchy is NOT the democrat party/uniparty but made of Musk and Trump and other billionaires who both achieved fame and fortune by their own labor, and not from the federal government, unlike Bernie and AOC.

Why do people listen to socialists? Bernie and AOC live off the federal government and spend other people’s money – what do they know? Furthermore, socialism has been an epic FAIL throughout history.

But, sadly, too many Americans listen and vote for these hypocrites who know nothing of economics, live the good life off of American taxpayers, and do nothing but stir up frustrated Americans and their emotions: https://lizlasorte.substack.com/p/fight-the-oligarchy?r=76q58

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Sally DiMartino's avatar

Definitely - as John Fetterman said, the Democrats have their own set of 'oligarchs', including George Soros and Silicon Valley, (although some of them have shifted a bit to the right). I kinda wish the Republicans would mention that little hypocrisy more often.

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Scott's avatar

Have you noticed-- Bernie used to slam "millionaires," but now that he IS one, he slams "billionaires."

How is it, that you can be in Congress, making $175,000 per year, and become a multi-millionaire, after 10 years? 🤔

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AJoy's avatar

Exactly

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Brian M's avatar

Just for Jeffrey Goldberg's education, Signal is very secure and highly encrypted end to end. It is what I have heard the IDF uses to communicate battle plans in the field. It was created to allow dissidents to communicate in a repressive regime, without having their conversations intercepted. The mistake was not in using Signal, it was that Mike Waltz somehow had Jeffrey Goldberg in the Chat group. That was pretty stupid. And why would a very conservative Mike Waltz ever have a reason to include Goldberg in anything? That is the bigger question.

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K Sweeney's avatar

This was no accident. The Atlantic buffoon fell right into the trap because he’s so blinded by TDS. He even alludes to it without recognizing he’s been duped. “I had very strong doubts…” and “I also could not believe…”.

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JW Writes's avatar

Jeff Childers (Coffee and Covid substack) is a lawyer and has a very interesting take on the Signal/Goldberg thing this morning. Worth a read. (I'm not a lawyer so not going to try to summarize!)

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Alice Ball's avatar

He's great!

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angel k's avatar

Love his writing!

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Deb Nance's avatar

The media won't stop until they start trying them for treason.

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