The New York Times no longer has the power to shape narratives on the right. TPUSA is far more influential than legacy media. NYT has platformed countless conspiracy theorists who forced masks and jabs, can’t define what a woman is, and think windmills will stop climate change.
Sasha, as someone who greatly admires your posts and admires you personally, I have to say---and perhaps it is a leftover from the background you escaped from---you still put way, way too much importance on this social media crap. Who is having a spat with whom; who attacked so-and-so.; etc., etc. The vast majority of Americans pay no attention to any of this. It is a virtual playland; it is not the real world. Sure, CNN, the NY Times, etc. try to use this to divide MAGA, but how many people read the NY Times or watch CNN? Maybe 1/2 of 1 percent of the population? Or less? By November 2026 the massive expansion of the productive economy will be visible to all and impacting people's lives in a meaningful way. Bu 2028 we will be in the midst of perhaps the greatest productive economic boom in the nation's history. Listen to Trump's optimism, not all this social media nonsense.
I'll read this later. For now I'll go off the tagline...
"Things are fracturing in the MAGA movement. There is no point in pretending otherwise."
Kiddo, you are still a liberal. You just don't get it. The millions of us who are true MAGA from janitors to scientists... We don't give a fuck about leaders or movements.
When you finally let go of hierarchy you will start becoming one of us.
We're listening but we're not being led, and if these people go somewhere other than where we as individuals think they should we will ignore them. And when it finally becomes necessary - soon - we'll make out own temporary organization, revolt, and burn this mess flat.
That BTW is what a militia actually is. An ad hoc organization formed to meet a need. Any need. From a forest fire to a revolution.
Well said. All this infighting is just ambient noise to me; I’m not paying attention to it nor should anyone else. Keep the eyes on the prize: saving the country from the establishment ruling class.
If Trump did nothing else but open our eyes to the massive corruption of our federal government and its NGO's he will have done the Lord's work. We got it from here.
The 1619 liars Nigger Times lost all respect forever with that anti-American screed they published. But they can't be "un-personed" because they aren't people.
Good observations. Of course the legacy media is eager to hype any controversy in or near MAGA in order to sabotage it. (While being reluctant to apply the same level of concern to the wacky radical fringes around Democrats.) The core of MAGA has nothing to do with Israel, Jews, World War II, or Macron’s wife. JD is right about that kind of purity test, especially because the enemies of MAGA don’t really care about anyone's stance on Candace Owens. They’ve already lumped you in with the “fascists,” regardless. There’s no real compromise possible with someone using controversy as a weapon.
What’s the point of having a big tent if you throw away principles to get the big tent? It’s exactly the same mistake as the left made by catering to insanity to enlarge their coalition.
Bravo to Ben Shapiro for being brave enough to stand up to crazy.
Ben Shapiro can stop taking ticket stubs at entrance to the tent. I’m MAGA and didn’t ask him to play gatekeeper. The fracture in the movement if you care to characterize it that way, seems to revolve around whether one passes a particular purity test. I’ll let you guess what that is.
Some on the Right are deploying the same tactics as the Left formerly did. I abhor all forms of cancel culture and coercion of speech.
I don’t think Jew Hating is being ‘mainstreamed’ on the Right. But I do think Ben just made himself into a polarizing figure to some on the Right. And that’s not good.
Bridget Macron is a man. The Mossad killed Charlie Kirk with inside help from people high up in the TPUSA organization. Candace Owens and her ilk do not represent any ideas I want to be associated with.
Do I understand that people can disagree on some things, while finding common ground on other issues? Sure, in fact that’s good and necessary. But I cannot excuse crazy, ugly ideas for the sake of a bigger tent.
What does Bridget Macron have to do with MAGA, and improving the lives of our fellow citizens?
Candace Owens doesn’t represent mainstream MAGA. Let her spew whatever she wants. It’s a free country last time I looked.
I don’t think the Mossad killed Kirk. But I do think there might be connective tissue to Epstein, the Maxwell’s and the Mossad. But right now, it’s smoke without a fires Does holding this speculation make me a nut job?
Forcing people to denounce others is what Mao did during the Cultural Revolution. It’s not necessary.
We are not all going to agree on Israel, either. But also, so what? This is MAGA, not MIGA.
I agree, Candace Owen’s does not represent mainstream MAGA. And her crazy ideas should be called out, just as we call out the crazy ideas on the left. She is not immune from criticism simply because she calls herself conservative.
Sasha: I have to agree with Robert Ingraham's comment, and add that Trump had 70 or 80 million votes. Fuentes may have a million or two followers, and most of the audience of Owens and others like her is miniscule. The vast majority of MAGA supporters pay no attention to these people. Fuentes and his followers remind of the Weatherman terrorists of the late 1960s-- a pathetic bunch who quickly destroyed themselves. Meanwhile, while the press played them up for a few months they had no impact politically. And the vast majority of the voters had forgotten about them, if they ever had heard of them. As President Trump begins his tour of the nation with his Presidential campaign rallies, he is already generating the excitement that will ensure victory in the Mid=terms. The American people know that it is what Trump is doing that will transform the nation even more than has been done so far. As factories open, millions gain high wage jobs, inflation disappears, and Trump will drag the insurance companies into his office in a week or two, to shove down their throughs, as he did this past week with the pharma CEOs, dramatic price cuts for the American people. You do not win wars complaing about a few idiots with their nonsence. Nor merely complaining about the enemy. Join with Trump, and get the vote out over the next months, and we shall see a great victory in November.
The vast, vast majority of people aren’t paying attention to this, even on the Right. At the rate Candace seems to be going, she’ll have physically manifested the Devil by July. That’s to say, a lot will change and who denounces who right now doesn’t matter.
I’m not sure it will matter in 2026, anyway. If the economy takes off and consumer confidence finally rises, what podcaster hates who will be a silly sideshow next year. People won’t care then just like most don’t care now.
It seems to me that none of the commenters or the media have any idea what it is like to suffer the surprise violent loss of a deeply loved person. I sat with a friend who lost a son to an accident for probably a full year once a week for hours. Sometimes she spoke sometimes she didn’t. All these people have suffered deep trauma to one degree or another and the various forms and stages of grief are on national display. Who on earth could expect a grieving widow and friends to behave well or even rationally. People need time to grieve and to understand that others grieve differently and some destructively.
This time next year, God willing and people forgive TPUSA can start putting the pieces back together but it’s unrealistic to expect this to have gone well. And maybe Candace is suffering from postpartum psychosis, it is a real thing.
Agree with all of your points. I've said the same about Candace and she needs help sooner than later.
My bother died by suicide when he was 18; he was the 7th of 9 children. My parents were away for the weekend and received a that horrific call at the airport on the red phone (in 1986) on their way home. I got the call many, many states away as I am #3 in the family. The trauma is real. Candace saying this stuff before and now after her conversation with Erika demonstrates a level of depravity that I cannot comprehend.
Ben Shapiro doesn't get to be the gatekeeper for the Right. Buckley did that back in the Long Ago. He had infinitely more talent and class than Shapiro but he was wrong about that. Imagine the world if the Birchers billboards about impeaching Earl Warren had been heeded.
Congress was "arguing" about a "Budget" with $3 trillion more Spending than Revenue. Elections are meaningless now. We're deep into the Bread and Circuses stage of this failing empire.
I was a Democrat for decades, but left the party due to its embrace of Trans, its effort to combat racism with more racism, its cancel culture, and its growing antisemitic antizionism.
However, I sure as hell would never join the Republican Party or the conservative movement if they have stone-cold Jews Haters like Candace Owens or Nick Fuentes within that movement.
The New York Times no longer has the power to shape narratives on the right. TPUSA is far more influential than legacy media. NYT has platformed countless conspiracy theorists who forced masks and jabs, can’t define what a woman is, and think windmills will stop climate change.
Sasha, as someone who greatly admires your posts and admires you personally, I have to say---and perhaps it is a leftover from the background you escaped from---you still put way, way too much importance on this social media crap. Who is having a spat with whom; who attacked so-and-so.; etc., etc. The vast majority of Americans pay no attention to any of this. It is a virtual playland; it is not the real world. Sure, CNN, the NY Times, etc. try to use this to divide MAGA, but how many people read the NY Times or watch CNN? Maybe 1/2 of 1 percent of the population? Or less? By November 2026 the massive expansion of the productive economy will be visible to all and impacting people's lives in a meaningful way. Bu 2028 we will be in the midst of perhaps the greatest productive economic boom in the nation's history. Listen to Trump's optimism, not all this social media nonsense.
I'll read this later. For now I'll go off the tagline...
"Things are fracturing in the MAGA movement. There is no point in pretending otherwise."
Kiddo, you are still a liberal. You just don't get it. The millions of us who are true MAGA from janitors to scientists... We don't give a fuck about leaders or movements.
When you finally let go of hierarchy you will start becoming one of us.
We're listening but we're not being led, and if these people go somewhere other than where we as individuals think they should we will ignore them. And when it finally becomes necessary - soon - we'll make out own temporary organization, revolt, and burn this mess flat.
That BTW is what a militia actually is. An ad hoc organization formed to meet a need. Any need. From a forest fire to a revolution.
The ghost of Paul Revere is saddling his horse...
Well said. All this infighting is just ambient noise to me; I’m not paying attention to it nor should anyone else. Keep the eyes on the prize: saving the country from the establishment ruling class.
If Trump did nothing else but open our eyes to the massive corruption of our federal government and its NGO's he will have done the Lord's work. We got it from here.
I would un-person the NY Times. Not worth considering or quoting
The 1619 liars Nigger Times lost all respect forever with that anti-American screed they published. But they can't be "un-personed" because they aren't people.
Good observations. Of course the legacy media is eager to hype any controversy in or near MAGA in order to sabotage it. (While being reluctant to apply the same level of concern to the wacky radical fringes around Democrats.) The core of MAGA has nothing to do with Israel, Jews, World War II, or Macron’s wife. JD is right about that kind of purity test, especially because the enemies of MAGA don’t really care about anyone's stance on Candace Owens. They’ve already lumped you in with the “fascists,” regardless. There’s no real compromise possible with someone using controversy as a weapon.
Mankind's enemy, the Devil, loves to cause division. Wake up Maga! Fight the enemy, not each other.
The ‘enemy’ if you want to frame it up that way — are those who support policies that fracture the nuclear family.
What’s the point of having a big tent if you throw away principles to get the big tent? It’s exactly the same mistake as the left made by catering to insanity to enlarge their coalition.
Bravo to Ben Shapiro for being brave enough to stand up to crazy.
Ben Shapiro can stop taking ticket stubs at entrance to the tent. I’m MAGA and didn’t ask him to play gatekeeper. The fracture in the movement if you care to characterize it that way, seems to revolve around whether one passes a particular purity test. I’ll let you guess what that is.
Some on the Right are deploying the same tactics as the Left formerly did. I abhor all forms of cancel culture and coercion of speech.
If the conservative movement insists upon mainstreaming white nationalists and Jew Haters that very definitely leaves me out.
I don’t think Jew Hating is being ‘mainstreamed’ on the Right. But I do think Ben just made himself into a polarizing figure to some on the Right. And that’s not good.
Is it a purity test to call out crazy ideas?
List the crazy ideas. Not the person, the idea. Go.
Bridget Macron is a man. The Mossad killed Charlie Kirk with inside help from people high up in the TPUSA organization. Candace Owens and her ilk do not represent any ideas I want to be associated with.
Do I understand that people can disagree on some things, while finding common ground on other issues? Sure, in fact that’s good and necessary. But I cannot excuse crazy, ugly ideas for the sake of a bigger tent.
What does Bridget Macron have to do with MAGA, and improving the lives of our fellow citizens?
Candace Owens doesn’t represent mainstream MAGA. Let her spew whatever she wants. It’s a free country last time I looked.
I don’t think the Mossad killed Kirk. But I do think there might be connective tissue to Epstein, the Maxwell’s and the Mossad. But right now, it’s smoke without a fires Does holding this speculation make me a nut job?
Forcing people to denounce others is what Mao did during the Cultural Revolution. It’s not necessary.
We are not all going to agree on Israel, either. But also, so what? This is MAGA, not MIGA.
I agree, Candace Owen’s does not represent mainstream MAGA. And her crazy ideas should be called out, just as we call out the crazy ideas on the left. She is not immune from criticism simply because she calls herself conservative.
We will be divided only if we allow it to happen. I think the bickering at the TPUSA event was ridiculous, but this too shall pass.
This dispute over who killed Kirk is easy: Follow the evidence.
We don't have access to the evidence.
Sasha: I have to agree with Robert Ingraham's comment, and add that Trump had 70 or 80 million votes. Fuentes may have a million or two followers, and most of the audience of Owens and others like her is miniscule. The vast majority of MAGA supporters pay no attention to these people. Fuentes and his followers remind of the Weatherman terrorists of the late 1960s-- a pathetic bunch who quickly destroyed themselves. Meanwhile, while the press played them up for a few months they had no impact politically. And the vast majority of the voters had forgotten about them, if they ever had heard of them. As President Trump begins his tour of the nation with his Presidential campaign rallies, he is already generating the excitement that will ensure victory in the Mid=terms. The American people know that it is what Trump is doing that will transform the nation even more than has been done so far. As factories open, millions gain high wage jobs, inflation disappears, and Trump will drag the insurance companies into his office in a week or two, to shove down their throughs, as he did this past week with the pharma CEOs, dramatic price cuts for the American people. You do not win wars complaing about a few idiots with their nonsence. Nor merely complaining about the enemy. Join with Trump, and get the vote out over the next months, and we shall see a great victory in November.
You’re reading too much into it.
The vast, vast majority of people aren’t paying attention to this, even on the Right. At the rate Candace seems to be going, she’ll have physically manifested the Devil by July. That’s to say, a lot will change and who denounces who right now doesn’t matter.
I’m not sure it will matter in 2026, anyway. If the economy takes off and consumer confidence finally rises, what podcaster hates who will be a silly sideshow next year. People won’t care then just like most don’t care now.
It seems to me that none of the commenters or the media have any idea what it is like to suffer the surprise violent loss of a deeply loved person. I sat with a friend who lost a son to an accident for probably a full year once a week for hours. Sometimes she spoke sometimes she didn’t. All these people have suffered deep trauma to one degree or another and the various forms and stages of grief are on national display. Who on earth could expect a grieving widow and friends to behave well or even rationally. People need time to grieve and to understand that others grieve differently and some destructively.
This time next year, God willing and people forgive TPUSA can start putting the pieces back together but it’s unrealistic to expect this to have gone well. And maybe Candace is suffering from postpartum psychosis, it is a real thing.
Agree with all of your points. I've said the same about Candace and she needs help sooner than later.
My bother died by suicide when he was 18; he was the 7th of 9 children. My parents were away for the weekend and received a that horrific call at the airport on the red phone (in 1986) on their way home. I got the call many, many states away as I am #3 in the family. The trauma is real. Candace saying this stuff before and now after her conversation with Erika demonstrates a level of depravity that I cannot comprehend.
Ben Shapiro doesn't get to be the gatekeeper for the Right. Buckley did that back in the Long Ago. He had infinitely more talent and class than Shapiro but he was wrong about that. Imagine the world if the Birchers billboards about impeaching Earl Warren had been heeded.
Congress was "arguing" about a "Budget" with $3 trillion more Spending than Revenue. Elections are meaningless now. We're deep into the Bread and Circuses stage of this failing empire.
I was a Democrat for decades, but left the party due to its embrace of Trans, its effort to combat racism with more racism, its cancel culture, and its growing antisemitic antizionism.
However, I sure as hell would never join the Republican Party or the conservative movement if they have stone-cold Jews Haters like Candace Owens or Nick Fuentes within that movement.
No way.