All Trump has to do is have his DOJ conduct a REAL investigation into where Jeff’s $ came from (so suddenly), who he was working for (if anyone) and why he ran a child sex ring for the rich and elite.
Forget the ‘lists’. Just do an investigation and give us the results.
The godfather of MAGA (IMO) is Steve Bannon. And he stated at Turning Point last week that ‘Epstein is the key that picks the lock on so many things - not just individuals but also institutions’
Now Trump is calling this the ‘Jeffrey Epstein Hoax’ I do not appreciate being gaslit by the Left. And I certainly don’t like it when my POTUS does the same.
Trump said today he doesn’t want/need supporters any longer that are still interested in talking about Epstein. So, I like a lot of Trump’s policies but I guess I’m no longer a supporter. And whoever Don might hand the baton to, if that person has the same view, then I’ll not vote for them.
Yes, this is a wedge issue. Because protection of the rich/elite is no longer permitted by a portion of MAGA.
Protection of who? Trump is protecting who? Biden was protecting Trump?? Epstein ran a hedge fund/S&P index fund for the rich and famous with side benefits. Everyone says "child sex ring", but it looks more to me like 16-18YO's (still a crime for older men in some states but not in ALL states as some have the age of consent at 16). Are we talking 16-18y/o or 8-12y/o (younger??)? (probably have to call the cartels for the real child action that we all pretend didn't happen at the border).
I have found it to be SO interesting that people have their panties in a wad over the Epstein files "because of the children", have said absolutely nothing about the estimated 350,000 missing children & 100,000 missing women being raped, killed and trafficked due to the Biden/Harris open border.
I'm convinced (so far) that people are really just looking for Trump's name. Any Epstein files would have been held by Biden. If there were files, you can be sure the Dems would have let it be known to stop Trump's run for POTUS.
No no no. It’s about blackmail and shadowy influence on some of the most powerful people in the country. Potentially influencing economic and foreign policy. The victimization of children is horrifying and ought to be punished. Justice needs to be served. But the main issue is the potential major capture of our ruling class by foreign and/or domestic intelligence.
Yeah but that’s purely speculation mostly garnered and rounded up from influencers and podcasters speculating for years, who gave opinions or positions without evidence.
Once a position is repeated over and over again most people assume it was fact even though credible data hasn’t been presented.
Epstein's original sweetheart deal in 2008 comes prominently to mind.
For instance, it beggars belief that, considering Epstein's high profile friends, either the intelligence agencies, with all their surveillance powers and manifest disregard for civil rights, either knew of Epstein's extracurricular activities and did nothing, not even warn Epstein's politician friends that this is maybe someone not to be seen getting too chummy with.
Either that or they didn't know, which means that they are really really clueless. I mean, I was aware of Epstein and his antics, and I'm a cat!
That’s not true. It’s not purely speculation. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence *that we know of and that is verified * including: many many hidden cameras in Epsteins residences, strong connections with billionaires (Leslie Wexner and Robert Maxwell) who have very strong ties to Israel. Leslie Wexner has a foundation dedicated to Israel and Israel gave Robert Maxwell what amounts to a state funeral for the highest dignitary. It is well known that Robert Maxwell was involved with Mossad. There is no evidence that Epstein acquired his money through the stated means of being a financier.
It’s about the Deep State mostly. And the ‘children’ that could have been used by that Deep State to advance blackmail over current politicians and world leaders.
All your questions are the point, Orenv. Do a real investigation on this 20+ year story and put the whole thing to rest. Let’s even put Maxwell on the stand.
I don’t even understand why Maxwell is in prison. There were no clients named in her trial. How can there be victims that sends someone to prison for 20 years without clients?
Ghislaine Maxwell remains in prison because she was convicted of sex trafficking and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking in connection with Jeffrey Epstein's sexual abuse of underage girls. She is currently serving a 20-year sentence at the Federal Correctional Institution in Tallahassee, Florida.
Maxwell's legal team has appealed her conviction and sentence, arguing that a non-prosecution agreement Epstein had with federal prosecutors in Florida should have protected her from prosecution. However, a federal appeals court rejected this argument, stating that the agreement only applied to prosecutors in Southern Florida and not to those in New York where Maxwell was tried. Maxwell's lawyers have indicated they intend to appeal this decision to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Who did she sex traffic ‘for’? I.e. who paid and benefited for sex w/ underage girls. That’s the missing element that makes her trial a sham.
Think about when a teacher gets charged/convicted of sex with underage students. How come we know both victim and bad teacher. But in this case of serving up underage sex for elite/wealthy were told it’s a Hoax?
I heard Charlie Kirk explain that all the young people are really mad because they believe the Epstein case is the “skeleton key” ( he used that phrase several times) to unlocking the whole deep state. They are just trying to get Trump to understand that.
I admire the work Charlie Kirk has done with young people, but this hysteria over the Epstein files shows how naive a lot of people are. This is the opportunity to take down the deep state? Everybody but Trump sees that?
I think there are a lot of bad actors taking advantage of naive people, whipping up hysteria over Epstein. Some of the commenters here confirm my opinion that there is another agenda here. Israel did it!
Mike Benz cogently explained to Kirk 2 days ago that Epstein was most likely a freelance financial fixer for covert deals of the kind intel agencies engage in. He was also a pervert, but the girls and parties werre primarily used to attract rich men and juice the deals. He likely was not a blackmailer as that would have madee him useless as a dealmaker. It's possible however some of his surveillance material could have been used by intel in selected cases but his businesss was not that. Marc Rich was another such fixer -- Clinton pardoned him. This is not the kind of story the leader of a country ccan say because they all do these deals from time to time. Like Iran Contra where Epstein was apparently the money bundler for the arms dealer Khashoggi.
"Accused" was it proven? I think Epstein just liked teenagers, and Maxwell would get them for him, maybe join in. Why would they tell anyone else that? "Uh hey, Bill Gates, did you know that I fly underage girls to my private island for sex? Do you want to join me? Then you can hire me to invest your money?" That's not how things work.
"All Trump has to do is have his DOJ conduct a REAL investigation into where Jeff’s $ came from (so suddenly), who he was working for (if anyone) and why he ran a child sex ring for the rich and elite."
Have you considered maybe they did and found...Nothing?
BTW underage 15-16-17-18 young women is not quite the same as a child sex ring.. When I see a child sex ring I'm thinking 9-10-11-12 year old.
Isn’t sexual exploitation & trafficking of or sex with a minor (under 18) is all illegal, whether pedophilia (prepubescent) or pederasty (post-pubescent) illegal?
If there were no files, why didn't the DoJ just tell us back in 2017? Why did Bondi claim in February to have the files "on her desk"? Why did Vance and others call for their release a month ago?
There are files, there is no "list". The files contain video of child porn- that's not going to be released. The files include the names of victims- that's not going to be released. And, here's where all the dust up is, the files contain the names of people who associated with Epstein. People want that released. That's the "list" in their minds. But, just because you know a criminal, doesn't mean you participated in his crimes, or knew about them. How many neighbors have said things like "I never would have suspected. He seemed like such a nice young man. He kept to himself." So, no, they are also not going to release the list of people who knew Epstein, because it would ruin those people's lives, and it is also against the law for the government to impugn the reputation of private citizens without charging them with a crime.
The flight logs and his little black book already arre in the public domain. There is more they release like his ties to intel and evidence presented to the Maxwell jury if judgee agrees to release. Also some record of evidence seized
You completely delude yourself if you think the “resolution” of the Epstein files will actually have any REAL effect on the rich and powerful.
I supported Trump in November. I continue to support Trump. We need to focus on the border and other critical issues. Epstein is a distraction and waste of time.
Trump misread this one, but MAGA is in no danger of going anywhere. We'll still support him. He needs to appoint a special prosecutor immediately. Someone like Matt Goetz and get to the bottom of the swamp. It's not about Epstein, it's about the Elites being above the law.
Me thinks Maxwell inherited lots of dough from her Dad, and loads of his came from the Israeli Treasury. A real investigation could confirm or deny this.
At times, he claimed to be a tax strategist, but he wasn't working on behalf of a law firm, which means that no attorney client privilege would apply. Moreover, there aren't any tax loopholes not known to the profession as a whole, nothing that would justify such outlandish fees.
You need to listen to Mike Benz. Epstein structured covert deals in such a way they evaded notice by regulators and the public so in that sense he was.
Trump said he didn’t want my support anymore. Here’s his statement today:
“I have had more success in 6 months than perhaps any President in our Country’s history, and all these people want to talk about, with strong prodding by the Fake News and the success starved Dems, is the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax,” he wrote. “Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support anymore!”
A question, if I may...if Jeffery Epstein is an asset to one or more foreign intelligence agencies (a quiet popular theory, at the moment), what benefit would there be in making that association public? By doing so, you remove all diplomatic leverage, burn any counter-intelligence opportunities and force potential associates and collaborators of Epstein underground. Long term failure for short term satisfaction is never a good policy.
Great question, Robert. IMO, publicizing Epstein intel association would lead to much greater intel oversight and regulation. As it would show intel bodies were ‘okay’ with supporting a teen sex trafficker for the powerful. We’d get another Church Committee, likely. And the intel masters that went along with the scheme would be blackballed and removed. We might also find out events or decisions influenced by the scheme. More secrets = less freedom. More truth = greater freedom.
This is a nothing burger. Most of the details are already out there from the court cases. If you believe that Joe Biden was protecting DJT, I have some swampland in FL to sell you. The guy was running an S&P 500 index fund dressed up like a hedge fund (sexy..). He had impressionable girls willing to live the high life and share themselves with the rich and famous. At least one of the UK Royal family was caught in this. Some of them were "underage", but maybe not in Alabama. This side entertainment kept the vibes going and the big whigs entertained. The oldest story in the book. The client ID's are under court seal and can't be released by Trump or Bondi, but could be requested by the media under FOIA. It really isn't fair to allow publishing of "lists" that may very well be made up without cross examination and identifying the accusers (who may have been underage and just might not want to be identified).
You are 100% correct. Whatever material is in the "files" has already been pored over and probably corrupted by Biden's DOJ, since they had everything for the past 5 years. People have already been legally protected and/or paid off. Bondi will release anything that is still credible, as DJT promised. He's only calling this a "hoax" because it's a big distraction and he's upset that people are still talking about it. This is being way over-analyzed.
Remember when Hillary took a sledge hammer to her unsecured computer and then poured bleach over it to get rid of 30,000 emails? Once on the Internet, they would have stayed there, yet no one has ever delved into finding out what the emails contained.
I think Sasha’s essay tonight is about ‘pressure testing’ whether MAGA remains pissed about the Administration placing the Epstein investigation into a round file.
This is likely to occur across social media for a while.
The Dems were using a delaying tactic to stop the vote on the rescissions package. The GOP wasn't going to play. It had nothing to do with blocking the release of the files. MTG explained this very well in a post on X.
Just keep tossing that speculation around like candy. Maybe someday you’ll have your own horde of vapid followers to stroke the ego and pat your head. Good boy!
They cannot unseal court records. They can do a FOIA and get the judge to release it. But it might still be redacted as some of the people named might have been minors. Should unsubstantiated accusations be released?? Without the accusers named to establish credibility??
They can compel and records that the president has to release it. You should know better because we been down this path with Nixon and unless the Supreme court want to rewrite that power to which we would have a total dictatorship at that point congress can compel and force its release.
The files don’t matter, Dena. The point is for the DOJ to do a full investigation of Epstein sudden rise to power/ wealth, why he flipped from math teacher to teen/pre teen pimp to the wealthy elite, and who he was working for. Alexander Acosta was ‘told’ to go light on Jeff during his’08 plea deal because he was intel. There’s so much smoke and so little curiosity by Trump and his DOJ.
Epstein was never in Trumps top 20 campaign promises. He’s not stupid, though it appears he misread the importance of the Epstein case to his supporters. Bondi botched the communication on it to the public several times ramping up expectations & again with the binders. Why is a mystery - she’s not stupid. Trump has said that he wants her to release everything relevant to the case. It’s in her court as head of DOJ. Starting with the release of Acosta’s case would be a good place to start. But the Biden administration has had 4 years to doctor up & shred anything damaging to certain people, so I doubt there’s much there there. Here are Trump’s top campaign promises: https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1945695015638110646?s=61
Draining the swamp was a BIG part of Trump’s appeal to voters like me. And Epstein was likely involved in some serious international Deep State business and deals. That is what you call the swamp. And Trump doesn’t want anything to do with draining this particular part of it.
Yes, she is in fact stupid. She was a mediocre lawyer who barely practiced before being plucked up by the powers that be forr optics due to her looks. She's Kamala for Rs. It was also very poor judgment to release when she did the sketchy unsigned memo.
Trump does not have the Epstein files. The DOJ does but the are restricted by past judgements of the courts. I want to know where are all these girls, now women, who were trafficked. Hundreds of them? I doubt it that many but if so, only 1 or 2 have come forward. Strange. Alan Dershowitz his former attorney says there was never a list. He should know. Finally, you can’t release everything because there will be people injured by it who may have never participated in raping these girls.
Most of the details are not out there, silly. Victims who accepted settlement money from one of the victims funds set up by the Dersh's buddy David Bose had to SIGN A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT! If you cannot smell a rat here you are utterly delusional.
I enjoy Sasha’s work but I’m not gonna just “rah rah” because I voted for someone. The FBI Director, Deputy Director, DNI, and even the President’s son have all made repeated statements that there is something to see. I take them at their word. Let’s also not forget that the President promised to release the MLK,JFK, and RFK files and hasn’t delivered. He has continued to carry water for the IDF and now is resuming weapons to Ukraine. He bombed Iran and has only made token attempts on immigration and especially deportation. They could’ve come to thousands of small towns in the South and filled up every detention center in this country within ZERO protest, instead they started a bunch of foolishness in LA to poke Newsom and Bass. He folded to Wall St and China on tariffs. I don’t regret my choice bc I do believe Officer Harris would’ve been worse, but we re not sheep. Boot on the neck until it’s released, and every representative should consider carefully their position as the midterms will be here soon.
"only made token attempts on immigration and especially deportation"????
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever gone fishing? If so, did you fish where you knew there were a lot of fish or did you fish where it was known to have less fish?
We are in CA. We LOVE what ICE is doing!! Living in CA is like living in a cesspool. Illegals have far more rights than legals. They get free EVERYTHING. A woman who lived 1 mile from us was brutally murdered in her bed during the middle of the night and nearly decapitated her.
I understand and I’m not saying that they don’t need to go or anything of the sort. What I am saying is that if you’re truly trying to resolve a problem, you start with the easiest and work your way to the most difficult. There are thousands of small towns all over the south that have school buses full of illegals at their local Walmart every Saturday and Sunday. They could be rounded up and deported without riots, and with cooperation of the state governments. They won’t do that bc of all the Republican farmers who have no desire to let go of their slave class. They went for the photo op, that never projects sincerity. Be well friend.
I was born, raised, live, will die and be buried in CA. I'm a second generation Californian. Our farmers are NOT Republican. Trump has already stated he loves farmers and wants to find a way for the illegals who have no "history" to find a path to keep them.
The "farms" that were just raided ..... they donated to Newsom no less than twice to Newsom for $1,250 twice (I have a copy of the proof), but it has been said it was $10,000. The raid found 10 (9?) "unaccompanied" minors.
I have done a deep dive into Bass during the fires. Bass is a Communist. She was not only supportive of Fidel Castro, she was in a Brigade.
Bass was on Biden's list of DEI VP picks. Obama told Biden to pick Harris as VP and Bass as mayor. Bass had too much "baggage" to select as VP.
Newsom is THE worst Governor in CA's history. We tried to recall Newsom. George Soros funded the NO on recall and I have documented proof. Newsom destroyed San Francisco and went on to destroy CA.
As far as your fishing metaphor, I typically don’t fish in rapids, I head for still waters. There are just as many illegals in Texas, but they didn’t go there at that level, bc they wanted to make Newsom and Bass look bad, make LA look like a war zone, and stay tied up in court without doing very much. I can hear the President now blaming “activist judges” and “woke mayors and governors” for the administration’s failures.
Have you considered this: a CEO of a corporation rarely spends any time with his executives. Short of a monthly (or so) meeting to discuss the progression of the business. In these meetings, the CEO relates his expectations, his execs accept their responsibilities and the expectations are that the execs will progress with the directives.
Looking at that through a lens only directed at the Trump administration. Let’s consider the same scenario. Trump is doing a lot of traveling and conducting a great many meetings with high and elected officials, meeting with them at the Whitehouse. He had meetings with his staff, transparent BTW, to discuss his plans, and progress. President Trump has been very adamant that his administration be as transparent as humanly possible. That’s the expectation Bondi, Patel, and Bongino each had as they began transitioning into their positions. In the beginning, each entered their positions with many pre conceived beliefs about Government Agencies. Of course they were media darlings and perhaps they genuinely still believed in what they thought was the truth and openly championed the idea that they were going to expose all of it. Additionally, by going so public they were indeed promoting President Trump’s transparency directive. Perhaps when they got down into the weeds of the documentation the truth was much different than the conspiracy.
That the American public have the expectation that our president, no matter who he is, has his hand on the pulse of every single department under his office is completely absurd. And the final thing I will say is that it should be highly suspect that MAGA and Republicans would not see this sudden surge of like mindedness coming from the left s highly suspicious. Really, you think they just woke up last week and decided the right was no longer the Nazi’s they’ve been accusing us of being for nigh on 10 years now. This is all wrong and we will butting off our nose to spite our face if we don’t put a stop to this right now
Have you considered that you sound very much like an apologist for whatever the President wants to do with no opinion of your own?
CEO or no, possibly his best quality is having his pulse on his base, so yeah, he knows this isn’t going away. His dogged determination to shut it down is quite suspect.
As far as “the left” suddenly wanting it for cynical reasons, GOOD! I don’t change my opinion simply because people I don’t personally like suddenly agree with me. Consider how childish that sounds. If Democrats suddenly become pro deportation, pro American manufacturing, etc, etc., am I supposed to switch views?!?!
Can you point me to another writer, influencer, or at the very least another commenter who shared the possibility I just proposed? I’m certain I came to this possibility all on my own. Further, you cannot possibly know what I consider acceptable or unacceptable views or actions of President Trump. I do agree that his strongest quality has been having his hands on the pulse of his base. Which I believe gives more credence, not less, to my assessment of this situation. He’s trying to broker peace between 4 no 5 different countries. At the same time as working tirelessly to bring manufacturing back to the US. And further insisting that the illegal immigrants go the hell home. And doing all of this, ALL OF THIS, while being dragged continually through the mud by the left, the media, and now even his base.
I appreciate you disagree with me. Yet calling me an apologist giving him a pass on anything and everything is unnecessary at least and certainly unkind.
Many of those people you mentioned said things when they were podcasters or were in political arenas of opposition to the previous party in power. Many used their platforms and media to say things to create outrage, to smear opposition (including the deep state), to bring eyeballs to their podcasts and to create a contrarian narrative.
I believe Patel and Bongino now while still understanding where there were and what was said during the previous 4 years.
So what you are saying is these are extremely media savvy folks, who used candor and transparency to build trust. I agree. So it stands to reason that Patel and Bongino at the very least have to know how that “he killed himself” hostage tape looked. Bongino has how many years of Murdoch family media training and he comes off looking Officer Harris on 60 minutes before the edit?! Look at the promises Patel made on Shawn Ryan’s show. It’s ok to not fulfill it and there may be a reason, but there is NO reason not to explain to the American ppl why. There is also no reason for the President to come off angry like Joe Biden every time the subject is broached. They convict themselves with their actions.
I listen to Megyn Kelly, Benny Johnson and VDH- and I think they are completely sincere and fair in their commentary regarding this. The latest Rasmussen reflects it too. While Trump’s base loves what he’s doing everywhere else, we are absolutely bewildered about this for many reasons.
I don't have that much interest in the so called Epstein files. Your take about paid influencers wanting more clicks seems spot.on. There's much more important stuff for the regular people to focus on, like our own lives and local issues. Straight up.
The desire to conceal proves malfeasance. By somebody over something. I want the swamp drained like was promised and I DGAF what bodies are gonna come up. If it takes another Jan6 to release these files so be it.
I'm not sure it PROVES malfeasance, but it certainly could lead to people thinking that. To have complained about Democrats (and others ) handling of Epstein, then say"the files are on my desk" in a TV Interview, then say, there's nothing here...that definitely wasn't handled well. I know they're super busy but, something like, "we thought there was more, and I may have spoken too soon, I apologize..." it's all %&^$- ya know? So, they screwed it up (Bondi and co) and they're human too after all. Yes, they should release more if they can, like Trump said.
So, I think that what is in the files is not the point. I think that we’re sick and tired of being sick and tired of the lack of answers and/or truths to questions we have swirling around our reasonable minds. Who at the FBI had hands on Hunter’s laptop and who stopped the FBI from stating its legitimacy when the infamous letter materialized? Who leaked the intelligence assessment memo on the Iran bombing? Who leaked the Supreme Court draft? Who drove the wet market bus and why? Who drove policy at the White House and ran our country? Why are there Russiagate criminals, but no prisoners? I could go on and on and that’s part of this problem. My anger isn’t just about Epstein, it’s about answers because I believed answers were coming. They told me so and then Bondi pricked the balloon and I’m left feeling that it’s more of the same old dance. On top of it all, my hero doesn’t like me and insults me when I’m thinking he’s not understanding the issue here. And the issue here is that we’re sick and tired of being sick and tired of the extreme lack of accountability for a whole bunch of bad actors. No, this ain’t just about the Epstein files. Far from it.
Seriously?!? The Deep State has been growing for probably about 100 years now. And you’re demanding that the entire thing be dismantled in six months time?
That’s it. Influencers didn’t cause this, neither did MAGA. This mess lies first at the feet of Bondi and Patel who apparently approved the release of the FBI Memo to Axios (of all media,) stepping right on the neck of Trump’s historic wins from the prior week.
That’s #1. #2 is DJT dissing us for questioning that move and the content of the memo without so much as an explanation then to make it even worse, starts a brand new conspiracy theory (the Russiagate people created the Epstein Hoax!) to shame us into putting the old one to bed! And excuse me, but as for “conspiracy theories,” didn’t we JUST learn that Lee Harvey Oswald indeed WASN’T the lone shooter????
I agree with VDH- this isn’t about Epstein and it isn’t going away. It’s much bigger than Epstein.
And as for Dems using it to their advantage, it’s a pathetic joke, yes, but well, the President has himself to blame for that!
Yes, indeed. Of that list--who was running the presidency the last admin is a much bigger story. The damage from that is still being calculated and is / will be monumental. I bet it will show that yes--was totally externally operated. I doubt ol' slo joe even picked what flavor of ice cream he would daily have. As for all the other items--it may be so bad--many of the key department officials now often look like they're making hostage videos when questioned about it....
Yes, I can doubt. Because the clients of teens and pre teen sex victims likely span both sides of the aisle and may even extend to world leaders. A real investigation may even shatter the USA-Israel relationship.
To me the most interesting thing is the video of Dershowitz saying that he knows who is being protected in the Epstein case but can’t say because of an order from the judge who sealed the case files. Give Dersh a Biden-style comprehensive presidential pardon, and let / make him tall us everything he knows about Epstein.
Perhaps that’s the place to start, then, who is the judge that sealed the files? Let him tell us why the files can’t be unsealed; and then make him (he’s not a king) unseal them.
Then appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the whole damn Epstein saga, every aspect from Mosad and the CIA, to the Virgin Islands government, to the bankers, the properties, the source of his massive wealth, everyone that that took any kind of ride in any of Epstein’s planes, helicopters, boats, busses or cars.
While this is going on, the GOP needs to figure out to beat-down the well polished & well practiced Dem lying / media / propaganda / distraction / money laundering / election cheating / truth distortion / fear mongering machine.
A crisis is an opportunity - don’t let it go to waste.
If they think this is only about child trafficking and will only destroy Trump, MAGA and the GOP, they are more stupid than I imagined, and that is saying something.
They were from toddlers to preteen. It was flagrant degeneracy. It involves cannibalism and ritualistic rape and sacrifice. It is the most God awful horror story you couldn’t even dream up.
It’s a sick epidemic. But this exposes the structure and nature of how it works. Many people are eager to know the how of , but the why is even more consequential.
Probably a lot of Les Wexner’s pre teen and teen Victoria Secret models and their friends? That’s a guess. But Les and Jeffrey were very very tight. Les gave Epstein power of attorney over him in 1991.
But the crimes involved in this scandal are much more global, financial in nature. I think the sex scandal, as awful as it is, is mainly a smokescreen.
This story is not hard to understand if people would do some basic research. Epstein did not run a massive international ring of pedophiles. Epstein helped facilitate under-the-table financial deals between wealthy people and governments who ran operations that they wanted to keep from being traced back to them eg. Iran-Contra.
Epstein arranged meetings between influential people with money and government intelligence agencies. To help sweeten these deals, Epstein and Ghislaine recruited young women, some underage, to attend parties and make themselves available for sex. Epstein used women to help make deals happen, not to blackmail clients, which would have been bad for his business. Some of the women were underage but they were girls who could pass for being legal. People at these parties did not ask for IDs before engaging in sex. There are a lot of men who would have sex with a 16 year old who might be 18. There are very few men who would have sex with a nine year old.
The Epstein estate, JP Morgan, and Deutsche Bank have paid out about a half a billion dollars to women to settle civil lawsuits. This is why there have not been any criminal cases brought against Epstein's clients for statutory rape. The women involved have already settled their claims and been paid off.
There is no "client list", only affidavits of accusers, some of which are not accurate. The problem with releasing all the files is that some of the men named in affidavits are innocent and would have to clear their names of false accusations. Almost all of the people who were involved have already been named in the flight logs. It is very unlikely that there will be any further criminal prosecutions. The accusers have been paid and don't have much incentive to go through a long trial against powerful people that they would probably lose.
The Trump administration and particularly Pam Bondi have handled this case about as badly as possible. I think Bondi should be fired but Trump values loyalty in his AG above all else and he believes she is loyal.
Recent polls have shown a small decline in Trump's approval, but nothing dramatic. If the economy is doing well next year and the average person feels better about his financial situation, the Epstein case will be nothing but a footnote. Most people are not as obsessed with this case as the MAGA influencers.
Unfortunately many people have been lid to so often that they trust in nothing and therefore they will believe anything.
Your explanation makes sense, gsharper, - that the sex favors were to help seal /grease financial funding for covert activities. This fits what Benz is stating. It also would explain Jeff bragging about being ‘Mossad’ + Acosta using kid gloves in ‘08 plea because he was told Epstein was “an intel asset”
If there was no list why did Trump and his team say their was and hype it off... right because they wanted to use this against Democrats on the election and smother it when they felt it could be used against them.
Bondi is out of her depth and loves publicity which is why she staged the ridiculous binder fiasco. As I said she should be fired for her incompetence. There is no evidence that Epstein created a list for blackmail purposes or that he ever blackmailed anyone. The "list" that is referred to are the people in the flight logs and the people who have been named by accusers in the affidavits. Epstein did have a contact list that contained a number of people that he had business deals with but these are not people that necessarily ever did anything wrong.
As I said, I don't think Bondi will be fired because Trump values her loyalty. MAGA influencers, for the most part, have not been "falling in line". They have been harshly critical and in some cases unreasonably so. There are a number of people on the right who are convinced that the Epstein case is part of a huge Jewish conspiracy to control the world. I think these people are nuts.
I'm definitely sick and tired of being lied to. I have lost faith in trusting anyone in politics. If Trump had released the JFK and MLK files, perhaps I could overlook the debacle of the Epstein case. The trust is fractured. Is the corruption so deep and the global elite too powerful for any real truth and change?
I think governments will always keep secrets and rich powerful people will always get away with things that the average person would not. I think most people realize this and although they don't particularly like it, will tolerate it as long as what the government is doing does not affect their personal lives.
I think almost everyone was aware that Clinton lied about his various sex scandals but a lot of people were willing to give him a pass because they thought his lies didn't affect them and removing him would cause more trouble than it was worth.
I think the lies about the origins and treatment of Covid and the lies about the fitness of Joe Biden for office were much more damaging because they directly affected the lives of millions of Americans. The lies were also so blatant and in your face that they couldn't be ignored. You are certainly not alone in having lost all faith and trust in what the government tells you. I'm not sure what it will take to bring a sense of trust back but I think if people feel their personal lives are improving, it will help.
I think there are aspects of Epstein's connections with intelligence agencies that will be kept secret because revealing them would damage our ability to conduct future foreign policy. But I don't think this means that the world is run by a secret club of demonic pedophiles.
Nobody is asking to see Epstein’s Rolodex or his own Little Black Book containing minor girls names and adult men names.
It’s a known fact before and after the Ghislaine Maxwell trial that Epstein sex trafficked minor girls for exploitation by rich and powerful adult men. Maxwell aided in this and is doing 20 years prison time. A great deal of evidence was presented in this trial.
There are known people who molested minor girls. It’s not critical, and nobody is asking for Epstein’s Rolodex or Little Black Book.
Sorry Sasha when you have a president who tells people who think Epstein are being covered up are now Democrat supporters and he doesn't need them anymore that is cult worshiping. You are supporting a cult like it or not. This horseshit Trump has done has been done before by other GOP. Changing and rewriting history to distort the facts now he saying Democrats wrote the Epstein files.
The way President Trump and AG Pam Bondi are handling the Epstein debacle case is wrongheaded, and it's colossally stupid for Trump to let something like this derail us in the midterms.
He should have let Bondi face the music in the cabinet meeting. She overpromised, underdelivered, and even ambushed several online conservatives when she laid binders of nothingness in their hands after they were invited to the White House under false pretenses.
It was a foolish reaction from Trump to dismiss the reporter's question as if it was old news. That's an evasive Democrat tactic ("At this point, what difference does it make?" circa Hillary). His own FBI director and deputy director have been talking about it for years now.
Bondi is focused on the wrong thing. We don't want - nor should we ever be allowed - to see the purported 10,000 hours of videos of child pornography, etc. But those women, whether underage or of consenting age, may have all been under duress and indentured servants. We don't require transparency; we want accountability.
Why?
Because Maxwell is in prison for trafficking women. To whom!?
It's not believable that she only trafficked girls/women for Epstein himself. No one thinks there is some client list that Epstein kept as a word file on his Apple Newton. We simply suspect that THERE WERE CLIENTS. So, who were the adult men (or women)?
So far, many wins for us, but this administration must do better at telling the truth. We have less than two years. If we lose the House, it's impeachment every day for a further two years.
Dear Executive Branch, if there is nothing, then show us what you found to prove that. If there are contacts, intel, powerful people that must be protected for the sake of national security, THEN SAY SO. TELL US. Prosecute where you can, bring justice where it is needed and tell us the damn truth about WHY you are doing it this way. Because to dismiss serious crimes as old news or to treat the American voter as too stupid to be given at least an explanation into why information is withheld is a good way to send this country into further ruin than what Kamala might have caused.
Finally, we need to see at least SOME video: specifically, two or three clips from different nights from the jail where Epstein was held showing the same one-minute gap at the same time each night. Bondi opened her mouth about it; it shouldn’t be too hard to scare up two or more nights here and there to support her claim.
And if it's true, they reset themselves every night at the same time (because they still use VHS extended-play tapes, apparently?) then wouldn't that be a good time to execute a Michael Clayton-style killing to silence someone?
Or better yet, a good time for a jail break with inside help? How come no one has ever escaped this area, knowing that they won't be seen on camera during that time? In what sort of genius government-designed labyrinth was he held?
Tell the truth, Trump administration. And if you can't tell the truth, just tell us why. We're understanding. We don't burn, loot or kill when we get answers we don't like. We go back to work the next day with the apparently asinine hopes of getting answers.
We are truth seekers. We put you back into power, President Trump. Please don’t make us regret it.
"she laid binders of nothingness in their hands after they were invited to the White House under false pretenses" YES!! It was something a person in jr. high would do. Plus, didn't the pages turn out to be blank?
There are those who are wanting Bondi to be replaced with Matt Gaetz.
I haven't heard anything like that per se, but wouldn't that be so Trumpian of him? When my wife told me that Gaetz had been nominated for AG, I laughed out loud, mainly because of all the jet wash the Dems would be trying to recover from by Trump just saying Gaetz's' name. I knew there was no way a firebrand like him would get confirmed, but I looked forward to the five-alarm chili the Dems and their partners-in-crime were all going to be crapping out every hour on synchronized media. Trump is a master of the bob-and-weave and the rope-a-dope, even if he is is sloppy with it at times. He's learned a lot from his first term. He is an expert at asking for Mars, then allowing his opponent to negotiate him down to The Moon, which is what he wanted in the first place. Maybe that's what is happening here.
Among the many observable problems I see with Bondi is that she seems to love talking to the camera more than actual indicting criminals and serving justice.
The thing about Bondi being replaced was/is on X. Yes! Watching people go apoplectic is funny. Gaetz didn't have the votes, but someone suggested a way Gaetz could be chosen without votes.
You made an interesting comment. This is my take on Trump. I believe God allowed Trump the 4 years between his two terms in order to make him wiser. We get wiser when we go through difficulties. He chose totally the wrong people during his first term, but masterful now.
I have been in situations where I negotiated deals and I LOVED it. I got a high from it. There were times I walked away from a deal when I knew they would come back, and they did every time. I'm positive Trump gets a high in negotiating.
I was thinking about something regarding Trump last night. He has a quality I don't have. He is capable of being called all sorts of things (and he them), but he really doesn't seem to hold grudges. If someone treated me, or anyone I love, the way some (Musk) treated him, I would never, ever speak to them again, much less doing them a favor. Just recently, Musk was awarded a $200M contract with the Pentagon. You know Trump could have stopped it, but didn't.
The worst part of that debacle (which originally had zero to do with Epstein) is that there was a cover page STATING that all it contained was already publicly available, however, before the journalists could open the binder, they were ushered out back where MSM types were waiting. There was a lot of gloating by the “new media” gang , crowing about the special access they’d gotten. So they leave, see the cover page, and suddenly get a message from the WH embargoing the binder contents until further notice.
So MSM and some of them start splashing photos all pver the internet, the new media CANNOT SAY A WORD, expectations are skyrocketing. By the time they’re allowed to say, “Nothing new here,” they’re reps are in tatters.
Bondi really botched it horribly.
(Info per MK show of interview with one if the journalists.)
In three years Trump will not be president. No one will care what he did beyond owning the democrats for MAGA because protecting Trump and owning the Dems have become their political ambitions.
One point that I simply do not understand about this whole matter is Attorney General Bondi saying on February 21, 2025 that the Epstein client list was "sitting on my desk right now to review" whereas she now says that no such list exists. Over the past week when asked about this apparent contradiction Bondi responded with anger and misdirection, not a plausible explanation. Can someone please resolve the logical conflict in Bondi's statements?
You are correct. This will end Maga. It's toxic waste and Trump is mishandling it badly.
Not only is this not a nothingburger, it's going to detonate like a hundred atom bombs on a single target. It's going to be hammered from Carlson to Rogan. Elon Musk will drive this home with an AI-powered electrical jackhammer.
Trump is calling his supporters weaklings and stupid and declaring he wants nothing to do with them. Trump looks guilty and involved as it's possible to be.
he's known to like much younger women, to party with them, and Epstein is exactly the kind of guy Trump would be besties with.
Hes a man who has nothing to lose he is not running so he can do whatever he wants and nothing can stop him. He made the GOP his bitch and they outright fear him because of his power. This is why checks and balances must be restored but neither party wants to do it because they envy the day they will be in power so they can do the exact same thing.
Wrong. This is like the ridiculous idea that a miscue by him will “have the walls closing in”. If you believe this is accurate I am astonished how gullible you are.
Trump was born & raised in NY. He was a Democrat. He was always referred to as "Mr. New York." EVERYONE knew Trump and the elites held onto his coat tails because he donated to them. He most definitely knew Epstein.
This whole thing started because of Elon Musk posting "Trump is on the Epstein list." He would have zero way to know if there was a list, but he did it to make Trump appear to be a pedo.
Amusing to see people think that they can wave a magic wand and make this go away, like by a royal decree. Trump badly played this, time will tell how bad.
The problem is that it is way more than the "list," it's all the financial and other intel links that they want to keep hidden.
Interesting and painful to see the limits of democracy. How will the People react? How much truth and transparency can we expect and demand?
I'm concerned enough to call it out, but I'm not about burning it down... yet.
I think the way that Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, and now President Trump has handled the Epstein case is a gift to the Democrats. I have been a very strong supporter of President Trump. Voted for him three times. I have great respect and admiration for all the things he survived including the assassination attempts. I have prayed for this President as well as his wife and family. I believe he has been amazing since Inauguration Day. I think he will be remembered as one of America’s greatest Presidents. I don’t think that the Epstein files will implicate President Trump of any wrongdoing. The prosecutor for Ghislaine Maxwell was the daughter of Corrupt AG James Comey.She had access to the Epstein Files. If ther was any suspicion of Trump wrongdoing she would have leaked this to end Trumps 2024 campaign. That did not happen. One of several reasons people voted for Trump is that he would go after the Deep State corruption. Rich and powerful men who sex trafficked and exploited minor girls is part of this. Patel and Bongino wrote books and made money off of this issue of corruption including Epstein. A few months back Bondi stated she had many files filled with appalling details about the treatment of minor girls. She said details would be made public after a thorough review to protect the victims. So how the administration is behaving now does not jive at all with the above. People are not stupid. I still believe in the promise that all Americans deserve justice. Justice for these girls. Justice for the predators. One girl committed suicide. She and her family deserve justice. I have enormous admiration for President Trump. But I still believe right is right and wrong is wrong. This is not a hoax as the President has recently said. I also still believe that real men are charged with the responsibility to protect those unable to protect themselves. Even if it’s someone you don’t know. And that is especially true when it involves defenseless little girls.
The CIA, Mossad, and MI6 have been, for a long time, supporting many "ops" around the world whose purpose is to secure embarrassing information on anyone with power, money, or influence. This could be anything from morally objectional conduct up to criminal conduct.
And they have succeeded in getting dirt on thousands of people. From countries all over the world, not just the west. Friends and foes.
It could be anything. Epstein used kids. Others use adults, homosexuals & lesbians, gambling, drugs - whatever is most embarrassing or troublesome in the home countries of the "victims."
The greatest "honeypot" plot ever.
This BTW explains why so many people do about faces (I'm looking at you Speaker Johnson and Justice Roberts) They go to a meeting full of piss & vinegar and come back very docile...
And Bondie et al have the information in its entirety now. Others like Dershowitz (maybe Musk) have some of it but only the insiders have the whole kahuna.
And they are protecting... Not the "victims" of the stings, some of which deserve anonymity and some of which do not - but rather the system itself.
The system.
Because, how do you admit a cabal of your own CIA / FBI / DOJ / State department ??? as well as foreign actors in the same capacities have been setting up and blackmailing anyone and everyone they can?
You don't. You can't. You would destroy diplomatic relations all over the world.
Furthermore, you can't be sure they have stopped. You probably don't even know who is running these ops, how much money they have, and how much of the embarrassing information the cells possess.
And what do you do? Short of shooting every bastard you catch, how can you make a dint in this? And every time you do, you get hit with more kompromat.
Hey Granny, are you done celebrating Israel’s bombing the Catholic Church yet? The Jews intentionally killed three at the church today. Including a friend of the pope. Anti-Catholics like you rejoice in it.
I go to Mass daily and stay for Rosary after. Today I prayed that both us be enlightened by what Jesus wants. Sorry for my antagonistic reply yesterday.
What an awesome reply! I accept your apology and am so grateful! I also pray the Rosary daily and am trying to get in the groove with daily Mass again. Appreciate the nudge!🙏🏼
All Trump has to do is have his DOJ conduct a REAL investigation into where Jeff’s $ came from (so suddenly), who he was working for (if anyone) and why he ran a child sex ring for the rich and elite.
Forget the ‘lists’. Just do an investigation and give us the results.
The godfather of MAGA (IMO) is Steve Bannon. And he stated at Turning Point last week that ‘Epstein is the key that picks the lock on so many things - not just individuals but also institutions’
Now Trump is calling this the ‘Jeffrey Epstein Hoax’ I do not appreciate being gaslit by the Left. And I certainly don’t like it when my POTUS does the same.
Trump said today he doesn’t want/need supporters any longer that are still interested in talking about Epstein. So, I like a lot of Trump’s policies but I guess I’m no longer a supporter. And whoever Don might hand the baton to, if that person has the same view, then I’ll not vote for them.
Yes, this is a wedge issue. Because protection of the rich/elite is no longer permitted by a portion of MAGA.
Protection of who? Trump is protecting who? Biden was protecting Trump?? Epstein ran a hedge fund/S&P index fund for the rich and famous with side benefits. Everyone says "child sex ring", but it looks more to me like 16-18YO's (still a crime for older men in some states but not in ALL states as some have the age of consent at 16). Are we talking 16-18y/o or 8-12y/o (younger??)? (probably have to call the cartels for the real child action that we all pretend didn't happen at the border).
I have found it to be SO interesting that people have their panties in a wad over the Epstein files "because of the children", have said absolutely nothing about the estimated 350,000 missing children & 100,000 missing women being raped, killed and trafficked due to the Biden/Harris open border.
I'm convinced (so far) that people are really just looking for Trump's name. Any Epstein files would have been held by Biden. If there were files, you can be sure the Dems would have let it be known to stop Trump's run for POTUS.
No no no. It’s about blackmail and shadowy influence on some of the most powerful people in the country. Potentially influencing economic and foreign policy. The victimization of children is horrifying and ought to be punished. Justice needs to be served. But the main issue is the potential major capture of our ruling class by foreign and/or domestic intelligence.
Yeah but that’s purely speculation mostly garnered and rounded up from influencers and podcasters speculating for years, who gave opinions or positions without evidence.
Once a position is repeated over and over again most people assume it was fact even though credible data hasn’t been presented.
Epstein's original sweetheart deal in 2008 comes prominently to mind.
For instance, it beggars belief that, considering Epstein's high profile friends, either the intelligence agencies, with all their surveillance powers and manifest disregard for civil rights, either knew of Epstein's extracurricular activities and did nothing, not even warn Epstein's politician friends that this is maybe someone not to be seen getting too chummy with.
Either that or they didn't know, which means that they are really really clueless. I mean, I was aware of Epstein and his antics, and I'm a cat!
Let the implications of that sink in.
That’s not true. It’s not purely speculation. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence *that we know of and that is verified * including: many many hidden cameras in Epsteins residences, strong connections with billionaires (Leslie Wexner and Robert Maxwell) who have very strong ties to Israel. Leslie Wexner has a foundation dedicated to Israel and Israel gave Robert Maxwell what amounts to a state funeral for the highest dignitary. It is well known that Robert Maxwell was involved with Mossad. There is no evidence that Epstein acquired his money through the stated means of being a financier.
Yeah. If Trump is implicated, we would have seen the evidence by now. But he may be protecting his friends/political allies, esp Israel.
How about all the young children being castrated in the name of "gender affirming care".
It’s about the Deep State mostly. And the ‘children’ that could have been used by that Deep State to advance blackmail over current politicians and world leaders.
The missing children is all part of the same reason I voted for Trump- transparency & accountability.
100% This.
Yes, thank you for mentioning that.
All your questions are the point, Orenv. Do a real investigation on this 20+ year story and put the whole thing to rest. Let’s even put Maxwell on the stand.
Who knows if Maxwell would tell the truth?
I don’t even understand why Maxwell is in prison. There were no clients named in her trial. How can there be victims that sends someone to prison for 20 years without clients?
Ghislaine Maxwell remains in prison because she was convicted of sex trafficking and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking in connection with Jeffrey Epstein's sexual abuse of underage girls. She is currently serving a 20-year sentence at the Federal Correctional Institution in Tallahassee, Florida.
Maxwell's legal team has appealed her conviction and sentence, arguing that a non-prosecution agreement Epstein had with federal prosecutors in Florida should have protected her from prosecution. However, a federal appeals court rejected this argument, stating that the agreement only applied to prosecutors in Southern Florida and not to those in New York where Maxwell was tried. Maxwell's lawyers have indicated they intend to appeal this decision to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Who did she sex traffic ‘for’? I.e. who paid and benefited for sex w/ underage girls. That’s the missing element that makes her trial a sham.
Think about when a teacher gets charged/convicted of sex with underage students. How come we know both victim and bad teacher. But in this case of serving up underage sex for elite/wealthy were told it’s a Hoax?
I don’t think her case specifically said ‘underage girls’ it wouldn’t be able to without proof and witness testimony, including from the victims.
I thought it was said as sex trafficking of women to Epstein.
Also, if Maxwell had anything credible on anyone in power Dem or Republican, she would have said so to reduce her sentence.
Maxwell is not expected to ever tell the truth. That is why she is not already 6 ft under.
I heard Charlie Kirk explain that all the young people are really mad because they believe the Epstein case is the “skeleton key” ( he used that phrase several times) to unlocking the whole deep state. They are just trying to get Trump to understand that.
I admire the work Charlie Kirk has done with young people, but this hysteria over the Epstein files shows how naive a lot of people are. This is the opportunity to take down the deep state? Everybody but Trump sees that?
I think there are a lot of bad actors taking advantage of naive people, whipping up hysteria over Epstein. Some of the commenters here confirm my opinion that there is another agenda here. Israel did it!
I’m not ‘young’ and I’m unhappy w/ how it’s been handled. I would say how it’s been handled (so far) by Trump is treating me like I’m a toddler ;)
Mike Benz cogently explained to Kirk 2 days ago that Epstein was most likely a freelance financial fixer for covert deals of the kind intel agencies engage in. He was also a pervert, but the girls and parties werre primarily used to attract rich men and juice the deals. He likely was not a blackmailer as that would have madee him useless as a dealmaker. It's possible however some of his surveillance material could have been used by intel in selected cases but his businesss was not that. Marc Rich was another such fixer -- Clinton pardoned him. This is not the kind of story the leader of a country ccan say because they all do these deals from time to time. Like Iran Contra where Epstein was apparently the money bundler for the arms dealer Khashoggi.
Epstein was accused of trafficking girls as young as 12 years old.
"Accused" was it proven? I think Epstein just liked teenagers, and Maxwell would get them for him, maybe join in. Why would they tell anyone else that? "Uh hey, Bill Gates, did you know that I fly underage girls to my private island for sex? Do you want to join me? Then you can hire me to invest your money?" That's not how things work.
Again I ask. Where are the girls moms? This is a ho ring.
Dershowitz claims some of the girl ‘victims’ were also groomers.
"All Trump has to do is have his DOJ conduct a REAL investigation into where Jeff’s $ came from (so suddenly), who he was working for (if anyone) and why he ran a child sex ring for the rich and elite."
Have you considered maybe they did and found...Nothing?
BTW underage 15-16-17-18 young women is not quite the same as a child sex ring.. When I see a child sex ring I'm thinking 9-10-11-12 year old.
I also heard that the victims received a billion dollar payout from the estate. That should be a form of justice all of it's own.
What 'victims'? Just the ones that have spoken out? What about the rest of the girls? or were there any? Who were the clients?
Isn’t sexual exploitation & trafficking of or sex with a minor (under 18) is all illegal, whether pedophilia (prepubescent) or pederasty (post-pubescent) illegal?
Wow- extremely interesting! Thanks for explaining this…
This is why I said this
What We Did to Pedophiles In Prison? Ep17
https://youtu.be/zkGF_8SegT8?t=856
Ex Jewel Thief Larry Lawton spent 11 years in prison and now helps people make better decisions and fights for prison reform.
In other words there are Pedophiles, and then there are Pedophiles. If you know what I mean.
Exactly right, Matt. Thanks for not backing down in the face of gaslighting and elite privilege.
If there were no files, why didn't the DoJ just tell us back in 2017? Why did Bondi claim in February to have the files "on her desk"? Why did Vance and others call for their release a month ago?
There are files, there is no "list". The files contain video of child porn- that's not going to be released. The files include the names of victims- that's not going to be released. And, here's where all the dust up is, the files contain the names of people who associated with Epstein. People want that released. That's the "list" in their minds. But, just because you know a criminal, doesn't mean you participated in his crimes, or knew about them. How many neighbors have said things like "I never would have suspected. He seemed like such a nice young man. He kept to himself." So, no, they are also not going to release the list of people who knew Epstein, because it would ruin those people's lives, and it is also against the law for the government to impugn the reputation of private citizens without charging them with a crime.
Also. Bondi claimed to have a "list" on her desk.
https://archive.is/cfsWH#selection-1585.0-1585.64
The flight logs and his little black book already arre in the public domain. There is more they release like his ties to intel and evidence presented to the Maxwell jury if judgee agrees to release. Also some record of evidence seized
Um, your understanding of law is entirely wrong.
You completely delude yourself if you think the “resolution” of the Epstein files will actually have any REAL effect on the rich and powerful.
I supported Trump in November. I continue to support Trump. We need to focus on the border and other critical issues. Epstein is a distraction and waste of time.
PH, are you familiar with the Church Committee (1975)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
Many of us in MAGA feel the need for another Church Committee is long overdue. And revealing on Epstein could spark it.
Interesting. Musk said Bannon was a liar when he said his black eye was caused by a fight.
Good point.
Trump misread this one, but MAGA is in no danger of going anywhere. We'll still support him. He needs to appoint a special prosecutor immediately. Someone like Matt Goetz and get to the bottom of the swamp. It's not about Epstein, it's about the Elites being above the law.
Good take, R H.
Steve Bannon. A Legend In His Own Mind! He's Really Fantastic, just ask him.
He didn't get money suddenly. This was over years and he was a stockbroker. Among other things.
Me thinks Maxwell inherited lots of dough from her Dad, and loads of his came from the Israeli Treasury. A real investigation could confirm or deny this.
Epstein wasn't a stock broker.
https://www.mjr.news/p/jeffrey-epsteins-first-criminal-conviction
At times, he claimed to be a tax strategist, but he wasn't working on behalf of a law firm, which means that no attorney client privilege would apply. Moreover, there aren't any tax loopholes not known to the profession as a whole, nothing that would justify such outlandish fees.
You need to listen to Mike Benz. Epstein structured covert deals in such a way they evaded notice by regulators and the public so in that sense he was.
That's different from tax advisory. Ima call bullshit.
I'm going from memory but, as I recall he didn't say he didn't want/need supporters any longer.....didn't he call them weak or something?
Trump said he didn’t want my support anymore. Here’s his statement today:
“I have had more success in 6 months than perhaps any President in our Country’s history, and all these people want to talk about, with strong prodding by the Fake News and the success starved Dems, is the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax,” he wrote. “Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support anymore!”
So Trump’s nose is out of joint because attention is being pulled away from him and placed on the Epstein case?
12d chess - just wait
Why didn’t Biden do that?
A question, if I may...if Jeffery Epstein is an asset to one or more foreign intelligence agencies (a quiet popular theory, at the moment), what benefit would there be in making that association public? By doing so, you remove all diplomatic leverage, burn any counter-intelligence opportunities and force potential associates and collaborators of Epstein underground. Long term failure for short term satisfaction is never a good policy.
Great question, Robert. IMO, publicizing Epstein intel association would lead to much greater intel oversight and regulation. As it would show intel bodies were ‘okay’ with supporting a teen sex trafficker for the powerful. We’d get another Church Committee, likely. And the intel masters that went along with the scheme would be blackballed and removed. We might also find out events or decisions influenced by the scheme. More secrets = less freedom. More truth = greater freedom.
This is a nothing burger. Most of the details are already out there from the court cases. If you believe that Joe Biden was protecting DJT, I have some swampland in FL to sell you. The guy was running an S&P 500 index fund dressed up like a hedge fund (sexy..). He had impressionable girls willing to live the high life and share themselves with the rich and famous. At least one of the UK Royal family was caught in this. Some of them were "underage", but maybe not in Alabama. This side entertainment kept the vibes going and the big whigs entertained. The oldest story in the book. The client ID's are under court seal and can't be released by Trump or Bondi, but could be requested by the media under FOIA. It really isn't fair to allow publishing of "lists" that may very well be made up without cross examination and identifying the accusers (who may have been underage and just might not want to be identified).
You are 100% correct. Whatever material is in the "files" has already been pored over and probably corrupted by Biden's DOJ, since they had everything for the past 5 years. People have already been legally protected and/or paid off. Bondi will release anything that is still credible, as DJT promised. He's only calling this a "hoax" because it's a big distraction and he's upset that people are still talking about it. This is being way over-analyzed.
Ie shutup and follow your lord and master.
Remember when Hillary took a sledge hammer to her unsecured computer and then poured bleach over it to get rid of 30,000 emails? Once on the Internet, they would have stayed there, yet no one has ever delved into finding out what the emails contained.
I think Sasha’s essay tonight is about ‘pressure testing’ whether MAGA remains pissed about the Administration placing the Epstein investigation into a round file.
This is likely to occur across social media for a while.
100%
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If its a nothing burger why then GOP blocked congress from forcing the files to be released?
The Dems were using a delaying tactic to stop the vote on the rescissions package. The GOP wasn't going to play. It had nothing to do with blocking the release of the files. MTG explained this very well in a post on X.
Give me a break they blocked it because they are following Trumps orders. He has made them so afraid of him because of his power to get rid of them.
Just keep tossing that speculation around like candy. Maybe someday you’ll have your own horde of vapid followers to stroke the ego and pat your head. Good boy!
The congress can't compel release. Talk to the Judge in NYC.
Clearly you do not know congressional powers.
They cannot unseal court records. They can do a FOIA and get the judge to release it. But it might still be redacted as some of the people named might have been minors. Should unsubstantiated accusations be released?? Without the accusers named to establish credibility??
They can compel and records that the president has to release it. You should know better because we been down this path with Nixon and unless the Supreme court want to rewrite that power to which we would have a total dictatorship at that point congress can compel and force its release.
It is not the Presidents record to release. The President didn't create it. These are court records. Talk to the Judge.
Great point, HL3.
https://x.com/repluna/status/1945223846585622659?s=61
The files don’t matter, Dena. The point is for the DOJ to do a full investigation of Epstein sudden rise to power/ wealth, why he flipped from math teacher to teen/pre teen pimp to the wealthy elite, and who he was working for. Alexander Acosta was ‘told’ to go light on Jeff during his’08 plea deal because he was intel. There’s so much smoke and so little curiosity by Trump and his DOJ.
Epstein was never in Trumps top 20 campaign promises. He’s not stupid, though it appears he misread the importance of the Epstein case to his supporters. Bondi botched the communication on it to the public several times ramping up expectations & again with the binders. Why is a mystery - she’s not stupid. Trump has said that he wants her to release everything relevant to the case. It’s in her court as head of DOJ. Starting with the release of Acosta’s case would be a good place to start. But the Biden administration has had 4 years to doctor up & shred anything damaging to certain people, so I doubt there’s much there there. Here are Trump’s top campaign promises: https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1945695015638110646?s=61
Draining the swamp was a BIG part of Trump’s appeal to voters like me. And Epstein was likely involved in some serious international Deep State business and deals. That is what you call the swamp. And Trump doesn’t want anything to do with draining this particular part of it.
Yes, she is in fact stupid. She was a mediocre lawyer who barely practiced before being plucked up by the powers that be forr optics due to her looks. She's Kamala for Rs. It was also very poor judgment to release when she did the sketchy unsigned memo.
So who is keeping the official list of Trump's Top 20 Campaign Promises?
Wasn’t that report about what Acosta said heresy? A third party report who claimed he said it.
The ‘pre teen / teen pimp implication is hyperbolic.
That’s not what happened.
Yes it did and they did it twice once in a committee vote and once open floor so liar.
Check this out loser. More where that came from. As usual the dems we’re playing games & lost. https://x.com/grok/status/1945228484814758028?s=46
No reason to name call, Dena. That is what the Left so often does when they are not n the losing end of a logical argument 🤷
I didn’t appreciate being called a liar.
Then why didnt GOP bring it up before oh right because Trump told them not to.
Trump does not have the Epstein files. The DOJ does but the are restricted by past judgements of the courts. I want to know where are all these girls, now women, who were trafficked. Hundreds of them? I doubt it that many but if so, only 1 or 2 have come forward. Strange. Alan Dershowitz his former attorney says there was never a list. He should know. Finally, you can’t release everything because there will be people injured by it who may have never participated in raping these girls.
Actually the real Epstein files are in the CIA.
Thank you for this. Now, I don't have to write it before I finish my first coffee of the day. :-)
Most of the details are not out there, silly. Victims who accepted settlement money from one of the victims funds set up by the Dersh's buddy David Bose had to SIGN A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT! If you cannot smell a rat here you are utterly delusional.
So the records are sealed by the court??
"Most of the details are already out there from the court cases." ABSOLUTELY!
I know the name of the UK guy. I'll find it later and tell you.
Prince Andrew?
YES!
I enjoy Sasha’s work but I’m not gonna just “rah rah” because I voted for someone. The FBI Director, Deputy Director, DNI, and even the President’s son have all made repeated statements that there is something to see. I take them at their word. Let’s also not forget that the President promised to release the MLK,JFK, and RFK files and hasn’t delivered. He has continued to carry water for the IDF and now is resuming weapons to Ukraine. He bombed Iran and has only made token attempts on immigration and especially deportation. They could’ve come to thousands of small towns in the South and filled up every detention center in this country within ZERO protest, instead they started a bunch of foolishness in LA to poke Newsom and Bass. He folded to Wall St and China on tariffs. I don’t regret my choice bc I do believe Officer Harris would’ve been worse, but we re not sheep. Boot on the neck until it’s released, and every representative should consider carefully their position as the midterms will be here soon.
"only made token attempts on immigration and especially deportation"????
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever gone fishing? If so, did you fish where you knew there were a lot of fish or did you fish where it was known to have less fish?
We are in CA. We LOVE what ICE is doing!! Living in CA is like living in a cesspool. Illegals have far more rights than legals. They get free EVERYTHING. A woman who lived 1 mile from us was brutally murdered in her bed during the middle of the night and nearly decapitated her.
I understand and I’m not saying that they don’t need to go or anything of the sort. What I am saying is that if you’re truly trying to resolve a problem, you start with the easiest and work your way to the most difficult. There are thousands of small towns all over the south that have school buses full of illegals at their local Walmart every Saturday and Sunday. They could be rounded up and deported without riots, and with cooperation of the state governments. They won’t do that bc of all the Republican farmers who have no desire to let go of their slave class. They went for the photo op, that never projects sincerity. Be well friend.
I was born, raised, live, will die and be buried in CA. I'm a second generation Californian. Our farmers are NOT Republican. Trump has already stated he loves farmers and wants to find a way for the illegals who have no "history" to find a path to keep them.
The "farms" that were just raided ..... they donated to Newsom no less than twice to Newsom for $1,250 twice (I have a copy of the proof), but it has been said it was $10,000. The raid found 10 (9?) "unaccompanied" minors.
I have done a deep dive into Bass during the fires. Bass is a Communist. She was not only supportive of Fidel Castro, she was in a Brigade.
Bass was on Biden's list of DEI VP picks. Obama told Biden to pick Harris as VP and Bass as mayor. Bass had too much "baggage" to select as VP.
Newsom is THE worst Governor in CA's history. We tried to recall Newsom. George Soros funded the NO on recall and I have documented proof. Newsom destroyed San Francisco and went on to destroy CA.
As far as your fishing metaphor, I typically don’t fish in rapids, I head for still waters. There are just as many illegals in Texas, but they didn’t go there at that level, bc they wanted to make Newsom and Bass look bad, make LA look like a war zone, and stay tied up in court without doing very much. I can hear the President now blaming “activist judges” and “woke mayors and governors” for the administration’s failures.
Have you considered this: a CEO of a corporation rarely spends any time with his executives. Short of a monthly (or so) meeting to discuss the progression of the business. In these meetings, the CEO relates his expectations, his execs accept their responsibilities and the expectations are that the execs will progress with the directives.
Looking at that through a lens only directed at the Trump administration. Let’s consider the same scenario. Trump is doing a lot of traveling and conducting a great many meetings with high and elected officials, meeting with them at the Whitehouse. He had meetings with his staff, transparent BTW, to discuss his plans, and progress. President Trump has been very adamant that his administration be as transparent as humanly possible. That’s the expectation Bondi, Patel, and Bongino each had as they began transitioning into their positions. In the beginning, each entered their positions with many pre conceived beliefs about Government Agencies. Of course they were media darlings and perhaps they genuinely still believed in what they thought was the truth and openly championed the idea that they were going to expose all of it. Additionally, by going so public they were indeed promoting President Trump’s transparency directive. Perhaps when they got down into the weeds of the documentation the truth was much different than the conspiracy.
That the American public have the expectation that our president, no matter who he is, has his hand on the pulse of every single department under his office is completely absurd. And the final thing I will say is that it should be highly suspect that MAGA and Republicans would not see this sudden surge of like mindedness coming from the left s highly suspicious. Really, you think they just woke up last week and decided the right was no longer the Nazi’s they’ve been accusing us of being for nigh on 10 years now. This is all wrong and we will butting off our nose to spite our face if we don’t put a stop to this right now
Have you considered that you sound very much like an apologist for whatever the President wants to do with no opinion of your own?
CEO or no, possibly his best quality is having his pulse on his base, so yeah, he knows this isn’t going away. His dogged determination to shut it down is quite suspect.
As far as “the left” suddenly wanting it for cynical reasons, GOOD! I don’t change my opinion simply because people I don’t personally like suddenly agree with me. Consider how childish that sounds. If Democrats suddenly become pro deportation, pro American manufacturing, etc, etc., am I supposed to switch views?!?!
Can you point me to another writer, influencer, or at the very least another commenter who shared the possibility I just proposed? I’m certain I came to this possibility all on my own. Further, you cannot possibly know what I consider acceptable or unacceptable views or actions of President Trump. I do agree that his strongest quality has been having his hands on the pulse of his base. Which I believe gives more credence, not less, to my assessment of this situation. He’s trying to broker peace between 4 no 5 different countries. At the same time as working tirelessly to bring manufacturing back to the US. And further insisting that the illegal immigrants go the hell home. And doing all of this, ALL OF THIS, while being dragged continually through the mud by the left, the media, and now even his base.
I appreciate you disagree with me. Yet calling me an apologist giving him a pass on anything and everything is unnecessary at least and certainly unkind.
They have actually come to several towns in Alabama. It just hasn’t made the national news or social media.
Many of those people you mentioned said things when they were podcasters or were in political arenas of opposition to the previous party in power. Many used their platforms and media to say things to create outrage, to smear opposition (including the deep state), to bring eyeballs to their podcasts and to create a contrarian narrative.
I believe Patel and Bongino now while still understanding where there were and what was said during the previous 4 years.
So what you are saying is these are extremely media savvy folks, who used candor and transparency to build trust. I agree. So it stands to reason that Patel and Bongino at the very least have to know how that “he killed himself” hostage tape looked. Bongino has how many years of Murdoch family media training and he comes off looking Officer Harris on 60 minutes before the edit?! Look at the promises Patel made on Shawn Ryan’s show. It’s ok to not fulfill it and there may be a reason, but there is NO reason not to explain to the American ppl why. There is also no reason for the President to come off angry like Joe Biden every time the subject is broached. They convict themselves with their actions.
I listen to Megyn Kelly, Benny Johnson and VDH- and I think they are completely sincere and fair in their commentary regarding this. The latest Rasmussen reflects it too. While Trump’s base loves what he’s doing everywhere else, we are absolutely bewildered about this for many reasons.
I don't have that much interest in the so called Epstein files. Your take about paid influencers wanting more clicks seems spot.on. There's much more important stuff for the regular people to focus on, like our own lives and local issues. Straight up.
Yes! 1,000,000%
The desire to conceal proves malfeasance. By somebody over something. I want the swamp drained like was promised and I DGAF what bodies are gonna come up. If it takes another Jan6 to release these files so be it.
I'm not sure it PROVES malfeasance, but it certainly could lead to people thinking that. To have complained about Democrats (and others ) handling of Epstein, then say"the files are on my desk" in a TV Interview, then say, there's nothing here...that definitely wasn't handled well. I know they're super busy but, something like, "we thought there was more, and I may have spoken too soon, I apologize..." it's all %&^$- ya know? So, they screwed it up (Bondi and co) and they're human too after all. Yes, they should release more if they can, like Trump said.
So, I think that what is in the files is not the point. I think that we’re sick and tired of being sick and tired of the lack of answers and/or truths to questions we have swirling around our reasonable minds. Who at the FBI had hands on Hunter’s laptop and who stopped the FBI from stating its legitimacy when the infamous letter materialized? Who leaked the intelligence assessment memo on the Iran bombing? Who leaked the Supreme Court draft? Who drove the wet market bus and why? Who drove policy at the White House and ran our country? Why are there Russiagate criminals, but no prisoners? I could go on and on and that’s part of this problem. My anger isn’t just about Epstein, it’s about answers because I believed answers were coming. They told me so and then Bondi pricked the balloon and I’m left feeling that it’s more of the same old dance. On top of it all, my hero doesn’t like me and insults me when I’m thinking he’s not understanding the issue here. And the issue here is that we’re sick and tired of being sick and tired of the extreme lack of accountability for a whole bunch of bad actors. No, this ain’t just about the Epstein files. Far from it.
Well stated, Bill. We were promised a swamp drain but 6-month’s in it sure looks like the Deep State remains firmly in charge.
Seriously?!? The Deep State has been growing for probably about 100 years now. And you’re demanding that the entire thing be dismantled in six months time?
Get a grip!
It truly meets the definition of too big to fail...
That’s it. Influencers didn’t cause this, neither did MAGA. This mess lies first at the feet of Bondi and Patel who apparently approved the release of the FBI Memo to Axios (of all media,) stepping right on the neck of Trump’s historic wins from the prior week.
That’s #1. #2 is DJT dissing us for questioning that move and the content of the memo without so much as an explanation then to make it even worse, starts a brand new conspiracy theory (the Russiagate people created the Epstein Hoax!) to shame us into putting the old one to bed! And excuse me, but as for “conspiracy theories,” didn’t we JUST learn that Lee Harvey Oswald indeed WASN’T the lone shooter????
I agree with VDH- this isn’t about Epstein and it isn’t going away. It’s much bigger than Epstein.
And as for Dems using it to their advantage, it’s a pathetic joke, yes, but well, the President has himself to blame for that!
Yes, indeed. Of that list--who was running the presidency the last admin is a much bigger story. The damage from that is still being calculated and is / will be monumental. I bet it will show that yes--was totally externally operated. I doubt ol' slo joe even picked what flavor of ice cream he would daily have. As for all the other items--it may be so bad--many of the key department officials now often look like they're making hostage videos when questioned about it....
hence we need to stop feeding the beast ffs.
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can anyone doubt, if there was ANY Trump dirt, the Obama/Obiden camps would have lawfared it, leaked it, used and abused it ?
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story is over. whatever dirt there is, the intelligence agencies of multiple countries have it. The End.
Yes, I can doubt. Because the clients of teens and pre teen sex victims likely span both sides of the aisle and may even extend to world leaders. A real investigation may even shatter the USA-Israel relationship.
good
Much needed.
SPOT ON!
To me the most interesting thing is the video of Dershowitz saying that he knows who is being protected in the Epstein case but can’t say because of an order from the judge who sealed the case files. Give Dersh a Biden-style comprehensive presidential pardon, and let / make him tall us everything he knows about Epstein.
Perhaps that’s the place to start, then, who is the judge that sealed the files? Let him tell us why the files can’t be unsealed; and then make him (he’s not a king) unseal them.
Then appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the whole damn Epstein saga, every aspect from Mosad and the CIA, to the Virgin Islands government, to the bankers, the properties, the source of his massive wealth, everyone that that took any kind of ride in any of Epstein’s planes, helicopters, boats, busses or cars.
While this is going on, the GOP needs to figure out to beat-down the well polished & well practiced Dem lying / media / propaganda / distraction / money laundering / election cheating / truth distortion / fear mongering machine.
A crisis is an opportunity - don’t let it go to waste.
If they think this is only about child trafficking and will only destroy Trump, MAGA and the GOP, they are more stupid than I imagined, and that is saying something.
What is the age of the "children"? We keep saying children, but what I have seen they were 16-18 which is the age of consent in some US States.
They were from toddlers to preteen. It was flagrant degeneracy. It involves cannibalism and ritualistic rape and sacrifice. It is the most God awful horror story you couldn’t even dream up.
Agreed. And Epstein and Maxwell weren’t the only ones from that community doing it.
It’s a sick epidemic. But this exposes the structure and nature of how it works. Many people are eager to know the how of , but the why is even more consequential.
Probably a lot of Les Wexner’s pre teen and teen Victoria Secret models and their friends? That’s a guess. But Les and Jeffrey were very very tight. Les gave Epstein power of attorney over him in 1991.
Yes, but that is still illegal as it should be.
But the crimes involved in this scandal are much more global, financial in nature. I think the sex scandal, as awful as it is, is mainly a smokescreen.
This story is not hard to understand if people would do some basic research. Epstein did not run a massive international ring of pedophiles. Epstein helped facilitate under-the-table financial deals between wealthy people and governments who ran operations that they wanted to keep from being traced back to them eg. Iran-Contra.
Epstein arranged meetings between influential people with money and government intelligence agencies. To help sweeten these deals, Epstein and Ghislaine recruited young women, some underage, to attend parties and make themselves available for sex. Epstein used women to help make deals happen, not to blackmail clients, which would have been bad for his business. Some of the women were underage but they were girls who could pass for being legal. People at these parties did not ask for IDs before engaging in sex. There are a lot of men who would have sex with a 16 year old who might be 18. There are very few men who would have sex with a nine year old.
The Epstein estate, JP Morgan, and Deutsche Bank have paid out about a half a billion dollars to women to settle civil lawsuits. This is why there have not been any criminal cases brought against Epstein's clients for statutory rape. The women involved have already settled their claims and been paid off.
There is no "client list", only affidavits of accusers, some of which are not accurate. The problem with releasing all the files is that some of the men named in affidavits are innocent and would have to clear their names of false accusations. Almost all of the people who were involved have already been named in the flight logs. It is very unlikely that there will be any further criminal prosecutions. The accusers have been paid and don't have much incentive to go through a long trial against powerful people that they would probably lose.
The Trump administration and particularly Pam Bondi have handled this case about as badly as possible. I think Bondi should be fired but Trump values loyalty in his AG above all else and he believes she is loyal.
Recent polls have shown a small decline in Trump's approval, but nothing dramatic. If the economy is doing well next year and the average person feels better about his financial situation, the Epstein case will be nothing but a footnote. Most people are not as obsessed with this case as the MAGA influencers.
Unfortunately many people have been lid to so often that they trust in nothing and therefore they will believe anything.
Your explanation makes sense, gsharper, - that the sex favors were to help seal /grease financial funding for covert activities. This fits what Benz is stating. It also would explain Jeff bragging about being ‘Mossad’ + Acosta using kid gloves in ‘08 plea because he was told Epstein was “an intel asset”
If there was no list why did Trump and his team say their was and hype it off... right because they wanted to use this against Democrats on the election and smother it when they felt it could be used against them.
Bondi is out of her depth and loves publicity which is why she staged the ridiculous binder fiasco. As I said she should be fired for her incompetence. There is no evidence that Epstein created a list for blackmail purposes or that he ever blackmailed anyone. The "list" that is referred to are the people in the flight logs and the people who have been named by accusers in the affidavits. Epstein did have a contact list that contained a number of people that he had business deals with but these are not people that necessarily ever did anything wrong.
She wont get fired nothing will happen they expect MAGA to fall in line like cultists because owning the left they think has become their mantra.
As I said, I don't think Bondi will be fired because Trump values her loyalty. MAGA influencers, for the most part, have not been "falling in line". They have been harshly critical and in some cases unreasonably so. There are a number of people on the right who are convinced that the Epstein case is part of a huge Jewish conspiracy to control the world. I think these people are nuts.
And he told them to leave or get in line and I think their hate of Democrats will make them fall in line.
Of course most of them will eventually. Trump's policies are infinitely preferable to those of the Democrats.
I'm definitely sick and tired of being lied to. I have lost faith in trusting anyone in politics. If Trump had released the JFK and MLK files, perhaps I could overlook the debacle of the Epstein case. The trust is fractured. Is the corruption so deep and the global elite too powerful for any real truth and change?
I think governments will always keep secrets and rich powerful people will always get away with things that the average person would not. I think most people realize this and although they don't particularly like it, will tolerate it as long as what the government is doing does not affect their personal lives.
I think almost everyone was aware that Clinton lied about his various sex scandals but a lot of people were willing to give him a pass because they thought his lies didn't affect them and removing him would cause more trouble than it was worth.
I think the lies about the origins and treatment of Covid and the lies about the fitness of Joe Biden for office were much more damaging because they directly affected the lives of millions of Americans. The lies were also so blatant and in your face that they couldn't be ignored. You are certainly not alone in having lost all faith and trust in what the government tells you. I'm not sure what it will take to bring a sense of trust back but I think if people feel their personal lives are improving, it will help.
I think there are aspects of Epstein's connections with intelligence agencies that will be kept secret because revealing them would damage our ability to conduct future foreign policy. But I don't think this means that the world is run by a secret club of demonic pedophiles.
Thank you for your response. I agree with what you wrote, on Epstein too.
How do you know all this- where is the evidence?
MAGA can simultaneously approve of Trump’s policies and implementation AND be angry at how he is handling this. That’s what people do not understand.
Nobody is asking to see Epstein’s Rolodex or his own Little Black Book containing minor girls names and adult men names.
It’s a known fact before and after the Ghislaine Maxwell trial that Epstein sex trafficked minor girls for exploitation by rich and powerful adult men. Maxwell aided in this and is doing 20 years prison time. A great deal of evidence was presented in this trial.
There are known people who molested minor girls. It’s not critical, and nobody is asking for Epstein’s Rolodex or Little Black Book.
You are 1000% correct on all
points.
Sorry Sasha when you have a president who tells people who think Epstein are being covered up are now Democrat supporters and he doesn't need them anymore that is cult worshiping. You are supporting a cult like it or not. This horseshit Trump has done has been done before by other GOP. Changing and rewriting history to distort the facts now he saying Democrats wrote the Epstein files.
when democrats embrace facts related to Russiagate Covid or Joe Biden then we can talk about GOP being a cult
Indeed
Yesterday’s Rasmussen release directly runs counter to this claim.
The way President Trump and AG Pam Bondi are handling the Epstein debacle case is wrongheaded, and it's colossally stupid for Trump to let something like this derail us in the midterms.
He should have let Bondi face the music in the cabinet meeting. She overpromised, underdelivered, and even ambushed several online conservatives when she laid binders of nothingness in their hands after they were invited to the White House under false pretenses.
It was a foolish reaction from Trump to dismiss the reporter's question as if it was old news. That's an evasive Democrat tactic ("At this point, what difference does it make?" circa Hillary). His own FBI director and deputy director have been talking about it for years now.
Bondi is focused on the wrong thing. We don't want - nor should we ever be allowed - to see the purported 10,000 hours of videos of child pornography, etc. But those women, whether underage or of consenting age, may have all been under duress and indentured servants. We don't require transparency; we want accountability.
Why?
Because Maxwell is in prison for trafficking women. To whom!?
It's not believable that she only trafficked girls/women for Epstein himself. No one thinks there is some client list that Epstein kept as a word file on his Apple Newton. We simply suspect that THERE WERE CLIENTS. So, who were the adult men (or women)?
So far, many wins for us, but this administration must do better at telling the truth. We have less than two years. If we lose the House, it's impeachment every day for a further two years.
Dear Executive Branch, if there is nothing, then show us what you found to prove that. If there are contacts, intel, powerful people that must be protected for the sake of national security, THEN SAY SO. TELL US. Prosecute where you can, bring justice where it is needed and tell us the damn truth about WHY you are doing it this way. Because to dismiss serious crimes as old news or to treat the American voter as too stupid to be given at least an explanation into why information is withheld is a good way to send this country into further ruin than what Kamala might have caused.
Finally, we need to see at least SOME video: specifically, two or three clips from different nights from the jail where Epstein was held showing the same one-minute gap at the same time each night. Bondi opened her mouth about it; it shouldn’t be too hard to scare up two or more nights here and there to support her claim.
And if it's true, they reset themselves every night at the same time (because they still use VHS extended-play tapes, apparently?) then wouldn't that be a good time to execute a Michael Clayton-style killing to silence someone?
Or better yet, a good time for a jail break with inside help? How come no one has ever escaped this area, knowing that they won't be seen on camera during that time? In what sort of genius government-designed labyrinth was he held?
Tell the truth, Trump administration. And if you can't tell the truth, just tell us why. We're understanding. We don't burn, loot or kill when we get answers we don't like. We go back to work the next day with the apparently asinine hopes of getting answers.
We are truth seekers. We put you back into power, President Trump. Please don’t make us regret it.
"she laid binders of nothingness in their hands after they were invited to the White House under false pretenses" YES!! It was something a person in jr. high would do. Plus, didn't the pages turn out to be blank?
There are those who are wanting Bondi to be replaced with Matt Gaetz.
I haven't heard anything like that per se, but wouldn't that be so Trumpian of him? When my wife told me that Gaetz had been nominated for AG, I laughed out loud, mainly because of all the jet wash the Dems would be trying to recover from by Trump just saying Gaetz's' name. I knew there was no way a firebrand like him would get confirmed, but I looked forward to the five-alarm chili the Dems and their partners-in-crime were all going to be crapping out every hour on synchronized media. Trump is a master of the bob-and-weave and the rope-a-dope, even if he is is sloppy with it at times. He's learned a lot from his first term. He is an expert at asking for Mars, then allowing his opponent to negotiate him down to The Moon, which is what he wanted in the first place. Maybe that's what is happening here.
Among the many observable problems I see with Bondi is that she seems to love talking to the camera more than actual indicting criminals and serving justice.
The thing about Bondi being replaced was/is on X. Yes! Watching people go apoplectic is funny. Gaetz didn't have the votes, but someone suggested a way Gaetz could be chosen without votes.
You made an interesting comment. This is my take on Trump. I believe God allowed Trump the 4 years between his two terms in order to make him wiser. We get wiser when we go through difficulties. He chose totally the wrong people during his first term, but masterful now.
I have been in situations where I negotiated deals and I LOVED it. I got a high from it. There were times I walked away from a deal when I knew they would come back, and they did every time. I'm positive Trump gets a high in negotiating.
I was thinking about something regarding Trump last night. He has a quality I don't have. He is capable of being called all sorts of things (and he them), but he really doesn't seem to hold grudges. If someone treated me, or anyone I love, the way some (Musk) treated him, I would never, ever speak to them again, much less doing them a favor. Just recently, Musk was awarded a $200M contract with the Pentagon. You know Trump could have stopped it, but didn't.
The worst part of that debacle (which originally had zero to do with Epstein) is that there was a cover page STATING that all it contained was already publicly available, however, before the journalists could open the binder, they were ushered out back where MSM types were waiting. There was a lot of gloating by the “new media” gang , crowing about the special access they’d gotten. So they leave, see the cover page, and suddenly get a message from the WH embargoing the binder contents until further notice.
So MSM and some of them start splashing photos all pver the internet, the new media CANNOT SAY A WORD, expectations are skyrocketing. By the time they’re allowed to say, “Nothing new here,” they’re reps are in tatters.
Bondi really botched it horribly.
(Info per MK show of interview with one if the journalists.)
He wont regret anything in 3 years he wont care because he wont be in office again.
nice gammarr i said donut make us regret it
Sigh... Fine...
In three years Trump will not be president. No one will care what he did beyond owning the democrats for MAGA because protecting Trump and owning the Dems have become their political ambitions.
One point that I simply do not understand about this whole matter is Attorney General Bondi saying on February 21, 2025 that the Epstein client list was "sitting on my desk right now to review" whereas she now says that no such list exists. Over the past week when asked about this apparent contradiction Bondi responded with anger and misdirection, not a plausible explanation. Can someone please resolve the logical conflict in Bondi's statements?
No one can honestly resolve the logic gap of that.
You are correct. This will end Maga. It's toxic waste and Trump is mishandling it badly.
Not only is this not a nothingburger, it's going to detonate like a hundred atom bombs on a single target. It's going to be hammered from Carlson to Rogan. Elon Musk will drive this home with an AI-powered electrical jackhammer.
Trump is calling his supporters weaklings and stupid and declaring he wants nothing to do with them. Trump looks guilty and involved as it's possible to be.
he's known to like much younger women, to party with them, and Epstein is exactly the kind of guy Trump would be besties with.
Hes a man who has nothing to lose he is not running so he can do whatever he wants and nothing can stop him. He made the GOP his bitch and they outright fear him because of his power. This is why checks and balances must be restored but neither party wants to do it because they envy the day they will be in power so they can do the exact same thing.
Wrong. This is like the ridiculous idea that a miscue by him will “have the walls closing in”. If you believe this is accurate I am astonished how gullible you are.
Trump was born & raised in NY. He was a Democrat. He was always referred to as "Mr. New York." EVERYONE knew Trump and the elites held onto his coat tails because he donated to them. He most definitely knew Epstein.
This whole thing started because of Elon Musk posting "Trump is on the Epstein list." He would have zero way to know if there was a list, but he did it to make Trump appear to be a pedo.
Trump is painting himself into the most guilty corner possible.
Not seeing this is a serious problem for us.
Amusing to see people think that they can wave a magic wand and make this go away, like by a royal decree. Trump badly played this, time will tell how bad.
The problem is that it is way more than the "list," it's all the financial and other intel links that they want to keep hidden.
Interesting and painful to see the limits of democracy. How will the People react? How much truth and transparency can we expect and demand?
I'm concerned enough to call it out, but I'm not about burning it down... yet.
https://x.com/HumanEvents/status/1945551347073311123#m
I think the way that Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, and now President Trump has handled the Epstein case is a gift to the Democrats. I have been a very strong supporter of President Trump. Voted for him three times. I have great respect and admiration for all the things he survived including the assassination attempts. I have prayed for this President as well as his wife and family. I believe he has been amazing since Inauguration Day. I think he will be remembered as one of America’s greatest Presidents. I don’t think that the Epstein files will implicate President Trump of any wrongdoing. The prosecutor for Ghislaine Maxwell was the daughter of Corrupt AG James Comey.She had access to the Epstein Files. If ther was any suspicion of Trump wrongdoing she would have leaked this to end Trumps 2024 campaign. That did not happen. One of several reasons people voted for Trump is that he would go after the Deep State corruption. Rich and powerful men who sex trafficked and exploited minor girls is part of this. Patel and Bongino wrote books and made money off of this issue of corruption including Epstein. A few months back Bondi stated she had many files filled with appalling details about the treatment of minor girls. She said details would be made public after a thorough review to protect the victims. So how the administration is behaving now does not jive at all with the above. People are not stupid. I still believe in the promise that all Americans deserve justice. Justice for these girls. Justice for the predators. One girl committed suicide. She and her family deserve justice. I have enormous admiration for President Trump. But I still believe right is right and wrong is wrong. This is not a hoax as the President has recently said. I also still believe that real men are charged with the responsibility to protect those unable to protect themselves. Even if it’s someone you don’t know. And that is especially true when it involves defenseless little girls.
I've been posting this here and there...
I have a hypothesis. It isn't unique.
First off. Epstein is alive.
Second, Epstein was an op.
Third, he wasn't - isn't - the only op.
This may be ongoing.
The CIA, Mossad, and MI6 have been, for a long time, supporting many "ops" around the world whose purpose is to secure embarrassing information on anyone with power, money, or influence. This could be anything from morally objectional conduct up to criminal conduct.
And they have succeeded in getting dirt on thousands of people. From countries all over the world, not just the west. Friends and foes.
It could be anything. Epstein used kids. Others use adults, homosexuals & lesbians, gambling, drugs - whatever is most embarrassing or troublesome in the home countries of the "victims."
The greatest "honeypot" plot ever.
This BTW explains why so many people do about faces (I'm looking at you Speaker Johnson and Justice Roberts) They go to a meeting full of piss & vinegar and come back very docile...
And Bondie et al have the information in its entirety now. Others like Dershowitz (maybe Musk) have some of it but only the insiders have the whole kahuna.
And they are protecting... Not the "victims" of the stings, some of which deserve anonymity and some of which do not - but rather the system itself.
The system.
Because, how do you admit a cabal of your own CIA / FBI / DOJ / State department ??? as well as foreign actors in the same capacities have been setting up and blackmailing anyone and everyone they can?
You don't. You can't. You would destroy diplomatic relations all over the world.
Furthermore, you can't be sure they have stopped. You probably don't even know who is running these ops, how much money they have, and how much of the embarrassing information the cells possess.
And what do you do? Short of shooting every bastard you catch, how can you make a dint in this? And every time you do, you get hit with more kompromat.
Welcome to hell...
100%. Epstein is/was Mossad and clearly he didn’t commit suicide.
And you’re not an anti-Semite for suspecting Mossad, MI-6 or CIA! That’s a lazy ad hominem designed to shame people into submission.
Hey Granny, are you done celebrating Israel’s bombing the Catholic Church yet? The Jews intentionally killed three at the church today. Including a friend of the pope. Anti-Catholics like you rejoice in it.
I am a Catholic.
I go to Mass daily and stay for Rosary after. Today I prayed that both us be enlightened by what Jesus wants. Sorry for my antagonistic reply yesterday.
PS, my 7-17 reply wasn’t directed at you, btw, but those who attacked Megyn Kelly for raising the Epstein/Mossad allegation…
What an awesome reply! I accept your apology and am so grateful! I also pray the Rosary daily and am trying to get in the groove with daily Mass again. Appreciate the nudge!🙏🏼
Israel intentionally bombed a Catholic Church today killing two. Did you cheer that too, Granny? Get rid of those pesky Catholics who oppose genocide?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/strike-gaza-catholic-church-kills-two-injures-several-patriarchate-says-2025-07-17/