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Paul Scofield's avatar

In your comment, Ms. Sasha, I think you miss the point: 'I personally find this issue to be complicated. I’m not an easy hard-liner like Nancy Mace or Megyn Kelly. I can see both sides. On the transgender side, they are presenting as women, would like to be treated as women, and what’s the big deal if they use the bathrooms?'"

The issue seems fairly clear cut: there are two sexes. If a guy wants to be a transvestite, he can knock himself out, but he still has a twig and berries. In public, he needs to use the men's restroom. Presenting as women does not alter biological fact, nor should it be catered to in matters of public policy. Period.

The big deal -- as you should assuredly know as a refugee from the Left -- is that they do not know when to stop, in advancing their agendas. "Give them an inch...."

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Beeswax's avatar

Bingo. There can be no nuance on this issue, no way to make it fair, no way to keep women from being erased, harassed, or worse. The envelope will always be pushed by trans-identified males who aren't getting sufficient attention. It's not women's fault that some men are predatory narcissists who need the world to celebrate their "identity."

By the way, not all trans-identified men lie to themselves that they are literally women. They respect women, they know what they are, and they don't need the world to "celebrate" them.

"Gender dysphoria" is real, but 9.5 times out of 10, the gender dysphoric child will grow up to be gay or lesbian if we let them go through puberty, reject homophobia, and don't shame them. This fact is as old as the hills.

Provide gender neutral bathrooms for those who prefer them. House male felons who identify as women, including but not limited to rapists and child molesters, in a separate wing of the prison, out of the reach of female inmates.

There's a way to accommodate everybody, but we have to start with a foundation based in reality. There are two sexes, period, and the immutable power imbalance between men and women is permanent.

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Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

Exactly. This is a clear case of competing interests. This means it’s a zero sum game. There are three ways this can go:

1. The rights of biological women are given precedence, and only biological women can use the women’s bathroom.

2. The rights of Trans are given precedence, and the rights of women are superseded.

3. A compromise is made, with biological women given their own space, and Trans also given their own space.

Although it sounds like this should be an easy choice (#3), in reality, the Trans lobby ALWAYS pushes for a total win with no compromise. This is really not about making everyone feel comfortable. It is really about imposing one way of thinking on everyone.

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JOrtiz's avatar

Very well written especially about the activists and Wokesters wanting no actual compromise. If they did, all of this could be avoided by a simple enough rule: if a woman/girl in a ladies room asks you to leave their restroom because they notice you are actually a man and you make them uncomfortable, then you should leave. It's a sign of how radically left this country has become that so many liberals (and even liberal women) would be outraged by the idea.

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Paul Scofield's avatar

Agreed. Well said.

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JOrtiz's avatar

I agree with 99% of what you wrote except that there can be no nuance on this issue. It would be ridiculous to expect a transwoman like Blair White to use the men's room. I do agree that if some man is TRYING to pass, but failing, then yes, it should be up to the actual women to say if he can use their bathroom. Unless you know who Blair White is, no one would have any idea that Blair White is actually a man and someone who's changed themselves to that extent is not doing it to satisfy a fetish. If Blair White used the men's room, it would be bizarre and the men inside would be confused. They may not care, but they'd be wondering what the hell she was doing in the men's room.

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Mari-Ann's avatar

So are you saying we only let the pretty men use the girls/women's bathrooms? But not the ones with the 5:00 shadows, or full facial hair, who act like a guy getting kicks out of wearing a dress? How would that work? Who decides who has the right look to invade womens spaces? IMO, there should be men only bathrooms and locker rooms, women only bathrooms and locker rooms, and unisex rooms for any one else. And the same would go for sport as well...men's only teams, women's only teams and coed sports for all others. I truly can't see any other way it is fair for all.

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JOrtiz's avatar

I resent you instantly straw manning what I actually wrote. I said nothing at all about how pretty someone is. I wrote that if someone can pass (i.e. women don't notice and so aren't bothered) then we can't expect to keep them out. As for who should decide, not you and not me, but THE ACTUAL WOMEN/GIRLS IN THE BATHROOM. If one of them asks a man to leave, then HE SHOULD LEAVE ESPECIALLY if he's going in with a beard or 5 oclock shadow.

Lastly: there is no such thing as FAIR FOR ALL. At least 2.8% of people suffer from panuresis or "shy bladder syndrome" and can't urinate in front of someone else. That percentage is far higher than the people who actually have gender dysphoria. Shall I be asked to leave the bathroom so someone with some anxiety issue can urinate? I think not. The fact that you - and so many like you - believe that because one particular tiny minority that activists and Woke liberals have taken a shine to needs to be catered to all the time is lunacy. If you are a man with gender dysphoria and a woman asks you to leave the bathroom: LEAVE!!

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Dena's avatar

“They should just leave if asked”. Problem is some won’t. Their next move is to report you as a hater if it happens in a space like YWCA. An 80 year old woman told a trans person ogling the young girls changing out of bathing suits, to leave. He complained to management & the 80 yr. old was banned from the Y. There needs to be clear, rational rules set

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JOrtiz's avatar

Unfortunately clear, rational rules are NOT being set by most of our institutions. That's the problem. Organizations like the YWCA ARE the problem which is why WOMEN need to boycott such places. We know women are scared to speak up because they know they will be called a "transphobe" on social media and worst case scenario, lose their jobs, which is why they should just boycott such places - but they don't. Presumably they have no other places they can afford to go. This why I understand so many people voted for Trump.

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Dena's avatar

We went through this with the baker who didn’t want to be forced to bake a cake that caused him to dishonor his beliefs. He was sued for years, won, then sued again. Harassed. The left tactics of forcing their lifestyle on the public & you better celebrate it. Or else.

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Kathleen's avatar

Who is Blair White?

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madaboutmd's avatar

Yeah, exactly. The only person I've ever known in this "category" is Bruce/Caitlin Jenner. And that was more than enough.

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JOrtiz's avatar

Well you don't have to watch her but she is actually doing more to fight against the Woke loons than Bruce Jenner, and even more than we are.

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madaboutmd's avatar

How do you fight it when you continue to pretend to be the other gender?

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JOrtiz's avatar

A sane, non-delusional transwoman. Check her out on you tube.

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madaboutmd's avatar

Why? Why do we women need to see a man "playing" a woman? It's so absurd and stupid.

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JOrtiz's avatar

You don't have to watch her. She makes alot of the same arguments you would make, that's all. And she's doing more to fight against trans lunacy than any of us are.

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Beeswax's avatar

I agree with you about Blaire. I've followed him for a long time and have a lot of respect for him. (Similarly, Corinna Cohn.)

By the way, I call Blaire "him" because he doesn't claim to be a woman. He knows he's a man and says so right out loud. But he passes so well that nobody would check his genitals. He's not seeking narcissistic attention. In this regard, he's atypical.

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JOrtiz's avatar

I'm not sure Blaire is atypical, but you may be right. I truly don't know. I just believe that most actual trans people would prefer to live their lives and not attract attention to themselves. Again I may be wrong. Activists and Woke people - by definition - live their lives being far more outraged than the people they claim to represent. See how loudly BLM cried "Defund the police!" and how stupidly Liberals, Dems and Establishment Media failed to push back HARD on them on this even though most blacks want the same amount or MORE police.

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Beeswax's avatar

The reason I say he's atypical is for a few reasons: He's had so much work done on his body, including his face, that he has successfully erased the physical gender markers that human beings evolve to notice. If he were built like a truck driver, it wouldn't have worked.

He's attracted to men, and under more friendly life circumstances he might not have transitioned. He has revealed that he was terribly abused by his homophobic father and sees the connection between the abuse and his desire to transition. He's feminine in a way that's very common to effeminate gay men. Whether this is hormonal, cultural or both, we can't know.

Lastly, Blaire is very intelligent, introspective, and courageous. He's spent his life interrogating himself and the world around him. He's a truth seeker. All those traits make him atypical, at least in my opinion.

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JOrtiz's avatar

I agree with everything you wrote but at the same time believe that most actual trans people do not approve of men in women's spaces (unless they pass - which is atypical). Why do I think this? Because I'm comparing them to blacks or any group Woke people and activists get up in arms about. I think it is atypical for any human to be introspective and courageous. I think most trans women would just be embarrassed if a woman said to them "Hey what are you doing in here?" and would just leave a women's bathroom. You either have to be brave or a delusional narcissist to take a stand and I think we only see the delusional narcissists on Twitter. The regular people just leave and no one knows. And again, I may be totally wrong. I do certainly believe that you are 100% correct about the NEWER generation of "trans" (i.e. not really trans) as they have all learned from most of our society that they should be obnoxious aholes and force their values on everyone else and if anyone has a problem with that, they are bigots. Seriously, imagine the mindset of someone like Lia Thomas. These men truly believe that they are the victims as they unfairly trounce women in sporting events! But, again, the bigger problem I see is that so many women go along with this farce!

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Dena's avatar

Given all you’ve said about him, he should offer to use the unisex bathrooms that Johnson said are available to him & back off making the ladies uncomfortable.

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Teachinprek's avatar

I thought White was being asked to use a unisex bathroom? No?

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AJoy's avatar

Absolutely.

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PSW's avatar

"Give them an inch...."

Or six...

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Paul Scofield's avatar

Badda-boom!

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Pacificus's avatar

How about 7.5?

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Sue Kelley's avatar

Sold! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Paul Scofield's avatar

Woof!

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Ataraxis's avatar

One door says XX and the other XY.

Done.

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KAM's avatar

Yes: "there are two sexes."

Why is that even those with common sense in this area use "genders" rather than "sexes"?! This is biology, and biology is what matters, not the latest social innovation.

Nancy Mace says it this way: No penises in women's spaces.

At the extreme, for you clever students, I'm tempted to accept that compromise: CUT IT OFF, and you can come in.

That filter would work.

But I say "tempted" because that's insane too. I don't want anyone mutilating themselves.

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Texyz's avatar

....its about the 'testes' as much as the penis. Men under 50 who have hormones coursing thru their veins are horny as hail, and no woman should ever be alone in a restroom with such. Plus, trans dudes are perverts by definition. So, how many 'trans' get their testes/penis removed? Hardly any I imagine....

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madaboutmd's avatar

His penis.

Yes, he still has his twig and berries.

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cat's avatar

I agree with you. Men are visually turned on and taking hormones doesn't change this in the slightest. If there's still a penis, this is apparent to those female victims around them in the locker room and other personal spaces.

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Texyz's avatar

...penis and testicles. It takes both.

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Casey Jones's avatar

That kinda annoyed me, but, waffle on the adult-side is overcome by spot-on on the child-side.

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Texyz's avatar

Here's what Trump has done well, and NancyMace too this week. By standing up to evil and perversion, by calling it out, the Dems then feel compelled to come along and DEFEND the perversion, thus continuing to OUT themselves as ultra-left and NOT acceptable by mainstream Americans.

Keep it up Dems! (oops...that's what she said....)

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R H's avatar

Simple solution; you wanna use the female restroom, remove your penis and testicles, get breast implants and go for it. Other wise you're a cross dressing pervert and stay out of the women's restroom.

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madaboutmd's avatar

That still doesn’t make a person a woman.

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Jrod's avatar

Agreed, but if a dood is committed enough to his mental disorder to the point where he actually has his twig and berries surgically removed, I'd say he's earned the right to use the women's loo. Which by the way is typically dirtier than the men's room contrary to popular opinion. As evidence I present my daughter's bathroom. Only a savage would want to use it!

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LudicrousLife's avatar

Are you male or female?

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Orenv's avatar

What if they no longer have the twig and berries? This is a very deep psychological condition. SOme are probably gaming the system and having fun "fooling" everyone. But those doing the surgeries and taking the hormones are out for something else. Not sure what they expect to get as the end result, but it will never be what they are trying to attain. There is going to be a whole lot of remorse in the future over this. I have a lot of sympathy for them because this need they have can never actually be met.

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LudicrousLife's avatar

Catering to gender dysphoria? Do you not see it as a mental illness?

I’ve always thought that we should live and let live but this issue has been pushed so far. Why should women pretend that a man with all the surgeries is a woman? Can’t men just stay out of women’s spaces?

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Beeswax's avatar

Gender dysphoria is not necessarily a mental illness. The gay and lesbian community is replete with people who were dysphoric as children but resolved their dysphoria once they went into puberty and realized they were same-sex attracted. This is the origin story for millions of gay people...not all of us, but many of us. I'm a lesbian, and I know many people who had awful childhoods because they were convinced they were the opposite sex and had the mannerisms and interests to prove it, and were bullied and harassed by their parents and their peers. Puberty solved the problem, but the scars remain.

In other words, gender dysphoria is often a normal stage in the development of a homosexual person. But also, there are times when the dysphoria wears off after puberty and what remains is a garden variety heterosexual. (Stella O'Malley, the founder of Genspect, was one such person, and her childhood experiences inspired her to become a therapist and activist dealing with gender dysphoria.)

When gender dysphoria remains into adulthood, sometimes that person may be helped by transitioning. But that phenomenon is exceedingly rare. What we have now is ideologically imposed. It's socially constructed for profit and power.

Currently, gender dysphoric children, teenagers and adults are not allowed to receive therapy to help them figure themselves out, because it's "transphobic." Psychotherapy is now labeled "conversion therapy."

You'd think that somebody was trying to make a buck off these people...hmmmmm.

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Jonah's avatar

I suffered some gender dysphoria / autogynphelia myself. I restrain it to reasonable venues. If I venture out public, it's usually to gayborhood places, etc. Certainly not amongst the vanilla population. Certainly not among normies. And if I ran for Congress, it would not be in my female persona, that's for damn sure.

And yes, it is positively absurd that if I wanted to find a therapist who would help me "transition to being a woman" I'd probably find a lot available. But if I look for a therapist to help "Reassure me and help me cope and adjust and accept being the man I was born as" I might have much more difficulty.

Very backwards to be sure.

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Beeswax's avatar

Thank you for writing about this intimate aspect of yourself. I give you a lot of credit. What stands out is the last sentence. Politically correct styles of therapy have blocked the road you want to explore: how to make sense of yourself without ideology muddying the waters and cutting off avenues of exploration.

Psychotherapy, like everything else in the "woke" universe, is captured, rendering it worthless for a person who wants to get to the bottom of things, free from judgment and shame.

Yes, It's backwards, and also tragic, and cruel.

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Jonah's avatar

It's very hard to find something these days that has not been captured by Woke, or at least is making a big attempt.

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Teachinprek's avatar

Shouldn't the goal of all therapy be to love yourself as you are? Why should therapy encourage us to slice and dice ourselves? When I told my therapist I always thought I was unnatractive, my therapist did NOT refer me to a plastic surgeon so I could look beautiful. He helped me learn to appreciate who I am and recognize the lies I tell myself at times. Thank God.

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Jonah's avatar

I don't know if it's to love yourself as you are, or to remove the self-defeating vicious circle thinkings we fall into and find a way out of those.

Jordan Peterson mentioned that. A good therapist doesn't say you're fine as you are. A good therapist helps you identify problems and self-defeating behaviors in your life and fix them.

As for the plastic surgery... transitioning is VERY expensive -- which means its very profitable. Psychotherapists, psychiatrists, hormone producers, fashion consultants, make up artists, electrolysists, voice coaches -- they all can get a piece of the action.

There was that scandal where a hospital basically said they were going forward with children sex change operations and if anyone objected, they could find a new job. Gender reconstruction was just too damn profitable to them.

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R H's avatar

Read up on some child psychology. It's not the same as gender dysphoria. Kids go through different sexual stages and some boys are more feminine and some girls are more masculine, (and they have stages where they go through different sexual attractions with same/opposite sexes); doesn't mean they are gay or trans (the latter of which is an invented term from the fake sociological term "gender").

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I don't disagree with this at all. Of course kids go through phases of experimentation of all kinds, and it varies from person to person. Playing with society's ideas of gender is innocuous, and doesn't necessarily mean kids will grow up to be gay or trans.

But "gender dysphoria" implies discomfort (the definition of "dysphoria"). "Gender-nonconforming" is more neutral, but it can still result in feeling alienated from others because of judgments associated with homophobia, at least in the past. I think it's a matter of degree.

I'm a lesbian and I never had a moment where I thought I should have been born a boy. But I've known many butch lesbians for whom mandatory feminine attire and activities were excruciatingly painful and alienating to them as children. The mandate to conform to certain norms became gender "dysphoria," because it feels lousy to be judged, ridiculed and abandoned by peers and parents.

An ex of mine had a hellish childhood because her mother couldn't tolerate her desire to have the same toys, wear the same clothes, and engage in the same activities as her older brother. Her mother even took her to a psychiatrist (this was in the 1950s). When she went into puberty she remembers giving up. "OK, I guess I'm a girl after all," she thought, and shortly thereafter her sexuality blossomed with women.

But today, as you point out, everything has changed, because kids are encouraged to identify from an early age as "trans," an "invented term from the fake sociological term "gender." The normal and individual progression of self-discovery is thwarted by what can only be called brainwashing and social engineering.

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R H's avatar

That's a great description of some of the things kids go through and all are individuals. Hell I played with Barbie dolls with my female cousins when i was little, but I also grew up on a farm and had a shotgun when I was 8 years old. Just hate to see an agenda forced on kids that can't make informed consent and before they go through puberty. And, hate to see them judged/bullied/made fun of also.

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JOrtiz's avatar

Well written and interesting. What I wonder is: did the DSM always allow children to be diagnosed as having gender dysphoria or having a mental disorder? Or did the earlier DSM manuals limit the diagnosis to adults? I am wondering if this is only a recent turn of events with the more recent creators of the DSM falling in line to appease the activists, and if in the past, the DSM would not diagnose a child as experiencing a "disorder" - especially because - as you noted - most kids would grow out of this belief. I wonder if the diagnosis was limited to only adults.

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JOrtiz's avatar

I 100% agree that activists and Woke types (people like Emma Watson, late night hosts, actual "scientific" institutions) have pushed this issue way too far and yes, women should NOT have to pretend a man is a woman and men should stay out of women's spaces. I would just say that certain transwomen look so much like a woman (even if they have not removed their male parts), that it would be bizarre for them to use a restroom and if women can't tell that it's a man, I don't see the problem. We can't start checking people's genitals at the lady's room door. But you are 100% right that this has only become an issue because of activists and Liberals - AND MANY WOMEN, let's be honest - supporting the delusional people.

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Which is why unisex bathrooms should exist in public spaces and adults should be able to know which is the correct room to use.

It is a very small number of trans women who pass for legit women. Especially up close and personal. For a moment, yes, but even the most beautiful often have "tells." I do not mean this to insult anyone, but often the "feminine" movements or quirks adopted by a transwoman are a little off or caricaturish. Just enough to cause notice. Or there is still a "masculine" vibe that is hard to characterize. But it is usually there. The transwomen who believe they are passing as full women, think so because nobody would ever say to them anything at all. In a bathroom, no one is going to say to somebody else, "Are you really a woman?" You just finish your business and leave quickly if you feel uncomfortable.

Once a man has reached puberty, he develops masculine sexual vibes. Even gay men have this which is why women are still often attracted to gay men.

Only a very tiny percent of transwomen truly pass as women. No matter how "pretty."

This is why the push to prevent puberty from happening in children. The trans community wants to see a high percentage of boys who grow up to fully pass as women. Unfortunately, this means never reaching sexual maturity. A trade off not even worthy of consideration, IMO.

Plus, children do not know what sexuality is and cannot make decisions about something they have not experienced. Period.

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I was a crossdresser and in the scene for many years. I've met more trans people than most have -- both crossdressers who put on the get-up and would take it off and go home at the end of the night. To transsexuals who were full time, took hormones, had the surgery.

Out of all the scores or hundreds I met.... there was ONE -- Just ONE -- Who passed so well as a woman I was stunned. Not just in her appearance, but also in her mannerisms and the energy she gave off felt fully feminine.

She was the exception.

Nearly every other one you could tell something was off. All the time.

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KAM's avatar

Those without twig/berries are not the worry. That filter would solve much. But it's still nuts.

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DEEEEEEEEZ nuts! LOLOL 😆😂 🤣

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Orenv's avatar

Not the surgery. But the dudes wearing dresses with 5pm shadows laughing at how they can get away with it. Yes, there are humans who would do that. Notice the total lack of stories about girls running around naked in the mens rooms....

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Magdalene's avatar

Let's not pretend that medical fetishism isn't part of the equation for some of these people. Exulansic does an excellent job of illustrating this aspect along with everything else going on with trans rites.

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AJoy's avatar

Agree absolutely 💯

And allowing this and saying no big deal actually is a big deal and harming society. It’s mental illness and should be treated as such. That doesn’t mean I hate or make fun of, they need help, just like those with anorexia.

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TLIVT's avatar

And what does “presenting as a woman” even mean?

The only way to “present as a woman” is to be female.

A female with short hair, no makeup, and jeans and a tee-shirt— woman!

THIS is why this nonsense persists. Enough.

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JOrtiz's avatar

Agreed 100% that the modern liberals don't know when to stop. Or more accurately: how to tell their Woke loons and activists to settle down or draw a hard line between their psychos and themselves. However, I do think Ms. Stone has a point. If a transwoman like Blair White very much passes and looks like a woman, it would be bizarre to insist she go into a men's bathroom. I use Blair White's preferred pronouns because she fights against the Woke loons and is reasonable and not delusional. If every trans person were like her, this would not be an issue.

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Teachinprek's avatar

Many trans never have bottom surgery. It can harm your ability to enjoy sex for life.

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This isn’t complicated. The problem is people continuing to say “it’s complicated” because they can point to ONE edge case of a man in drag that passes the “at-a-glance” female test. I won’t go to great lengths to explain what this does to a society as a mass delusion that’s forced on the populace to support, but I will give you the anecdote that I carry now because of the psycho in a dress hiding in the local park’s bathroom (in a toilet stall) when my sister took her daughters last year.

“Oh but it’s complicated!” Said the cop as the 6’4 man in a dress with a five o’clock shadow claimed “trans,” taking a minute to hide the erection in his dress.

Listen. It’s not complicated. This is a severe mental illness. The fact that some people with this mental illness “present” better is no different than some people with BPD or schizophrenia presenting differently. These are facts. Not all people are the same. We don’t give addicts more drugs or alcohol to let them cope. We don’t tolerate mentally ill people, as mentioned above, off their meds and wreaking havoc among our friends and family. There is literally nothing anyone on God’s green earth can tell me that will ever convince me that this is some nuanced issue that we need to be tolerant of. Being “tolerant” is what got us here.

The problem is that if we do not handle this now and give in to the fractional tiny minority’s absurd bullshit then what we are in for is a mass of violence against these idiots as they become further emboldened to push their disgusting fetish on polite society. I have zero patience for anymore of this nonsense. I’m not alone.

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JBell's avatar

1000 likes! There is no nuance ...... its a mental illness, treat it and help the people suffering.

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Orenv's avatar

There are many forms of mental illness.

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cocteau twin's avatar

also, don't forget the anorexic and bulimic! as a society, other than the evils of certain social media, we certainly don't encourage them to starve themselves or eat and purge in order to "support" them and be "compassionate."

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AJoy's avatar

Exactly. And dealing with this in my own family with a relative with adult anorexia. We are told to never talk about it with them, deny deny deny, while she withers away and her organs shut down. Total shit show.

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madaboutmd's avatar

I had a cousin (who I didn't live near) who came to our uncle's funeral. I couldn't believe how skinny she was. Before her left insanity ruined our FB friendship, I would see her post daily posts of her husband's meal that she made. She never ate with him. I finally figured out why when I saw her. She was diagnosed with lung cancer (heavy smoker) and she lived about 14 months, dying just four months after my aunt/her mom. Her family never talked about it. She literally withered away.

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cocteau twin's avatar

i'm so sorry you and your family are dealing with this, this is awful. :(

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Jody's avatar

Simple retort to the “it’s complicated message”.

Would you tell someone suffering from anorexia that they are fat? No, you would not.

Why can’t life saving therapy be prescribed first for the gender confused?

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Ataraxis's avatar

Thought exercise.

Person goes to a doctor, says I’m not a man and want to transition. Doctor prescribes drugs to transition.

Anorexic person goes to a doctor, says I’m not thin I’m fat. Should the doctor prescribe Ozempic?

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Jody's avatar

Exactly. (And Ozempic is going to be yet another bad seed that we will “pay” for in years to come. There is no free replacement for a good diet and routine exercise.)

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AJoy's avatar

Exactly, dealing with this in my own family and all they want to do is deny the anorexia issue while the persons organs are failing because she weighs 75lbs and thinks she’s fat. It’s mental disorder she’s had for years and years and a total shit show. Wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

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AJoy's avatar

Absolutely

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AJoy's avatar

Nope you’re not alone and we are all tired of the delusional nonsense and “gender” bs hence one of the reasons DJT won. Sasha is being “polite” and too nonchalant IMO.

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PKsweets's avatar

Like a Volkswagen engine in a Porsche, you can fool some of the people, but it gets to that point where there’s no doubt

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JJoshua's avatar

The Democrats own 90% of the problems in this country

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Debra's avatar

I beg to differ. There has been a uniparty for decades and it has been corporations and forces within and outside of this country that have "owned" the problems in this country. And, I hate to say this but the lack of initiative on the part of the citizens has also contributed. I have never seen so many blind people in my life who are still watching mass media. Even the Republicans think the world is a better place now because of Trump. I see these people. I know that is a very dangerous assumption. Complacency, fear, and assuming someone else will take care of all the problems is the downfall for all republics. In fact, that the downfall for anyone trying to achieve in life.

It's very easy to blame others but what are we doing to be sure that OUR country is safe. The people that Trump has put in place (musk, vivek, vance, gabbard, etc) are quite questionable. They are tied to the wef, pharma, the cia, etc.

Let's not hope and "pray" (as so many believe is the way out) that we are safe now thanks to Trump. We need to still watch our backs, be cautious and be vigilant that these politicians and others do no more harm.

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Casey Jones's avatar

Your preferred option is? Sorry, but reality intruded. Big time. (See also Ms Stone's movie quote.)

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JOrtiz's avatar

My preferred option? I would say everyone rejoicing about Trump's landslide win needs to calm down soon (I don't support Trump but I hate Dems and also am taking pleasure in their loss) and face reality. Trump is going to spend 4 years making the Establishment Media's job VERY easy for them - and by extension make Dems' jobs very easy for them since the Establishment Media is a Democratic lapdog. If Trump supporters don't want to be shocked to find Dems taking over in another 4 years, I would say they should stop blindly worshipping Trump and encourage him to NOT make Establishment Media's job easy for them. Trump won't listen of course, but it would be great if his supporters could choose a nominee who knows how to argue against Democratic and Establishment Media word play. If you can't start explaining to Liberal enablers WHY DEI policies are awful, you'll just make them think you don't know what you're talking about. And Trump can't explain. Look no further than how he failed to handle that black female journalist who asked him why he said Kamala was a DEI hire (and she absolutely is). That should've been a slam dunk. Ramaswamy or DeSantis or Vance would've wiped the floor with her but instead Trump retreated to nonsense and failed to say why Kamala was a DEI candidate. It's not enough for the anti-Communist candidate to rely on his chosen people to do the explaining of why Communism is bad, he has to be able to do it himself.

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Casey Jones's avatar

Very interesting. But I only saw two names on my ballot. And One of them was/is unacceptable.

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Fair point but I voted for neither and my problem is with the Republicans who nominated the - sorry - dumb guy rather than one of the smart Republicans who can actually convince people that DEI policies are awful. I hope I'm wrong but I think in four years we're going to see a hard return of Dem loons and their looney policies.

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Beth Nicolaides's avatar

"Safe"? Is that all there is? Screw "safetyism."

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Beth Nicolaides's avatar

Hmmm. Well, they certainly have been renting them recently!

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JJoshua's avatar

Hahaha

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Heyjude's avatar

Great article, and thanks for bringing up the role of education in encouraging the problem. Dems not only own the trans issue, they created it.

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Libertarian's avatar

Dems own the failed education system K-12 too because 99% of the public school teachers and academia vote Dem. At least 60% of public school students fail grade level proficiency tests. That is an utter failure and has been for decades.

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The progressive takeover of eduction is the source of most of our problems. Here in Chicago, they brag of an 88% graduation rate, while only about 20% of students test proficient in reading. Even less in math.

The public education system has a lot to answer for. I hope we are on the path to a reckoning for the decades of harm they have caused.

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Are you under the illusion that what you wrote is a clever response? As I said, the education system has serious problems. Thanks for illustrating the point.

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How appalling that they not only fail to educate these millions of children, generation over generation, but then instill in them a false sense of pride and competency. Black children in particular have been gutted by this since the 1970s and no doubt contributes to tragic outcomes like violence, dependency and resentment. Go Dems! go teacher’s Union! I almost wish your children experienced the curse you cast on millions of black kids for half a century.

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LBJ was horrible and has been followed by Clinton, Obama and Biden who also used and abused blacks for their vote. I hope the tide is turning it.

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Ts Blue's avatar

Just ask some of those 88% which country started WW 1...you will get a blank stare. Ask them which party in the US supported segregation into the late 60s? Ask them what was the "New Deal" or what MLK actually promoted. more blank stares. Getting a diploma has no meaning if it has no content or represent learning that is rational and based on facts.

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Teachinprek's avatar

Not true. Unions vote Blue. Members are as divided as the communities in which they live. Admin...different story.

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Ts Blue's avatar

What "trans" issue? How about the "I am a donkey issue"? Just as plausible.

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Casey Jones's avatar

What would you call it? (Just curious; words are important.)

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Pelicanus's avatar

I identify as an ass?

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Casey Jones's avatar

Good answer, wrong question!

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Becky Scott's avatar

How about: “speciei mors voluntaria “

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Casey Jones's avatar

The same could be said of any non cis hetero (it appalls me that I have been sufficiently crap-splattered to be able to type that!) sexual deviance, could it not?

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Becky Scott's avatar

Maybe? I think people would argue that when sexual intercourse (defined as male sex organ in intercourse with female sex organs) declines, so would the conception and/or birth rate. But at least everyone still has the “parts”.

The end of the spectrum is officially reached when people (esp those of reproductive age) start cutting off/out reproductive organs.

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Speaking of Leftist (unGodly) problems, what is going on in CA with the two Congressional seats still uncalled (CA 13 and 45)? The GOP was well ahead, but more ballots keep pouring in 15 days after the election. Fraud? Sure looks like it.

The 2020 Census fraud (CA, NY, WI retaining extra seats at the loss of TX, FL, TN) is being multiplied by these 'late ballot' shenanigans. We need National Election Reform to fix this BS.

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Of course in California cheating is legal so there will be no evidence of cheating.

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Pacificus's avatar

Election cheating is legal and normalized in CA the same way shop lifting is legal and normalized... It is like Superman's Bizarro World out here.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Pennsylvania cheats.

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Pacificus's avatar

Oh yeah, the cheat is on, big time, in Cali... mass mail in balloting, no voter ID, no voter registration checks, balloting harvesting, counting votes that arrive a week after the election, what could go wrong?

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Jennifer Knight's avatar

I noticed that news reporter intentionally skipped the middle part of what Mike Johnson said: “A man can not become a woman and a woman can not become a man.” The reporter is acting like he does not know where Mike Johnson stands, but he is cutting out Johnson’s very clear full statement.

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cocteau twin's avatar

this is what the leftist media has been trained to do - they conveniently left out portions of trumps statements for years or edited them out of context to high heaven to suit their narrative.

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Jennifer Knight's avatar

Completely agree!

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Steven Yates's avatar

For many of us, "trans rights" was the sound of the so-called progressive left (something many of us *used* to support back when it made sense) crashing and burning in a sea of Ionesco-level absurdism. Who would have thought, after all, even back in the politically correct 1990s, that "progressives" would try to justify biological men participating in women's sports and then "cancel" anyone who disagrees with them. We're not allowed to ask where all these "transgenders" were, say, 25 years ago.

The signs you mentioned should read, "There are only two sexes" (not "genders"). While linguistics had a category called gender in order to talk about language, "gender" as a "social construct" (and by definition, therefore, fluid) was invented by academic radical feminists right around 1990. Cf. Judith Butler's book *Gender Trouble* to see how such a person argued their case against the "patriarchy."

This mythos has dominated academia ever since, getting progressively worse and more irrational until we've ended up with men being able to participate in women's sports, and "gender-affirming care" for teenagers and even children. If this is not stopped and reversed, it will ruin a lot of lives.

How do I know all this? I'm an ex-academic. I was there, and I saw this mess develop. First hand. One of my degrees, moreover, is in public health education. I earned it in 1999. The department tilted left, obviously (all such departments do). If "transgenderism" even existed as a category of "repressed persons," surely I would have heard about it then, and not seen it for the first time on social media almost 20 years later.

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Casey Jones's avatar

Where were all these "transgenders," say, 25 years ago? The same place roughly 10 million Biden "voters" are now.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Ask anyone middle aged or above who supports this trans stuff how many trans people they knew in high school. They do not know how to respond so you get a blank stare.

It’s like when I ask the people who believe in climate change this question. 13,000 years ago, a mere blip in the age of the Earth, Chicago was under a mile of ice. How did the ice melt? Native American campfires?

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Casey Jones's avatar

Or gas stoves?

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Ataraxis's avatar

Henry Ford had not yet been born, either.

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Pacificus's avatar

Thanks for the academic memories, Steve, we do need to be reminded how recently all of this nonsense was cooked up, and where (academia). You might even say, we need to "deconstruct" the whole sorry idea of "gender" as a social construct. Who wants to go first?

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I started watching the Real Housewives of various places on Bravo and exited that drama years ago. I recently watched an episode of the Orange County group and one of the ladies, who has four kids, has two trans, one gay and one straight kid. Evidently that happened since I stopped watching. It's ridiculous.

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Television was one of the primary ways the LGBTQIA+++ agenda was furthered. It's not hard to see why. Storytelling is a powerful tool, much more so than academic type arguments. Most people love stories (I enjoy them myself). All that needs to be done is to introduce a gay or lesbian or now "trans" character presented sympathetically in the storyline as he/she/? faces the same problems as viewers: struggles at work (or finding work), money problems, petty squabbles with family members or friends or neighbors over little or nothing, or enjoying the "small stuff" in life such as a night out. All things most of us can relate to. This, I think, has been key to "normalizing" LGTBQIA+++.

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Why do these people deliberately target children? Why is it necessary to write and expose children to books containing explicit sexual behaviors? Why do drag queens feel the need to perform for kindergartners?!

It is wrong in every rational sense, and a dangerous and even diabolical sickness.

Once upon a time, they lived in their own private crazy world, and no one bothered them, but suddenly decided they’d have to force it down the throats of everyday citizens, Especially targeting CHILDREN.

The gloves are off.

See ya ~ definitely wouldn’t want to be ya.

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(C)E.J.'s avatar

They have to groom and recruit. Easier to get through to a kid.

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Libertarian's avatar

Because they are grooming for their community.

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Suzie's avatar

Of course that’s why! And that’s what most explicitly exposes them for what and who they really are: A danger to society!!

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PSW's avatar

Transgenderism in the past was a very tiny portion of the population, mostly men who transitioned later in life. The current situation is driven by groups of activists in the mostly Trans community, and I believe without the blessing of most of the LGB community. It is also driven unfortunately by greed from the medical Gender Affirming Industrial Complex. The progression from a small group of quietly transitioned individuals to the status of biological men in women's spaces, the proliferation of pronoun nonsense and the movement from truly "transitioned" as the opposite sex to simply identifying is unreasonable.

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Beth Nicolaides's avatar

We've been rolled by a bunch of activists addicted to activism per se. Attention MUST be paid!

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Casey Jones's avatar

Attention -- and the piper.

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Steve G's avatar

And those who benefit financially from it.

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Kurt's avatar

Sasha, spot on! Policy-wise the dems have gone way off the rails. Then they double down with zero tolerance for disagreement, or even discussion. Republicans need to step up and stop the tantrums and be the adults in the room. Enough virtue signalling with these insane beliefs. The empreror has no clothes whatsoever.

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AJoy's avatar

Absolutely agree and love Savage! He needs to be in the new administration!

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Teresa Barnes-Matych's avatar

Make it National, if Mike Johnson has a Spine and a Pair!

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Mick's avatar

Spot on writing. It's just like the Pandemic: if you ask or even think to ask any practical questions, you're automatically in the wrong. I own real estate and I know there are some real weirdos out there that aren't rapists but like/get off doing weird things in women's spaces if they're allowed. Many women will, unfortunately, already know what I'm talking about here.

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Teachinprek's avatar

Woman here. True. But thankfully a very small percentage of society - at least those stalking women's restrooms. Until recently anyway.

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David Charles's avatar

This is such pure bullshit.

The perv is a guy, period. If we allow this shit in the halls of congress, that only “validates” the mentally ill’s beliefs thus wrap ok.

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Pacificus's avatar

Yes, the perv is a guy, and the guy is a perv... that door swings both ways..

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Beth Nicolaides's avatar

Nuance, indeed. We need it. I was a Democrat in 2008 and very pro-LGBT, and still wish them well, though two things had started to annoy me, even then. 1) Democrats had been handed a mandatory, legal gay marriage was sweeping the nation, and the Dems seemed stuck on it. (Well, that, and legalizing pot). Really? So much to do, and you're fixated on that? 2) Media became supersaturated with LGBT promotion. It. Got. Sickening. I began grousing about it while still approving of gay marriage. Hunting around, trying to put a name to it, I called it "gay fatigue," though it was really the trans fad and overreach that soured it. Then my kid's classmates and even two of his half-siblings caught the trans bug*. It went from fatiguing to downright unsettling.

* My son has over 50 siblings, at last count, since his dad and I needed a sperm donor. It makes for an interesting cross-section of Zoomers.

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David White's avatar

I think what really annoys us is in effect demanding approval. Regardless of having blue hair and a nose-ring, and loudly proclaiming to be "queer", whatever the hell that means. Demanding approval is just a version of their usual enforcing conformity.

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Teachinprek's avatar

Amen

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Pacificus's avatar

I'm on the same track, Beth. Yeah, gay fatigue, it's real.

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Ataraxis's avatar

More accurately it’s leftist fatigue, since every leftist position is against human nature and reality.

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Beth Nicolaides's avatar

Handed a "mandate."

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Teachinprek's avatar

It went from allowing gay marriage to forcing people to applaus men in fishnet with rainbow hair and nose piercing. Why on Earth do I have to approve of that nonsense? That's somebody screaming for attention. It has nothing to do with being gay or straight. If you're screaming for attention, you probably need psychological help.

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I am a Believer, specifically Christian, but also a geek's geek. The numinous is not lightly ascribed, by any stretch. For what it's worth, I cannot see the child-abusive aspects of this insanity as anything less that the latest proof that Pure Evil exists. I live for the day when "doctors" who do this unspeakable evil (and those responsible for men in women's heretofore safe spaces) are brought to book. It cannot be another, "Oops, sorry about that."

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madaboutmd's avatar

Indeed! This will go down in history to be as bad as slavery, and I believe abortion, if not worse.

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Casey Jones's avatar

This to me is far worse than slavery. Whether we like it or not, slavery was, for a few thousand years, accepted practice. This abomination is and was never anything but an abomination.

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madaboutmd's avatar

That’s true that it’s happened throughout history but it did so in massive numbers. Thank God there have been a much smaller number of child trans surgeries. I’ll put right up there with trans child surgeries and slavery, the child sex and human trafficking this country and many NGO’s are participating in! That is diabolical!

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Teachinprek's avatar

This! Why do our communities NOT care about all the "foot spas" with neon signs. Why do we not care anymore?

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Casey Jones's avatar

Not sure what you're trying to say. "Young adults growing into their sexuality" are, for the present purpose, (evident in the so-carefully selected words) children. NOT in a position to make irreversible and life-altering decisions -- or having such decisions made for them by adults with agendas, Sorry.

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Teachinprek's avatar

If anything, the definition of child should be expanded to 25. Lol. Judging on my own personal lack of maturation before 25. Heck, maybe even 30 if I am any indication.

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Now if we can only keep women out of mens only institution.

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Beth Nicolaides's avatar

Good luck! (And I mean that)

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Teachinprek's avatar

I think it is fine for both men and women to have private spaces...the problem is that some men's only spaces were using these spaces to exclude women from business transactions. That is not cool. Even if it was not deliberate, it stopped women from participating in big business deals. That's why women wanted in. We didn't really want to join your cigar room. Lol. Or stop you from talking about whatever it is Men like to talk about when women aren't around. Could care less honestly.

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Business transaction were excluding women? So you are saying men do not have that right to conduct business with whom they choose? My body my choice! oops. I mean my WALLET my choice. Also you paint an absurd picture of cigar smoke rooms and other nonsense. What BIG business deal are you taking part in now? You are suffering from delusions.

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Well, women were finally allowed in men only spaces by courts who realized that not belonging to elite men only clubs did keep women from networking and taking part in business in the same way men did. Men brokered power in this country. They alone held CEO positions. Women needed access to the same clubs for the same reason men joined them. To network. To be involved in the discussions that definitely did take place beyond the boardroom. That is my point. If you do not believe that, I question your presumption about who is delusional.

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