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Mac Thompson's avatar

yaaay... more fully redacted files

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Ruth H's avatar

I’m betting on the CIA getting exposed. Maybe not guilty of killing Kennedy, but possibly some documentation showing questionable actions during this timeframe. The CIA hid documents from him, courtesy of Pompeo and Haspel, his first term. Now Trump can expose this rogue agency and hopefully clean it out. I’m sure there are many who work for CIA that are not corrupted, but the ones that have gone against our country’s principles need to be removed. It’s not revenge, it’s justice. To learn hidden details about JFK’s death after almost 62 years will be interesting to finally know. It would also be nice to know why it was hidden from the public, which makes it seem there is some ‘dirt’ to be exposed. Remember, it was Mike Pompeo who talked Trump out of unclassifying these documents his first term. What was the CIA’s reason?

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Sam McGowan's avatar

Don't bet on it. Every president since Truman has used the CIA for their own purposes, and JFK was the worst. The reason CIA classifies everything is not to protect themselves but to protect their mode of operations. The CIA doesn't do a damn thing that the president doesn't know about it.

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Ruth H's avatar

That’s questionable. CIA hid documents from Trump his first term per Pompeo and Haspel🤬 These agencies have their own hidden agenda many times.

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Libertarian's avatar

The CIA is controlled by Israel. Israel’s motives are more hundreds of billions of dollars from US taxpayers and more use of military to attack their neighbors like Iraq, Yemen and Iran.

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Sam McGowan's avatar

I don't know about that. The US didn't start supporting Israel until Kennedy. Prior to that, we were neutral. JFK started selling them weapons then LBJ escalated it and Nixon escalated it even further. Then Reagan came along and made it practically an act of God.

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Heyjude's avatar

You are right, there is a group working to undermine and control the US.

It’s just not the Israelis.

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Ruth H's avatar

🤦‍♀️

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Libertarian's avatar

“Israel killed JFK because of his opposition to the country's nuclear weapons development, potential sympathy with the Palestinians' right to return to homes they were expelled from in 1948, and insistence that the American Zionist Council register as agents of Israel pursuant to the Foreign Agents Registration Act. “

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/80000-pages-jfk-assassination-documents-drop-tuesday-afternoon

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Ruth H's avatar

😩🤦‍♀️

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Libertarian's avatar

Lol. Ruth, I am sorry that I have caused you twice now to slap your forehead. I think we agree on a great deal but on this we disagree and I still respect your views very much.

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Ruth H's avatar

That made me laugh. Thanks

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Susan Vonder Heide's avatar

You have been badly deceived. Sasha's Substack is not the place to discuss the whole Israel thing, but I really hope that you will get a clue just as St. Paul did on the road to Damascus.

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Libertarian's avatar

Sasha asked out thinking on JFK hit and I gave it. It’s a popular view btw.

Re: St Paul, here is something he wrote also.

“For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%202%3A14-16&version=NIV

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Susan Vonder Heide's avatar

If your point is that Jews can err just like anybody else, this is true, as Paul was venting about. But your comments (not just here but on Substack generally) have shown a knee-jerk hostility to Israel in a way that is disturbing. God has not retracted his position in Genesis 12:3 regarding Israel where God said of Israel "I will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you I will curse." Israel was out of its land for a very long time but that changed in 1948. It is helpful to study end times prophecies in the Bible if you want to know about the role that God still has for Israel.

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Libertarian's avatar

Indeed I oppose the ongoing slaughter of Palestinians by Israelis. Over 50,000 dead, w

100,000 maimed and intentionally starving them out now. It’s a slaughter and ethnic cleansing. In the 1970s the IRA hid in residential areas of Donegal; with your logic you would be okay for the Brits carpet bombing the area because the IRA was using “human shields”; and kill 50,000 Irish Catholics. Excuse me for being upset that we are about to go to war in Iran and are bombing Yemen all on the behalf of Israel. And don’t forget we attacked their enemy Iraq for the same reason. But people like you who never actually join the military or have any risk of going in are the neocons that force young Christian men to get shot to hell.

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Susan Vonder Heide's avatar

Israel is not into "ethnic cleansing". I read somewhere that some of the terrorists of October 7th had been helped by Israeli doctors. Stop believing lies about Israel (like self-defense after a terrorist attack equals "slaughter" or that a nation that is supplying food to Gaza civilians is "starving them out") and stop believing lies about those who disagree with you (I am not "neocon" because I have not been in the military and because I have a different world view than you do). Ask God for guidance, read the Bible, and put a crack in your ossified thinking, As Pope John XXIII said in another context, open a window and allow some fresh air in.

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Matt L.'s avatar

Not expecting anything much. Maybe I’m jaded by Trump’s fake Epstein drop though.

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Andrew Collins's avatar

That was a huge fuck-up.

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Dunboy2020's avatar

Clearly high Republican Congress Members and big donors were on the list, ergo, ‘nothing to see here.’

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Libertarian's avatar

Plenty of Democrats too and Israeli controlled op by their Zionist pedo Epstein. US trillions flow to Israel via Federal Reserve and CIA; follow the money. That’s how you know who runs the show.

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Libertarian's avatar

Matt, don’t tell me you’re one of those conspiracy theorists that thinks Mossad had anything to do with the pedo empire Epstein ran?! Obviously he offed himself in the most secure prison in the most secure cell in the world while they security cameras happened to fail and the guards napped. Nothing to see here! Oh and lol on the completely redacted files. It’s like the Truman Show.

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Matt L.'s avatar

I don’t think anything much will come from the upcoming JFK drop. But the MLK assassination papers could show something shocking? Not sure when those will come. At this point I think these drops come when something else ‘bigger’ is happening and it’s helpful to temporarily divert eyes.

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Dave B's avatar

LBJ and the CIA…..

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Glenda's avatar

What I’ve thought for decades. But I expect very little from this supposed drop which I’ll believe after it happens. Maybe.

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Libertarian's avatar

And the country that controlled LBJ and the CIA.

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Carrie's avatar

Bingo!

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Bunker Bob's avatar

I think that there are two possible scenarios. The best case scenario is that it shows the CIA knew far more about Lee Harvey Oswald then they let on, and they did nothing to stop this from unfolding (i.e. govt shows more incompetence than malfeasance).

The second scenario is that they actually killed a duly elected president because that president would not deliver what Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, etc. wanted (war in Vietnam), and LBJ would. If this turns out to be true, those people are responsible for all the deaths of our soldiers, and the Vietnamese as well. It should be a government ending scenario.

It's LONG past time for these people to face the music, no matter what the outcome. Unfortunately, I don't think there will be any accountability, as there never is. Let's hope this is handled better than the Epstein files...

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Texyz's avatar

... but aren't 'these people' dead ?

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Bunker Bob's avatar

Most likely (although that depends on whether or not it was a corporate operation of sorts). All the more reason that this should have all been released long ago...

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Wendi's avatar

I love the way he bitch slapped NBC

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Alan V. Cecil's avatar

Oh YES!

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Turfseer's avatar

Lee Harvey Oswald: The Lone Gunman

The assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963, has been the subject of endless speculation and conspiracy theories. Despite this, the evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy. Oswald’s psychological profile, his repeated rejection by authorities—including the Soviet Union—his failed assassination attempt on General Edwin Walker, and the forensic evidence all point to the reality that he was not part of a grand conspiracy.

Oswald: The Psychopath No One Could Control

Oswald's erratic personality and violent tendencies suggest he was a lone actor, not a controlled asset of any government or shadowy organization. Described as arrogant, volatile, and socially dysfunctional, Oswald had a long history of instability. His delusions of grandeur led him to defect to the Soviet Union in 1959, believing he would be embraced as a revolutionary hero. Instead, the Soviets quickly saw through his act, dismissing him as an unreliable, unstable individual. They refused to grant him citizenship and relegated him to a mundane job in Minsk under strict surveillance. When he returned to the U.S. in 1962, he remained a misfit, unable to hold a steady job or form lasting relationships.

Oswald’s temperament made him unsuitable for any organized plot. He was erratic, unpredictable, and frequently engaged in violent outbursts. Had the CIA, FBI, or even the KGB attempted to use him as an asset, they would have abandoned him just as the Soviets did. Conspiracies often assume Oswald was a disciplined operative, but his track record suggests otherwise—he was a loner who acted on his own impulses.

The “Magic Bullet” Myth

One of the most persistent conspiracy theories surrounding the JFK assassination is the so-called “magic bullet.” Critics argue that a single bullet could not have caused multiple wounds in both Kennedy and Texas Governor John Connally. However, as Gerald Posner thoroughly debunked in Case Closed, the bullet was far from pristine. It was slightly deformed, consistent with having passed through soft tissue and striking bone.

The bullet's trajectory aligns with the seating positions of Kennedy and Connally in the presidential limousine. The so-called "magic" path is entirely logical when considering Connally was seated lower and slightly to the left of Kennedy. There is no need to invoke multiple shooters when a single, well-placed shot from Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle explains the injuries perfectly.

The Grassy Knoll: A Persistent Myth

One of the most enduring conspiracy theories suggests that a second shooter fired from the grassy knoll, based on eyewitness accounts and the way Kennedy’s head snapped backward after the fatal shot. However, FBI ballistics tests debunked this claim, demonstrating that a bullet fired from behind, such as Oswald’s shot from the Texas School Book Depository, could cause the same backward motion. This phenomenon, known as the “jet effect” or “ricochet action,” occurs when high-velocity bullets create a pressure wave upon impact, propelling the body in a counterintuitive direction. Additionally, the autopsy and Zapruder film confirm that Kennedy was struck from the rear, with no forensic evidence of a frontal shot. No credible witness saw a shooter on the grassy knoll, and no shell casings or bullets were ever recovered from that area. The "grassy knoll gunman" remains a myth unsupported by physical evidence.

The Tippit Murder: A Clear Indication of Guilt

Shortly after the assassination, Oswald murdered Dallas police officer J.D. Tippit in cold blood. Tippit had received a description of Kennedy’s suspected assassin and stopped Oswald in the Oak Cliff neighborhood. Without hesitation, Oswald shot Tippit multiple times, then fled the scene.

The evidence against Oswald in this murder is overwhelming. Multiple eyewitnesses saw him shoot Tippit, shell casings recovered from the scene matched Oswald’s revolver, and he was captured shortly afterward in the Texas Theatre. If Oswald were merely a patsy, as conspiracy theorists suggest, why did he murder a police officer? The Tippit killing strongly suggests that Oswald knew he was guilty and was attempting to escape.

Oswald’s Attempted Assassination of General Edwin Walker

Oswald’s violent tendencies were evident even before November 22, 1963. In April 1963, he attempted to assassinate former General Edwin Walker, a right-wing figure whom Oswald viewed as a fascist. Using the same Mannlicher-Carcano rifle he later used to kill Kennedy, Oswald fired a shot through Walker’s window. Walker survived, but the attack demonstrated Oswald’s willingness to engage in political violence.

At the time, authorities had no suspect, but after Oswald’s death, his wife Marina and others confirmed that he had planned and carried out the attack. This prior assassination attempt further dispels the notion that Oswald was merely a scapegoat—he had a history of premeditated political violence.

Conclusion

Oswald’s life was characterized by instability, resentment, and delusions of grandeur. He was not an agent of a broader conspiracy but rather a self-directed loner with a history of violence. The forensic evidence, the Tippit murder, and his previous assassination attempt on General Walker all point to a single conclusion: Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. While conspiracy theories continue to flourish, the overwhelming weight of evidence leaves little doubt about Oswald’s role as the lone gunman.

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wandringminstreli's avatar

Thoroughly believable. What's your explanation, then, for the CIA not wanting the files to be released? Just protecting sources and methods? And if so, why up to 62 years later?

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

He's full of shit. We now know Gerald Ford literally changed the Warren Report to help support the "magic bullet" theory. We had a Secret Service guy come forward in the past couple years to admit he put the "magic bullet" on the stretcher. The cover-up propagandists are hitting this hard.

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Libertarian's avatar

He completely ignores how Jack Rubenstein, a Mossad actor, happened to be in just the right place and time to kill the patsie Oswald before he could talk.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

I dunno whether Rubenstein was a Mossad actor or a mob puppet or CIA patsy himself, but I do know "Turfseer" and then "Sheepdog" (who may well be the same shill for all we know) are anonymous cowards quite aware their misinformation will be easily taken apart should they choose to engage in an honest fashion. But they can't, emphasis on "Fash."

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Richard's avatar

The CIA was covering up their multiple attempts to kill Castro. There may be more items in that rat's nest that the Church Committee didn't uncover.

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Pacificus's avatar

You lost me at "the evidence overwhelmingly supports" the Official Story... c'mon dude, there are a multitude of exceptions to that claim. Not the least of which is sitting on the files for 60-plus years.

Bad idea to oversell an argument that is dubious on its face.

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Sheepdog's avatar

Spot on. The definitive research has been published by Gerald Posner in his book “Case Closed”. We want so badly to find a more plausible explanation than a lone, insane gunman ending the life of someone so important as JFK. But we saw in Pennsylvania that the possibility of something so tragic can be a matter of inches and seconds.

https://www.amazon.com/Case-Closed-Harvey-Oswald-Assassination-ebook/dp/B00F3QYGAG

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

"Sheep"dog is a good name for you. The Posner book is so full of shit you can smell it from the library. Anybody who believes the "magic bullet" theory is either an idiot, brainwashed or diabolically devious.

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Sheepdog's avatar

It wasn’t a magic bullet, it was a single bullet [second shot] that hit JFK in the neck and Connelly in the chest. The wounds align. The first shot missed, the third shot was the fatal head wound.

Review the evidence.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/11/john-f-kennedy-conspiracy-theories-debunked-why-the-magic-bullet-and-grassy-knoll-dont-make-sense.html

And come up with better arguments than excrement descriptors and ad hominem attacks…it’s lazy and not very compelling.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

I'm not gonna debate with an anonymous coward deep in a comments exchange on Substack, and I literally don't give a single shit what you think about my ad hominem attacks until you go public with your identity. Tell me who you really are and we can set up a Zoom call in real time; then we can knock out who's telling the truth and who's a liar.

But you won't. Because you're not legit.

It's also hilarious you site a SLATE article from a DOZEN years ago(!) by the horrible non-journalist Fred Kaplan (https://slate.com/author/fred-kaplan), who's deranged worldview is pretty clear via his stories, which I've linked. Kaplan's TWELVE YEAR OLD STORY, which is loaded with faux "proofs" and speculation that have all been debunked in the decade-plus since. Doubly interesting that SLATE's your go-to, since it was SLATE who spent a couple years trying to play down pedophilia as a criminal act before the contempt for their view caused them to back off.

LMK if you want to come out from under your rock. Otherwise consider this a post not for you specifically, but any readers of this article who see your comment and don't throw it out like the dog turd it is.

If you don't want to come out from under your rock, don't bother to reply. I'm just going to treat you with further contempt, which is all an anonymous coward like you deserves.

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Sheepdog's avatar

Posner’s book was published over 30 years ago and is by far the gold standard debunking all JFK conspiracies. Age of an article or book has no bearing if research was properly conducted.

That’s fine, I have no interest in being slandered so happy to move on. You seem very emotional so guessing it would not be a productive chat.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

If it's the "gold standard," then it shows how terrible the debunking of the JFK conspiracy industry is. Posner's a clown.

As I predicted, you are an anonymous coward & intellectual fraud who cannot go public because he is an anonymous coward & intellectual fraud. Glad I got that confirmed. Your soul-broken kind are predictable as a broken clock.

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Heyjude's avatar

Lone insane gunman? OK, maybe.

But then you have to explain Jack Ruby. So go back to that well. Now you have two lone, insane gunmen who had nothing to do with each other.

That’s a pretty big gulp to swallow.

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Sheepdog's avatar

We had two insane lone gunman almost change history in Pennsylvania and Florida recently. Why wouldn’t it be possible in 1963?

Posner debunks the attempts to link Ruby with the CIA & Mafia. While it would make narrative sense to bolster Rubys status, there just isn’t any evidence to support a coconspiracy.

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Pacificus's avatar

As if we know anything about Matthew Crooks.... that's just the latest coverup, complete with a sanitized crime scene and a quickly cremated corpse...

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Heyjude's avatar

The Trump attempts are a bad comparison. They were two separate incidents. Now if the Mar-a-Lago shooter had managed to kill Thomas Crooks while in police custody in a police station, you might have a valid analogy.

You seem to rely on Gerald Posner as a single source as to facts and conclusions. It’s a very complex case, lots of others have written about it. Despite the title, one book is not really the definitive answer.

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Sheepdog's avatar

Yes, agree 2 shooters not completely analogous. But man, we were divinely lucky in PA

I site Posner as he was the first to debunk the growing conspiracy crowd immediately after Stone’s movie came out in ‘92, and IMO is a good jumping off point to the start the process of De-conspiracy.

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Heyjude's avatar

I don’t see the goal here as de-conspiracy. The goal is to find the truth. IMO, finding the truth is not served by starting with the assumption that lone crazed shooter is correct and everything else is just crazy conspiracy theory.

That said, I admit that I think it would be almost impossible to get a definitive answer at this point.

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Pacificus's avatar

Posner has backed off his formerly firm conclusion of no conspiracy. Get educated.

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Ruth H's avatar

Interesting details.

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R H's avatar

Wow.

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Tammy Malik's avatar

No, there won't be anything. Any real smoking gun evidence has been deleted decades ago. Who commits a crime like this and puts it in a file?

Evidence may exist elsewhere. Months ago Alex Jones shared a recording made by an LBJ hitman claiming LBJ ordered JFK to be killed. It sounded authentic but who knows

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Libertarian's avatar

Yes but who ordered LBJ to do the hit? LBJ was a monkey who couldn’t think his own way out of a paper bag.

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Tammy Malik's avatar

It was LBJ ordering his hitman to do it. Apparently JFK pissed him off. The hitman mentioned other hits LBJ ordered, inc over 15 ppl. The reason he made the tape was to be sure he didn't end up the same he said. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to run a mob

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KaiKai's avatar

I don’t think the files will resolve anything

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Richard Vos's avatar

Highly recommend reading "JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE" by James W Douglass. Paints a clear picture of CIA, FBI and LBJ involvement. And another example of the military industrial complex and "neocon" equivalents warmongering agenda.

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Libertarian's avatar

And neocons is a polite way of saying Israeli interests.

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Robin Bernhoft's avatar

I have been to Oswald’s alleged perch in Dallas. From the window, cars are the size of match boxes and human heads the size of pin heads. There’s no way Oswald fired so many rounds so quickly and so accurately with a bolt action rifle. In the Zapruder video, JFKs brains blasted out behind him. The shooter was on the Grassy Knoll. Oswald’s Life magazine photo had a different chin and shadows on the chin going in a different direction from shadows on the rest of his face. The tree in bloom behind him did not bloom while he lived there. LBJs mistress says the night before the assassination LBJ told her “after tomorrow those Irish sons of bitches will never push me around anymore.” She said the meeting LBJ came from that evening included CIA, mafia and George HW Bush

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Libertarian's avatar

LBJ and CIA facilitated it but they got the order from their masters in Israel. Don’t expect the obvious to be in the records either.

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David Cooper's avatar

That there's a witness I hadn't heard about, "LBJ's mistress".

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R H's avatar

Doubtful anything of significance. It was a deep state operation after all. Anyone who believes Arlen Specter's "magic bullet" theory is mentally damaged in some way. But, it will be heavily redacted or a bunch of worthless info. Hope I'm wrong.

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gadflybytes's avatar

Mossad

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Bunker Bob's avatar

Not a chance. Mossad wasn't really a thing at that point. They really came into existence after the the 1967 war. Also, if that was really true, there's no way they (and their lobby) would ever allow that to be released. Also, I don't buy the mob theory either, given that JFK was giving the mob everything it wanted (Cuba), and they stood to make BILLIONS. Ultimately, I think this was Raytheon/Lockheed/etc. operating through their CIA stooges so they could have the war they wanted in Vietnam.

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Steenroid's avatar

Yeah but Bobby kidnapped the head of the NO Mob and dumped him on a dirt airstrip in Central America. They really wanted Bobby but knew if they killed him JFK would really wipe them out. They also knew that LBJ and RFK hated each other and and Bobby wouldn’t be around long. And the Mafia had already lost Cuba by then anyway.

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Bunker Bob's avatar

True enough. Bobby did want the mob gone, and he tended to focus on Chicago because they were significantly more violent than New York (or other locations). It's possible that the assassinations of RFK and JFK are related, but I'm not quite sold on that. RFK seems more criminal in nature, and JFK seems more government directed...

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Libertarian's avatar

💯

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Bmak's avatar

I've read numerous books on this. From the doctor who saw JFK after the shooting, to a book claiming the Isreali's did it as Kennedy wanted to squash their nuclear programm, to the mafia, the cubans, etc. There have even been gun nuts who took that crappy Italian rifle LHO used and tried to pull off three shots in 2 seconds, on a moving target. Do we think the most powerful intelligence agency in the world would give us the real story? If it went against their interest?

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Dunboy2020's avatar

Exactly. A good chance for them to blame the Mob or someone else that can’t be held accountable.

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Libertarian's avatar

CIA to take the fall for the real power behind the throne.

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Daryl Homiak's avatar

CIA, mob, and LBJ. Dulles being the head honcho. He hated Kennedy’s guts.

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Dick Minnis's avatar

My guessing is the CIA trying to protect itself after the bay of pigs fiasco when they lied to Kennedy and he intended to dismantel the operational arm of the CIA. Certainly the Secret Service was complicit in the coverup. If the files are a nothing burger, then I personally will believe that the coverup continues and Trump is either complicit or being lied to. The latter would be normal for the CIA.

Dick Minnis

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