Ben Shapiro’s genocidal? Wonder what source he has for that? I’m here, paid subscriber, and plan to stay. In my ninety third year I’ve enjoyed longer life than most. Maybe got those extra years to read about Sarah Stone’s interesting life and evolution.
I'm not for or against one side or the other, but I'm curious...what do you suppose the cry "From the river to the sea" advocates, if not the genocide of the Jews? Haven't Arab countries throughout the middle east been openly calling for the total annihilation of the Jewish State for decades? Is it genocide only when one side does it, but not the other?
You need to distinguish between Genocide and terrorism. They're totally different. Terrorism is a kindly attempt to persuade people to disappear. Of course if they won't see the light they'll feel the heat.
Perhaps offer an explanation for your statement? The Jews "founded" Israel, if you can call a gift from God a founding. They had a many thousand year history there.
No doubt, you think it belongs to "the Palestinians." Please tell us all when The Kingdom of Palestine existed. I don't remember ever reading about it.
If the Israelis' ambition was to destroy "the Palestinians," why did they uproot thousands of Jews who were settled in Gaza in 2005, moving them entirely out of it so it could be turned over, Jew - free, to "the Palestinians?" Is it genocidal to provide a homeland to the people a nation is supposedly contorted with eagerness to destroy? How, precisely, is that genocidal? Please explain. This Gentile is eager to understand.
And who attacked whom on October 7, 2023?
Israel has far more existential reason to destroy Hamas than the United States had to demand unconditional surrender of the Germans in World War II.
Which school of parrotry are you a graduate of, anyway?
The territory of what is now Israel was polyglot up until just over a century ago, when the Ottomon Empire launched its ethnic cleansing campaign against the Assyrians, the Armenians, and the Greeks. The Greeks had been a sizeable part of ancient Israel since the time of Alexander the Great. Beginning in the early 1900s and continuing up through 1921, the Ottomons - whose empire stretched from present-day Turkey to the Sinai - began killing and forcibly deposing the above ethnic groups. Most of us have heard of the Armenian Genocide, but the Assyrians and Greeks call this period the Assyrian Genocide or the Greek Genocide.
It was the exact same campaign of extermination of all non-Muslims from areas they'd lived in for millennia - some 5 to 8 million murdered or forcibly deported from areas they'd lived in for hundreds of years before Islam even existed.
In what is now Israel, that was mostly Greeks - although some Assyrians as well.
Once the Greeks had been murdered or expelled, their homes, farms, groves and shops were offered to any Islamic family willing to relocate and take them.
It was at that time that tens of thousands of Arabs moved into the areas surrounding Jerusalem to take over the formerly Greek properties.
Sounds a bit like genocide, doesn't it?
So, no, "Palestinians" haven't "lived peacefully" for thousands of years until the invading Jews showed up. Invading Arabs had been busy killing indigenous Jews since the first Caliphate.
The notion that the military campaign in Gaza represents genocide would be laughably contemptible if it didn't have deadly real-world consequences for Jews. Fewer civilians have been killed chasing down the Hamas cowards who hide behind women and children than were killed in Iraq's campaign against Isis a few years ago.
Shine the disinfecting light of Truth, Jim. You have a historical perspective which I had some familiarity with, but not in as clear and organized way as you. Thank you.
Add to that the machinations of the British. In their quest to defeat the Turks, the promised the same land to both Jew and Arab and then double-crossed both of them after the war. They continued to vacillate between supporting Jew and Arab in an area they now controlled, mostly tilting toward the Arabs. The Arabs revolted first with the winds of nationalism blowing out of the chaos of WW1. The revolt was mostly against the British but with anti-Jewish undertones growing stronger through the various stages of the revolt. By the time of the big Arab revolt in 1936, it had gotten so bad and the Arab alliance with the Nazis so obvious that it drove the Jews into alliance with the British. The British officer, Orde Wingate, provided some of the first training for the Jews and is considered one of the founders of the IDF. Then after WW2, the British flipped back to the Arabs and the Jews revolted. First the radicals in the Irgun and LEHI, then the larger community, leading to the establishment of the State of Israel. On Israeli independence day, five Arab armies invaded and proceeded to lose the war. The last battle of the war was an aerial clash between Israelis and British. The ceasefire lines were the border of Israel up until the Six Day War. Egypt controlled Gaza during that period.
Yes, but the anti-Jewish sentiment went back 1,000 years to when Arabs first arrived in the area. It was then stoked by the Ottomon antipathy to all non-Muslims.
"The apostrophe theory of history" is not a bad line, and I give you credit for it.
When you say that I'm full of it, you're confessing your own poverty of knowledge. In other words, you have no argument. Jim Tragesar, who commented earlier, has a detailed knowledge of the history of the region. I suggest you read his comment.
lol ... amazing to me how the people actually proposing genocide, Hamas - whose founding documents call for the extermination of Jews from the Middle East - manage to imagine themselves the victims, and drag willing anti-Semites along for the ride.
Anyone who opposes Israel's right to exist is both ignorant and a bigot - provably.
Amazing to me is how so many throw around the word "genocide" so casually.
Israel may attempt to exterminate everyone associated with Ham-Ass and vice-versa, but it would take a campaign of murder so vast as to extinguish the gene pool of Ham-Ass members and (presumably) all its sympathizers.
The more strident individuals of Israel/Ham-Ass may want to exterminate every last one of the other, but it's a tall order and may take some time. In the interim, everyone can get their self-righteous rocks off and roll in their moral superiority like dogs in carrion.
To Philip Badger (" Anyone supporting Zionism is genocidal, yes)"
You might enlighten yourself by looking up the definition of "genocide". No other country in the world works as hard as Israel to avoid harming civilians. Hamas, on the other hand, delights in Palestinian deaths because that is their plan - live in tunnels underneath innocent people so Israel gets blamed when attacks on Hamas harm the innocents.
And Hamas's actual mission statement explicitly states they wish to wipe out the Jews. THAT is genocide.
I like to read writers I agree with and writers I don't agree with. How else can I learn?
Sasha, thank you for being honest and standing up for what you believe in, whether I agree with you or not. Yours is the first Substack I subscribed to, and I have never regretted it.
I can't support either side in this. It's all horrific. If the US had any moral sense it would step in and stop all of it, make peace, and incentivize both sides to abide by it. SMH.
I support Israel. Hamas is funded by Iran and terrorists. I can’t even conceive of being on that side of it. Is it horrific for the Palestinian people? Yes. Who did they vote for to run their country? Hamas. Every single peace agreement has been broken by the Palestinians over decades. Their goal is the eradication of all Jews and Israel and they openly say that. The Jews do not say anything like that. And so it’s clear they will never stop, this will go on in perpetuity. Let Israel bomb them into submission.
First, no one takes reports from the Hamas Ministry of Propaganda seriously.
Second, Israel has done everything it can to avoid civilian deaths. Hamas locates its major operations headquarters among civilians in an attempt to intimidate Israel so it will not attack. But Israel must destroy Hamas, Hamas knows that, and with rare, unintentional exceptions, Hamas and Hamas alone is to blame for civilian casualties.
It seems that with the left, it's all or nothing. You can't have points where you agree aand other points where you disagree. I couldn't even be married if tthat we had to subscribe to those rules......
“Sad fact: 'social justice progressives' think that if you disagree with them on any one thing, you’re their enemy, while 'new right' types think that if you agree with them on any one thing, you’re their friend.”
People I admired are on this anti-Israel bandwagon, willfully ignorant of the abject and total failure of Islam as a religion or as the political movement it actually is.
I mean, we in the West have been intimidated by these fanatics since Salama Rushdie (have you ever seen a comedian riff on that animal Mohammed? There's SOOO much material there!)
But to see that unspoken fear mutate into THIS?
Don't get me wrong- the Jewish people are as screwed up as the Irish as a culture! LOL (Except they can cook!) Or the Italians. Or what-the-fuck ever culture you want to pick on. No better, no worse.
I know Anti-Semitism exists, but JHC...the blatancy of it. It's worse than the worst racism I've ever encountered.
I'm 72. I remember how exhilarated Americans were by The Six Day War, then in 1976, by the Entebbe raid, which coincided nicely with the Bicentennial. It never would have occurred to me that I would live to see the Dark Age we're in.
If you're a fan of Irish writing, the more wacked, the better, I recommend Flann O'Brien, especially The Best of Myles, but also, The Third Policeman. Raymond Queneau was French, but he pulled off a shamefully enjoyable little farce built around the 1916 Easter Rebellion, We Always Treat Women Too Well.
Honest ta God Bobby, I'm completely blindsided by the anti-semitism. It's a similar experience for me when I woke up in 2015 to how deeply we as a society have been manipulated by MSM.
Except this is about a zillion times more outrageous.
I grew up Catholic, and in the early 70's I saw Fiddler On The Roof; the nuns took us to see it at Loew's American. I can still remember a scene towards the end (and I've only the one time) where Teve is dealing w/ his youngest daughter falling in love w/ a Cossack. All through the film when he dealt w/ his daughters falling in love w/ guys he did this whole thing "...On the other hand..."
In this scene he did the same thing, but stopped dead in his tracks and said 'NO! There is no other hand! No! NO!!" The shot of him rebuking his daughter and turning his back, over 50 years later still shakes me up.
Re Gaza and its apologists...
No. NO!
THERE. IS. NO. OTHER HAND.
I want to make another point (I hope Sasha sees this b/c I'd LOVE her take):
There's sooo much yammering about how w/ every bomb dropped Israel & the West are making more terrorists. Well...
In WW2, the Allies (i.e. the USA) bombed German cities into oblivion. The firestorm of some city comes to mind, and the most cursory look at German cities shows devastation that makes Gaza look like Disney World. THEN we nuked Japan not once, but twice to make a point.
Today, both Germany & Japan are staunch allies of the West.
I think Douglas Murray is right on this matter. I don't know the average age of an October 7 barbarian, but war is a young man's calling, and I doubt many were thirty.
For nineteen years, the "Palestinians" have had Gaza entirely to themselves. But I'm not naive enough to believe Israel has had no intelligence whatever coming out of Gaza.
So, I think Murray has a basis in knowledge when he says that the schooling young Gazans have gotten has been like German education in the 1930s ( my figure of speech ): the schools' priority has been to teach hatred of Jews and, of course, in Gaza, the glory of dying a martyr for Allah.
So, Murray says, they managed to raise a generation of sociopaths. I can't figure a way to deal with them which excludes essentially the annihilation of Hamas.
I think Douglas is one of the few voices who is able to articulate this topic with devastating logic. I'm not sure if it was his feed, but on X I've seen a bunch of posts of young children dressed up as Hamas terrorists 'killing' Jews.
I've been exposed to a lot of Muslim critiques since Oct 7 on X. Ever since 911, I've had this niggling feeling that Islam is NOT a religion as we would define it; it is, in fact a social/political movement aimed squarely at world domination. Since 10/7 I've seen a boatload of analysis that supports my theory. To the degree that I see it as a bigger threat to Western civilization than anything the Russians/Chinese yadda yadda are about.
I feel rather isolated in my opinion: Islam is a cult of personality centered on a deranged man that worships death over life and will gladly rule over the ashes of the West.
You don't have to dig very deep into its dogma to see it either.
This term 'genocide'...it's becoming useless (possibly already there). It's following an already all too common pattern: racist, nazi, misogynist, antisemite, ****-phobe, etc
I miss the days when it was OK to disagree with someone. It was so easy to say "I guess we'll have to agree to disagree" and not lose friends or alienate family. These days we're forced to pick sides under threat of excommunication (aka: cancellation), and I'm not so sure this isn't by design. I feel certain that those manipulating the strings behind the scenes believe the path to retaining power lies in perpetuating an angry, divided population...and we're playing right into their hands.
There was never a Golden Age of discourse harmony. Nobody up until Gen X ever had the illusion of having an "audience" for their personal neuroses and dumb opinions. The rarely published letter to the editor is about the most anyone not trying to write commercially could hope for. This sort of forum and social media in general gives that impression, though.
I used to run a business with online sales and got so many assholes writing in to tell me my prices were too high or some other compaint so they wouldn't be buying from me. Or when I offered a discount, some would write to complain the discount was so puny, it didn't matter and they wouldn't be bothering to buy from me. I also owned a retail food & bev business and had quite a few customers act like jackasses and then become belligerent when I didn't seem to care about losing their business. Amazing how people think they're so important that they need to tell you what you're "doing wrong" and flounce out.
Good grief. I don't even agree with MYSELF 100% of the time.
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Ben Shapiro’s genocidal? Wonder what source he has for that? I’m here, paid subscriber, and plan to stay. In my ninety third year I’ve enjoyed longer life than most. Maybe got those extra years to read about Sarah Stone’s interesting life and evolution.
Carl, seeing interesting people like you exist is why I read substacks.
Anyone supporting Zionism is genocidal, yes.
I'm not for or against one side or the other, but I'm curious...what do you suppose the cry "From the river to the sea" advocates, if not the genocide of the Jews? Haven't Arab countries throughout the middle east been openly calling for the total annihilation of the Jewish State for decades? Is it genocide only when one side does it, but not the other?
You need to distinguish between Genocide and terrorism. They're totally different. Terrorism is a kindly attempt to persuade people to disappear. Of course if they won't see the light they'll feel the heat.
Perhaps offer an explanation for your statement? The Jews "founded" Israel, if you can call a gift from God a founding. They had a many thousand year history there.
No doubt, you think it belongs to "the Palestinians." Please tell us all when The Kingdom of Palestine existed. I don't remember ever reading about it.
If the Israelis' ambition was to destroy "the Palestinians," why did they uproot thousands of Jews who were settled in Gaza in 2005, moving them entirely out of it so it could be turned over, Jew - free, to "the Palestinians?" Is it genocidal to provide a homeland to the people a nation is supposedly contorted with eagerness to destroy? How, precisely, is that genocidal? Please explain. This Gentile is eager to understand.
And who attacked whom on October 7, 2023?
Israel has far more existential reason to destroy Hamas than the United States had to demand unconditional surrender of the Germans in World War II.
Which school of parrotry are you a graduate of, anyway?
The territory of what is now Israel was polyglot up until just over a century ago, when the Ottomon Empire launched its ethnic cleansing campaign against the Assyrians, the Armenians, and the Greeks. The Greeks had been a sizeable part of ancient Israel since the time of Alexander the Great. Beginning in the early 1900s and continuing up through 1921, the Ottomons - whose empire stretched from present-day Turkey to the Sinai - began killing and forcibly deposing the above ethnic groups. Most of us have heard of the Armenian Genocide, but the Assyrians and Greeks call this period the Assyrian Genocide or the Greek Genocide.
It was the exact same campaign of extermination of all non-Muslims from areas they'd lived in for millennia - some 5 to 8 million murdered or forcibly deported from areas they'd lived in for hundreds of years before Islam even existed.
In what is now Israel, that was mostly Greeks - although some Assyrians as well.
Once the Greeks had been murdered or expelled, their homes, farms, groves and shops were offered to any Islamic family willing to relocate and take them.
It was at that time that tens of thousands of Arabs moved into the areas surrounding Jerusalem to take over the formerly Greek properties.
Sounds a bit like genocide, doesn't it?
So, no, "Palestinians" haven't "lived peacefully" for thousands of years until the invading Jews showed up. Invading Arabs had been busy killing indigenous Jews since the first Caliphate.
The notion that the military campaign in Gaza represents genocide would be laughably contemptible if it didn't have deadly real-world consequences for Jews. Fewer civilians have been killed chasing down the Hamas cowards who hide behind women and children than were killed in Iraq's campaign against Isis a few years ago.
Shine the disinfecting light of Truth, Jim. You have a historical perspective which I had some familiarity with, but not in as clear and organized way as you. Thank you.
Add to that the machinations of the British. In their quest to defeat the Turks, the promised the same land to both Jew and Arab and then double-crossed both of them after the war. They continued to vacillate between supporting Jew and Arab in an area they now controlled, mostly tilting toward the Arabs. The Arabs revolted first with the winds of nationalism blowing out of the chaos of WW1. The revolt was mostly against the British but with anti-Jewish undertones growing stronger through the various stages of the revolt. By the time of the big Arab revolt in 1936, it had gotten so bad and the Arab alliance with the Nazis so obvious that it drove the Jews into alliance with the British. The British officer, Orde Wingate, provided some of the first training for the Jews and is considered one of the founders of the IDF. Then after WW2, the British flipped back to the Arabs and the Jews revolted. First the radicals in the Irgun and LEHI, then the larger community, leading to the establishment of the State of Israel. On Israeli independence day, five Arab armies invaded and proceeded to lose the war. The last battle of the war was an aerial clash between Israelis and British. The ceasefire lines were the border of Israel up until the Six Day War. Egypt controlled Gaza during that period.
Yes, but the anti-Jewish sentiment went back 1,000 years to when Arabs first arrived in the area. It was then stoked by the Ottomon antipathy to all non-Muslims.
Jews had been repressed by Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Greeks and Romans before Arabs or Turks ever showed up.
Excellent explanation Jim & Thank you :)
Roman's booted the Israelites out of Palestine and told them don't come back. You could use a history lesson, son.
You could learn when it's proper to use an apostrophe.
As for history, it's pretty apparent that you're untutored.
Ahh! The apostrophe theory of history. People, this guy is so full of it.
"The apostrophe theory of history" is not a bad line, and I give you credit for it.
When you say that I'm full of it, you're confessing your own poverty of knowledge. In other words, you have no argument. Jim Tragesar, who commented earlier, has a detailed knowledge of the history of the region. I suggest you read his comment.
lol ... amazing to me how the people actually proposing genocide, Hamas - whose founding documents call for the extermination of Jews from the Middle East - manage to imagine themselves the victims, and drag willing anti-Semites along for the ride.
Anyone who opposes Israel's right to exist is both ignorant and a bigot - provably.
Crawl back in your hole.
Amazing to me is how so many throw around the word "genocide" so casually.
Israel may attempt to exterminate everyone associated with Ham-Ass and vice-versa, but it would take a campaign of murder so vast as to extinguish the gene pool of Ham-Ass members and (presumably) all its sympathizers.
The more strident individuals of Israel/Ham-Ass may want to exterminate every last one of the other, but it's a tall order and may take some time. In the interim, everyone can get their self-righteous rocks off and roll in their moral superiority like dogs in carrion.
Lol ... false equivalency is its own uber smug form of moral superiority ...
MY moral superiority comes from an indifference to anything these two factions do to each other. Where do you get yours?
I don't claim a moral superiority, nor certainty. A little self-doubt is usually a good thing.
To Philip Badger (" Anyone supporting Zionism is genocidal, yes)"
You might enlighten yourself by looking up the definition of "genocide". No other country in the world works as hard as Israel to avoid harming civilians. Hamas, on the other hand, delights in Palestinian deaths because that is their plan - live in tunnels underneath innocent people so Israel gets blamed when attacks on Hamas harm the innocents.
And Hamas's actual mission statement explicitly states they wish to wipe out the Jews. THAT is genocide.
https://x.com/hilzfuld/status/1777301113412239442?s=61&t=fN8UTbhYC09iOQHk5jYlpA
That is an idiotic statement. I'm surprised that you are interested in intelligent thought.
So you want to push the Jews into the Med Phillip? In the name of genocide?
As a Jew ..GFY!!
Genocidal? No. Terrorist? Yes!
True. Not all speedy, self-righteous, rodent-like fanatics condone "genocide."
Excellent answer.
I agree, Sasha gave an excellent answer.
The left accuses the right of living in echo chambers, but aggressively cancels anyone who fails to echo the approved corporate media opinions.
You know, that's worth creating a meme:
https://patrick.net/post/1341330/2021-09-17-nicki-minaj-decries-cancel-culture?start=35#comment-2052445
While I agree, excellent answer, why bother with someone too stupid to unsubscribe?
He knows how. He just wrote that to call attention to his moral grandstanding.
I like to read writers I agree with and writers I don't agree with. How else can I learn?
Sasha, thank you for being honest and standing up for what you believe in, whether I agree with you or not. Yours is the first Substack I subscribed to, and I have never regretted it.
I agree completely, and that is why I will leave authors who are intellectually dishonest. I don't have time for that, and no one else should.
Sasha is honest to a fault, and this post proves it.
Yes, most people can detect dishonesty, whether consciously or not. And most people hate dishonesty.
“The mark of an educated mind, is to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”
Aristotle
Nice comeback to the guy who's on the side of rapists & terrorists : HAMAS
I can't support either side in this. It's all horrific. If the US had any moral sense it would step in and stop all of it, make peace, and incentivize both sides to abide by it. SMH.
Funny, there WAS peace, before 10/7.
I wonder what happened to change that day?
I support Israel. Hamas is funded by Iran and terrorists. I can’t even conceive of being on that side of it. Is it horrific for the Palestinian people? Yes. Who did they vote for to run their country? Hamas. Every single peace agreement has been broken by the Palestinians over decades. Their goal is the eradication of all Jews and Israel and they openly say that. The Jews do not say anything like that. And so it’s clear they will never stop, this will go on in perpetuity. Let Israel bomb them into submission.
fully agree
So you’re a child--butchering Zionist? You cheer the mass murder of over 14,000 little kids? Let me know thanks.
First, no one takes reports from the Hamas Ministry of Propaganda seriously.
Second, Israel has done everything it can to avoid civilian deaths. Hamas locates its major operations headquarters among civilians in an attempt to intimidate Israel so it will not attack. But Israel must destroy Hamas, Hamas knows that, and with rare, unintentional exceptions, Hamas and Hamas alone is to blame for civilian casualties.
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Are you a mass rapist that puts babies in ovens?
Are you a witch that lures fat little children into her gingerbread house for supp[er?
It seems that with the left, it's all or nothing. You can't have points where you agree aand other points where you disagree. I couldn't even be married if tthat we had to subscribe to those rules......
“Sad fact: 'social justice progressives' think that if you disagree with them on any one thing, you’re their enemy, while 'new right' types think that if you agree with them on any one thing, you’re their friend.”
Is it really sad.to "friend" individuals that agree with you on an issue important to you? One can dialog with a friend.
Whoosh.
Monolithic ignorance in all its ingloriously outraged inertia. Can't even unsubscribe themselves without instructions.
💋👏 to you
Cheers!
When Hamas slaughtered people in their beds they started a war.
And they hide behind women & children, using our empathy as a weapon against their enemy.
There's only one way to fight this- don't take the bait. It's tragic and inhumane; but that's war.
Why aren't these people out there screaming for a cease fire scream for a surrender? I truly am unable to understand.
I'm also frightened by the unbelievable stupidity of the Hamas supporters.
It isn't stupidity alone, Jim. It's in large part malevolence, and anti - Semitism is always demonic.
IDK WTF is happening.
People I admired are on this anti-Israel bandwagon, willfully ignorant of the abject and total failure of Islam as a religion or as the political movement it actually is.
I mean, we in the West have been intimidated by these fanatics since Salama Rushdie (have you ever seen a comedian riff on that animal Mohammed? There's SOOO much material there!)
But to see that unspoken fear mutate into THIS?
Don't get me wrong- the Jewish people are as screwed up as the Irish as a culture! LOL (Except they can cook!) Or the Italians. Or what-the-fuck ever culture you want to pick on. No better, no worse.
I know Anti-Semitism exists, but JHC...the blatancy of it. It's worse than the worst racism I've ever encountered.
Well, fuck it, and FUCK THEM. Period.
It's cosmic and diabolical.
I'm 72. I remember how exhilarated Americans were by The Six Day War, then in 1976, by the Entebbe raid, which coincided nicely with the Bicentennial. It never would have occurred to me that I would live to see the Dark Age we're in.
If you're a fan of Irish writing, the more wacked, the better, I recommend Flann O'Brien, especially The Best of Myles, but also, The Third Policeman. Raymond Queneau was French, but he pulled off a shamefully enjoyable little farce built around the 1916 Easter Rebellion, We Always Treat Women Too Well.
I'm a tad 'littler' than you! (65) LOL
Honest ta God Bobby, I'm completely blindsided by the anti-semitism. It's a similar experience for me when I woke up in 2015 to how deeply we as a society have been manipulated by MSM.
Except this is about a zillion times more outrageous.
I grew up Catholic, and in the early 70's I saw Fiddler On The Roof; the nuns took us to see it at Loew's American. I can still remember a scene towards the end (and I've only the one time) where Teve is dealing w/ his youngest daughter falling in love w/ a Cossack. All through the film when he dealt w/ his daughters falling in love w/ guys he did this whole thing "...On the other hand..."
In this scene he did the same thing, but stopped dead in his tracks and said 'NO! There is no other hand! No! NO!!" The shot of him rebuking his daughter and turning his back, over 50 years later still shakes me up.
Re Gaza and its apologists...
No. NO!
THERE. IS. NO. OTHER HAND.
I want to make another point (I hope Sasha sees this b/c I'd LOVE her take):
There's sooo much yammering about how w/ every bomb dropped Israel & the West are making more terrorists. Well...
In WW2, the Allies (i.e. the USA) bombed German cities into oblivion. The firestorm of some city comes to mind, and the most cursory look at German cities shows devastation that makes Gaza look like Disney World. THEN we nuked Japan not once, but twice to make a point.
Today, both Germany & Japan are staunch allies of the West.
IDGAF about 'makin' terrorists'.
I think Douglas Murray is right on this matter. I don't know the average age of an October 7 barbarian, but war is a young man's calling, and I doubt many were thirty.
For nineteen years, the "Palestinians" have had Gaza entirely to themselves. But I'm not naive enough to believe Israel has had no intelligence whatever coming out of Gaza.
So, I think Murray has a basis in knowledge when he says that the schooling young Gazans have gotten has been like German education in the 1930s ( my figure of speech ): the schools' priority has been to teach hatred of Jews and, of course, in Gaza, the glory of dying a martyr for Allah.
So, Murray says, they managed to raise a generation of sociopaths. I can't figure a way to deal with them which excludes essentially the annihilation of Hamas.
I think Douglas is one of the few voices who is able to articulate this topic with devastating logic. I'm not sure if it was his feed, but on X I've seen a bunch of posts of young children dressed up as Hamas terrorists 'killing' Jews.
I've been exposed to a lot of Muslim critiques since Oct 7 on X. Ever since 911, I've had this niggling feeling that Islam is NOT a religion as we would define it; it is, in fact a social/political movement aimed squarely at world domination. Since 10/7 I've seen a boatload of analysis that supports my theory. To the degree that I see it as a bigger threat to Western civilization than anything the Russians/Chinese yadda yadda are about.
I feel rather isolated in my opinion: Islam is a cult of personality centered on a deranged man that worships death over life and will gladly rule over the ashes of the West.
You don't have to dig very deep into its dogma to see it either.
This term 'genocide'...it's becoming useless (possibly already there). It's following an already all too common pattern: racist, nazi, misogynist, antisemite, ****-phobe, etc
Perfect response!
Good for you! Thank you for all your work and information.
I miss the days when it was OK to disagree with someone. It was so easy to say "I guess we'll have to agree to disagree" and not lose friends or alienate family. These days we're forced to pick sides under threat of excommunication (aka: cancellation), and I'm not so sure this isn't by design. I feel certain that those manipulating the strings behind the scenes believe the path to retaining power lies in perpetuating an angry, divided population...and we're playing right into their hands.
There was never a Golden Age of discourse harmony. Nobody up until Gen X ever had the illusion of having an "audience" for their personal neuroses and dumb opinions. The rarely published letter to the editor is about the most anyone not trying to write commercially could hope for. This sort of forum and social media in general gives that impression, though.
Hey Christopher, don’t let the Free Thinking virtual door hit your ass on the way out✌🏽😉
I used to run a business with online sales and got so many assholes writing in to tell me my prices were too high or some other compaint so they wouldn't be buying from me. Or when I offered a discount, some would write to complain the discount was so puny, it didn't matter and they wouldn't be bothering to buy from me. I also owned a retail food & bev business and had quite a few customers act like jackasses and then become belligerent when I didn't seem to care about losing their business. Amazing how people think they're so important that they need to tell you what you're "doing wrong" and flounce out.
Right on. It's an act that gets more dramatic when they think they have some kind of audience.
Good riddance.
Oh, and take some time to understand what genocide ,means Christopher.